Affirmative Action

[Seperates]

It's very simple math: 2 wrongs = 1 right.

And I'm sure you would love to explain that to the dozens of applied anthropologists who helped devise a solution to what is primarily a cultural problem.

You know... that didn't require mass execution of bigots or brain-washing.

[Norstal]

Affirmative action itself is discrimination.

It's hypocrisy. I would rather all poor people be helped equally rather than just some people.

Oh well, at least I'll be part of the minority by 2050 so I'll get some benefits.

The last two sentences compliments your first sentence very well. It implies that even affluent minorities aren't discriminated against or that all minorities are poor.

Good jerb.

[Birkinghamia]

Affirmative action itself is discrimination.

Except it's, you know....not.

I mean, ok, I suppose, in the realm of college acceptance, it is "discrimination" in the sense of "we only take people who have good grades and SAT scores" is discrimination. But for some reason, nobody seems to wave the banner of Johnny C- who didn't get into Harvard.

Yes, it is.

It's racially discriminant.

[Norsklow]

Affirmative action itself is discrimination.

Except it's, you know....not.

I mean, ok, I suppose, in the realm of college acceptance, it is "discrimination" in the sense of "we only take people who have good grades and SAT scores" is discrimination. But for some reason, nobody seems to wave the banner of Johnny C- who didn't get into Harvard.

Johnny C- got protected in the pre-SAT days. Lets make darned sure that Johnny C- is shut out for good.

Fairness = the absolute primacy of Meritocracy.

[Birkinghamia]

Affirmative action itself is discrimination.

It's hypocrisy. I would rather all poor people be helped equally rather than just some people.

Oh well, at least I'll be part of the minority by 2050 so I'll get some benefits.

The last two sentences compliments your first sentence very well. It implies that even affluent minorities aren't discriminated against or that all minorities are poor.

Good jerb.

Clearly, that's not what I meant.

Let me clarify:

I think all poor people should be helped, rather than people who are a certain race.

[Seperates]

Except it's, you know....not.

I mean, ok, I suppose, in the realm of college acceptance, it is "discrimination" in the sense of "we only take people who have good grades and SAT scores" is discrimination. But for some reason, nobody seems to wave the banner of Johnny C- who didn't get into Harvard.

Yes, it is.

It's racially discriminant.

Against whom?

[Neo Art]

Except it's, you know....not.

I mean, ok, I suppose, in the realm of college acceptance, it is "discrimination" in the sense of "we only take people who have good grades and SAT scores" is discrimination. But for some reason, nobody seems to wave the banner of Johnny C- who didn't get into Harvard.

Yes, it is.

It's racially discriminant.

Why doesn't anyone think of Poor Johnny C-?

[Birkinghamia]

Yes, it is.

It's racially discriminant.

Against whom?

Against the majority.

[Norstal]

The last two sentences compliments your first sentence very well. It implies that even affluent minorities aren't discriminated against or that all minorities are poor.

Good jerb.

Clearly, that's not what I meant.

Let me clarify:

I think all poor people should be helped, rather than people who are a certain race.

Affirmative action does not consider wealth. It considers sex, gender, race, and ethnicity. So I don't know what the relevance here.

[Cameroi]

It's very simple math: 2 wrongs = 1 right.

close but no ceeegarrr. 2 wrongs = 1 political right wing.

[Norstal]

Against whom?

Against the majority.

I don't think affirmative actions discriminates against the Chinese. >:

[Birkinghamia]

Yes, it is.

It's racially discriminant.

Why doesn't anyone think of Poor Johnny C-?

"Johnny C-" is not entitled to an education that he's not qualified to receive.

[Neo Art]

Except it's, you know....not.

I mean, ok, I suppose, in the realm of college acceptance, it is "discrimination" in the sense of "we only take people who have good grades and SAT scores" is discrimination. But for some reason, nobody seems to wave the banner of Johnny C- who didn't get into Harvard.

Johnny C- got protected in the pre-SAT days. Lets make darned sure that Johnny C- is shut out for good.

Fairness = the absolute primacy of Meritocracy.

I know that you think this is something deep and profound, full of inspiration and thought provoking intuition, but honestly, I gotta level with you here.

This is absofuckinglutly meaningless, and nobody has a single fucking clue what you're trying to say.

[Big Jim P]

True. I don't go slumming.

That's...um...that's not how those words work.

Anyway, to make this little tête-à-tête actually somewhat topical, and not just a continual embarassment for you, I will say, even if I swung that way, there isn't enough affirmative action in the world to make me consider it. Sorry to let ya down. It's just never gonna happen between us.

Embarrassment for me? I am not embarrassed. You are nothing more than a source of amusement.

I do note, that while you ridiculed my initial statement, you posted nothing to refute it.

Edit: Of course that is your normal MO:

Johnny C- got protected in the pre-SAT days. Lets make darned sure that Johnny C- is shut out for good.

Fairness = the absolute primacy of Meritocracy.

I know that you think this is something deep and profound, full of inspiration and thought provoking intuition, but honestly, I gotta level with you here.

This is absofuckinglutly meaningless, and nobody has a single fucking clue what you're trying to say.

[Seperates]

Against whom?

Against the majority.

You mean the priviledged majority? The ones who our culture views as more "refined", more "business-like"? Well... in America at least.

[Neo Art]

Why doesn't anyone think of Poor Johnny C-?

"Johnny C-" is not entitled to an education that he's not qualified to receive.

He's not "qualified"? Someone is deciding he isn't "worth" it? Someone in a room somewhere decides that because of some characteristic of him, he doesn't get to go to Harvard?

Sounds a WHOLE lot like discrimination to me. Weren't you beating that particular drum just a few moments ago?

[Birkinghamia]

Clearly, that's not what I meant.

Let me clarify:

I think all poor people should be helped, rather than people who are a certain race.

Affirmative action does not consider wealth. It considers sex, gender, race, and ethnicity. So I don't know what the relevance here.

Okay, look.

Those groups, regardless of wealth, have an advantage over others. So a poor white male might have more trouble affording a college than a middle class African American woman based on things that have no importance to education.

I think that's unfair.

[Occupied Deutschland]

It's very simple math: 2 wrongs = 1 right.

close but no ceeegarrr. 2 wrongs = 1 political right wing.

I remember those vaguely from my math classes! Aren't they kind've similar to imaginary numbers?

Clearly, that's not what I meant.

Let me clarify:

I think all poor people should be helped, rather than people who are a certain race.

Affirmative action does not consider wealth. It considers sex, gender, race, and ethnicity. So I don't know what the relevance here.

I think he's arguing that it should ONLY consider wealth/income instead of considering sex, race and ethnicity.

Because weighting people greater for what sex, race, or ethnicity they are is all kinds of fucked up.

[Birkinghamia]

Against the majority.

You mean the priviledged majority? The ones who our culture views as more "refined", more "business-like"? Well... in America at least.

White =\= privileged.

[Neo Art]

You mean the priviledged majority? The ones who our culture views as more "refined", more "business-like"? Well... in America at least.

White =\= privileged.

Of fucking course it does.

[Charellia]

The government should be forced to disregard race in all laws and policies. Only then will everybody get fair treatment.

[Norsklow]

Johnny C- got protected in the pre-SAT days. Lets make darned sure that Johnny C- is shut out for good.

Fairness = the absolute primacy of Meritocracy.

I know that you think this is something deep and profound, full of inspiration and thought provoking intuition, but honestly, I gotta level with you here.

This is absofuckinglutly meaningless, and nobody has a single fucking clue what you're trying to say.

In simpler
let the best man or woman always gain the victory -

[Occupied Deutschland]

Against the majority.

I don't think affirmative actions discriminates against the Chinese. >:

Actually according to a brief perusal of wiki it pretty negatively discriminates against the Chinese's (well, Asians in general...)

[Seperates]

Affirmative action does not consider wealth. It considers sex, gender, race, and ethnicity. So I don't know what the relevance here.

Okay, look.

Those groups, regardless of wealth, have an advantage over others. So a poor white male might have more trouble affording a college than a middle class African American woman based on things that have no importance to education.

I think that's unfair.

Why? Because a white male was unable to figure out how to apply for government aid?

[Seperates]

You mean the priviledged majority? The ones who our culture views as more "refined", more "business-like"? Well... in America at least.

White =\= privileged.

Speaking as a white male... yes. Yes it does.