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Fighter4u wrote:Then why not start lobbying it to be over turned right now instead of waiting for the relgioious groups to gain power and stop that from happening?

Fighter4u wrote:Then why not start lobbying it to be over turned right now instead of waiting for the relgioious groups to gain power and stop that from happening?

Barfobulville wrote:Here's your problem: Religious groups aren't the only ones who want to stop abortion. There are also unaffiliated people who think unnecessary abortions (those being discussed here) are just that, unnecessary.

Saint Jade IV wrote: They have no right to claim authority over a woman's body.

Saint Jade IV wrote:http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25578293-3102,00.html

Under Queensland law, it is still illegal to obtain an abortion except in cases of medical necessity. While this is the case, generally abortions are obtainable and the law is overlooked. However, it does seem that this will cease as more and more religious groups gain political influence. It makes me sad as a female and a human to see women denied the right to access a safe, effective and non-invasive method to obtain an abortion.

Saint Jade IV wrote:And they have every right to think that. But they don't have a right to have those opinions enshrined in law. They have no right to claim authority over a woman's body.

SaintB wrote:Is Queensland like the outback of the Outback? Sort of like the Bible Belt in the USA?

SaintB wrote:Is Queensland like the outback of the Outback? Sort of like the Bible Belt in the USA?

Barfobulville wrote:The woman has no right to claim authority over the baby's body.

82 Eridani wrote:A foetus is not a baby.

Saint Jade IV wrote:Under Queensland law, it is still illegal to obtain an abortion except in cases of medical necessity. While this is the case, generally abortions are obtainable and the law is overlooked. However, it does seem that this will cease as more and more religious groups gain political influence.

Barfobulville wrote:The woman has no right to claim authority over the baby's body.
Devil's advocate.

Maximus Corporation wrote:Maybe she should have used protection?

Barfobulville wrote:

82 Eridani wrote:A foetus is not a baby.

It will be.

Triniteras wrote:You are not obligated to have your body used to support the life of another entity.

Triniteras wrote:Protections is not fail safe. And this is completely irrelevant.

SaintB wrote:Just because something will be does not mean it is. A ball of amorphous cells with no cognitive functions or awareness is not a human being.

Blouman Empire wrote:

Saint Jade IV wrote:http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25578293-3102,00.html

Under Queensland law, it is still illegal to obtain an abortion except in cases of medical necessity. While this is the case, generally abortions are obtainable and the law is overlooked. However, it does seem that this will cease as more and more religious groups gain political influence. It makes me sad as a female and a human to see women denied the right to access a safe, effective and non-invasive method to obtain an abortion.

I'm pretty sure that the federal law says it is legal.

If this is so then Queensland law is already overruled.

As for "religious groups" gaining influence, you really shouldn't worry about it, we are not the US. We have a different mentality as well as a far lower regualr church attendence.

Of course it would be horrible if those religious groups influence in lobbying the government help out those living under the poverty line more as well as saying that the government should treat illegal immigrants with a bit more respect.

Australian Parliamentary Library Website wrote:In each State and Territory, the law provides that the crime of unlawful abortion is punishable by lengthy periods of imprisonment. In Victoria the penalty is five years' imprisonment for both the woman and the abortionist and one year's imprisonment for supplying or procuring anything to assist. In New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory the penalty is ten years' imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and five years for supplying or procuring. In South Australia the penalty is life imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. In the Northern Territory the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for all parties. In Tasmania the penalty for all involved is 21 years' imprisonment and/or a fine as determined by the court. In Queensland (and until recently in Western Australia) the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for the woman, 14 years for the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. Changes to the law in Western Australia have replaced these penalties with a fine of $50 000 where the abortionist is a qualified medical practitioner, and a penalty of five years' imprisonment where the abortionist is not. A woman on whom an unlawful abortion is performed is no longer subject to any legal punishment in Western Australia.

Barfobulville wrote:You aren't obligated per se, but it would be pretty cruel to let someone die just for your own convenience.

Maximus Corporation wrote:No, actually it's not. She has a right to control her body away from sex or use protection if she doesn't want a kid.

Maximus Corporation wrote:This is the same argument used to tell men they have to pay child support to kids they don't want and were lied to by the mother.

Saint Jade IV wrote:I am well aware of our apathy towards religion as a people. However, politically, due to Aussie attitudes like, "She'll be right mate" creating a politically apathetic population, religious groups are gaining ground in influencing policy.

Australian Parliamentary Library Website wrote:In each State and Territory, the law provides that the crime of unlawful abortion is punishable by lengthy periods of imprisonment. In Victoria the penalty is five years' imprisonment for both the woman and the abortionist and one year's imprisonment for supplying or procuring anything to assist. In New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory the penalty is ten years' imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and five years for supplying or procuring. In South Australia the penalty is life imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. In the Northern Territory the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for all parties. In Tasmania the penalty for all involved is 21 years' imprisonment and/or a fine as determined by the court. In Queensland (and until recently in Western Australia) the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for the woman, 14 years for the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. Changes to the law in Western Australia have replaced these penalties with a fine of $50 000 where the abortionist is a qualified medical practitioner, and a penalty of five years' imprisonment where the abortionist is not. A woman on whom an unlawful abortion is performed is no longer subject to any legal punishment in Western Australia.

So it is a crime in Queensland. Unless to save the life of the mother. Which is the issue at stake. Noone has been prosecuted for a good long time, so nobody saw a reason to change the law. Now it may be too late.

Triniteras wrote:But not obligation.