Fear of prosecution denies Australian women rights

[Dempublicents1]

A child undeniably needs someone to care for him, and we as a society have decided that the default caregivers - those who are responsible for the child unless something else is done - are the biological parents.

I don't think "society" really consciously decided that.

Consciously? Maybe not. But it is the way society tends to view it - and it has thus been enshrined in law.

[Poliwanacraca]

Consent to having sex is not consenting to have a child.

Actually, sex without birth control pretty much IS consenting to have a child. Otherwise you would have birth control.

And riding in a car without a seat belt IS consenting to die in an accident. Otherwise you would have a seat belt. ERs should clearly deny all treatment to people who weren't wearing seat belts.

[Triniteras]

Consciously? Maybe not. But it is the way society tends to view it

So what?

If one's future status decides how one should be treated, newborns should be able to vote and burying people alive should be entirely acceptable.

I can use this as my signature, right?

[Allanea]

Even if someone believes (as I do) that late-term abortion is morally doubtful, there's no real grounds for banning abortion at the first week of the pregnancy.

[Poliwanacraca]

I can use this as my signature, right?

Heh, sure.

[Blouman Empire]

Sex is NOT similar to cosmetic surgery. It is a normal and necessary social, human behavior(the amount thereof varying, dependent on drive). People should NOT be penalized for having sex as a social behavior. With that said, I do think that it has been elevated culturally to abnormally high levels.

What you are saying has no bearing on what I said or what the other poster said

I are confuses

[Blouman Empire]

Excuse me for being open-minded and capable of shifting my views based on new information. I know that's completely unheard of around here.

Hahaha, with that sort of attitude you aren't good enough to be on NSG, you sir are a noob.

[Allanea]

Sex is NOT similar to cosmetic surgery. It is a normal and necessary social, human behavior(the amount thereof varying, dependent on drive). People should NOT be penalized for having sex as a social behavior. With that said, I do think that it has been elevated culturally to abnormally high levels.

Are you implying that people should be penalized for having cosmetic surgery?

[Australian Labor Party]

I am well aware of our apathy towards religion as a people. However, politically, due to Aussie attitudes like, "She'll be right mate" creating a politically apathetic population, religious groups are gaining ground in influencing policy.

Which is why I doubt that they will get much influence, remember this is an old law not one that is being debated in the one house of Queensland's parliament.

In each State and Territory, the law provides that the crime of unlawful abortion is punishable by lengthy periods of imprisonment. In Victoria the penalty is five years' imprisonment for both the woman and the abortionist and one year's imprisonment for supplying or procuring anything to assist. In New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory the penalty is ten years' imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and five years for supplying or procuring. In South Australia the penalty is life imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. In the Northern Territory the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for all parties. In Tasmania the penalty for all involved is 21 years' imprisonment and/or a fine as determined by the court. In Queensland (and until recently in Western Australia) the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for the woman, 14 years for the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. Changes to the law in Western Australia have replaced these penalties with a fine of $50 000 where the abortionist is a qualified medical practitioner, and a penalty of five years' imprisonment where the abortionist is not. A woman on whom an unlawful abortion is performed is no longer subject to any legal punishment in Western Australia.

So it is a crime in Queensland. Unless to save the life of the mother. Which is the issue at stake. Noone has been prosecuted for a good long time, so nobody saw a reason to change the law. Now it may be too late.

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This is seriously wrong information. Abortion was decriminalised in Victoria late last year.

[Gauntleted Fist]

This is seriously wrong information. Abortion was decriminalised in Victoria late last year.

And nobody even bothered to double-check, for shame.

[Blouman Empire]

This is seriously wrong information. Abortion was decriminalised in Victoria late last year.

And nobody even bothered to double-check, for shame.

What is NSG coming to?

But then ALP still needs to provide a source

[Gauntleted Fist]

What is NSG coming to?

But then ALP still needs to provide a source

Linky.

[Saint Jade IV]

I am well aware of our apathy towards religion as a people. However, politically, due to Aussie attitudes like, "She'll be right mate" creating a politically apathetic population, religious groups are gaining ground in influencing policy.

Which is why I doubt that they will get much influence, remember this is an old law not one that is being debated in the one house of Queensland's parliament.

In each State and Territory, the law provides that the crime of unlawful abortion is punishable by lengthy periods of imprisonment. In Victoria the penalty is five years' imprisonment for both the woman and the abortionist and one year's imprisonment for supplying or procuring anything to assist. In New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory the penalty is ten years' imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and five years for supplying or procuring. In South Australia the penalty is life imprisonment for the woman and the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. In the Northern Territory the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for all parties. In Tasmania the penalty for all involved is 21 years' imprisonment and/or a fine as determined by the court. In Queensland (and until recently in Western Australia) the penalty is seven years' imprisonment for the woman, 14 years for the abortionist, and three years for supplying or procuring. Changes to the law in Western Australia have replaced these penalties with a fine of $50 000 where the abortionist is a qualified medical practitioner, and a penalty of five years' imprisonment where the abortionist is not. A woman on whom an unlawful abortion is performed is no longer subject to any legal punishment in Western Australia.

So it is a crime in Queensland. Unless to save the life of the mother. Which is the issue at stake. Noone has been prosecuted for a good long time, so nobody saw a reason to change the law. Now it may be too late.

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This is seriously wrong information. Abortion was decriminalised in Victoria late last year.

Then you need to take it up with the Parliamentary library. I got the off the government website. Don't blame my sources. It's the government's fault.

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp01.htm

I did read the wiki article on abortion law in Australia. I was mainly focussed on Queensland law since that is most relevant to the topic.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Then you need to take it up with the Parliamentary library. I got the off the government website. Don't blame my sources. It's the government's fault.

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp01.htm

I did read the wiki article on abortion law in Australia. I was mainly focussed on Queensland law since that is most relevant to the topic.

Last reviewed 27 September 2001 by the Parliamentary Library Web Manager

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[Allanea]

Someone almost literally needs to enter the 21st century already.

[Saint Jade IV]

Then you need to take it up with the Parliamentary library. I got the off the government website. Don't blame my sources. It's the government's fault.

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp01.htm

I did read the wiki article on abortion law in Australia. I was mainly focussed on Queensland law since that is most relevant to the topic.

Last reviewed 27 September 2001 by the Parliamentary Library Web Manager

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Well gosh jeez. I found this in between writing report cards and speaking assessments. I didn't check the date. The info on QLD is still relevant though.

[UNIverseVERSE]

You aren't obligated per se, but it would be pretty cruel to let someone die just for your own convenience.

So you're signed up as an organ donor, volunteer for medical training, always go out of your way to help people, and donate blood as often as you possibly can? No? How cruel of you to let someone die for your own convenience.

Nobody has the right to use the body of another as a life support machine. If I am critically injured, I don't have the right to demand someone else is wired up to me, to let their heart pump my blood. That person might do it, out of the kindness of their heart, but they always have the right to withdraw from it, even if that will result in my death. Similarly, the fetus has no right to use the body of the mother to support its life -- she may do so if she wishes, but she may always withdraw her consent.

[Bears Armed]

Is Queensland like the outback of the Outback? Sort of like the Bible Belt in the USA?

One Australian whom i used to know called it "the Deep North"...

[Errinundera]

Queensland doesn't have daylight savings in summer. There's an old joke: Queensland, one hour and twenty years behind.

In fairness, since the demise of the very retarded Bjelke-Petersen government in the late eighties, Queensland has become much more progressive.

[Blouman Empire]

Queensland doesn't have daylight savings in summer. There's an old joke: Queensland, one hour and twenty years behind.

Heh I live in SA how do you think I feel?

Half an hour and 30 years behind.

[Allanea]

Queensland doesn't have daylight savings in summer. There's an old joke: Queensland, one hour and twenty years behind.

Perhaps, with your Awesome Political Pull, you can arrange an Australian Citizenship for me?

[am joking, you would have to pay me to live in Australia]

[Blouman Empire]

Perhaps, with your Awesome Political Pull, you can arrange an Australian Citizenship for me?

[am joking, you would have to pay me to live in Australia]

Why? What you got against the lucky country?

[Allanea]

My life ambition is to eventually move to the United States. As such, no sum of money will persuade me to live elsewhere.

I would quite prefer to be a mailman in Texas than a professor in Israel.

[Mihtarlam 365]

Which is why I doubt that they will get much influence, remember this is an old law not one that is being debated in the one house of Queensland's parliament.


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This is seriously wrong information. Abortion was decriminalised in Victoria late last year.

This was wrong

[Bear Stearns]

he shoots, he scores!