Anti-Americanism on NationStates

[Britannic Realms]

Let's see, shall we?

One of the things I have noticed on the NS forums is that anti-americanism seems to be very rampant. I have seen a lot of posters post things like "I hate America" and "Americans are crazy". And in addition to that I saw a poll on a thread about what people think the worst thing about America is and most people selected the option that the problem is the Americans. I don't understand why there is all of this America bashing here.

Because some Americans are really very arrogant and claim to have saved the world millions upon millions of times.

The United States is the greatest country there is.

Nope. There is not a 'greatest country'.

Most other free nations based their constitutions off ours,

Magna Carta - 1215
Bill of Rights - 1689
Habeas Corpus Act 1679
Petition of Right - 1628
US Constitution - 1776

if it wasn't for us then it is very likely that most or all of Europe and Asia would be under the control of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

No. You forget the power that was the Soviet Union and it was pretty much impossible for the Nazis to invade Britain.

It was American humanitarian aid that helped put Europe back on it's feet after the war.

I won't deny that.

We are also the ones that thwarted North Koreas attempt to conquer South Korea.

So Britain, France, Australia, UN did nothing?

We are the ones who led the free world to victory in the Cold War.

See above and add West Germany.

When it comes to giving aid to other countries in need it is America that is the most generous. We give several times more humanitarian aid and money to poor nations than any other country.

Mmm, perhaps because you have more money?

We have the third largest population, third largest land area, largest economy, and the most powerful military.

What does that count for? It just means that America has a lot of land and natural resources.

I admit that America does have it's flaws but as President William Clinton said "there is nothing wrong in America that can't be fixed with what is right in America".

Cecil Rhodes said, "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life." So just because Cecil Rhodes said it, does that mean the British are the superior country? Nope.

Every country has it's flaws and home countries of these anti-americans atre surely no exception. So tell me this. Why is anti-americanism so rampant here?

See above.

[North Calaveras]

I can open a book and get the same frame of reference.

It's one thing reading about the generalities of totalitarianism, and entirely another hearing or reading personal stories about it.

It's not only my parents. I've read personal accounts of life in a lot of totalitarian regimes, not just Eastern Europe. I think it's not far-fetched to say that this means I have a better perspective of what is totalitarianism.

Therefore, using the Potter Stewart standard, I know totalitarianism when I see it. Hate speech laws aren't it.

" I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women? By your logic(and the UK laws posted earlier) they could arrest this person and just bullshit there way and interpret it a threat to the state.

[Socialdemokraterne]

I'D LIKE TO INTERRUPT THIS DISCUSSION TO PROCLAIM THE DOMINANCE OF THE GLORIOUS CANADIAN STATE AND TO RENOUNCE THE SOVEREIGNTY ALL OF GOVERNMENTS OF THE LESSER AMERICAS WHO DARE OPPOSE THE MIGHT OF THE NORTH.
That's all~! <3<3<3

Nej! Danmark er det bedst land!

Seriously, there's no such thing as a "better" country.

[North Calaveras]

No it does not, just cause your daddy says it and you love him dosn't change it, you just are more emotionally attached, that dosn't make it any more right or wrong.

I would agree if we were talking about general Soviet foreign/economic policy, as that had little direct bearing on your standard citizen. But we're talking about laws which affected everyone's day to day lives, and hearing someone's experiences on that helps you to understand what totalitarianism is.

Ive read atricles, seen interviews on television, there is NO DIFFERENCE except one is that im standing with the person face to face.

[Martean]

But hearing the story from a personal perspective makes you understand the situation far more than, -insert soviet state here-'s oppressive laws weren't nice.

No it does not, just cause your daddy says it and you love him dosn't change it, you just are more emotionally attached, that dosn't make it any more right or wrong.

No. Becouse he can tell you things history books cant, or dont want to, thanks to him i had a 10 in the units of francoidt spain (he was seeing ne studing and said: oh! This is incorrect and bla, i knew very well the temary but in the exam i remembered many things thanks to his anecdotes)

[North Calaveras]

No it does not, just cause your daddy says it and you love him dosn't change it, you just are more emotionally attached, that dosn't make it any more right or wrong.

No. Becouse he can tell you things history books cant, or dont want to, thanks to him i had a 10 in the units of francoidt spain (he was seeing ne studing and said: oh! This is incorrect and bla, i knew very well the temary but in the exam i remembered many things thanks to his anecdotes)

So you believe him cause he said it was incorrect?

[The Nuclear Fist]

" I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women? By your logic(and the UK laws posted earlier) they could arrest this person and just bullshit there way and interpret it a threat to the state.

No, they couldn't. Dislike of something does not constitute a clear and present threat to another person.

[Priory Academy USSR]

It's one thing reading about the generalities of totalitarianism, and entirely another hearing or reading personal stories about it.

It's not only my parents. I've read personal accounts of life in a lot of totalitarian regimes, not just Eastern Europe. I think it's not far-fetched to say that this means I have a better perspective of what is totalitarianism.

Therefore, using the Potter Stewart standard, I know totalitarianism when I see it. Hate speech laws aren't it.

" I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women? By your logic(and the UK laws posted earlier) they could arrest this person and just bullshit there way and interpret it a threat to the state.

Britain-They could arrest them, but a court would have to pass a judgement, and as the courts shouldn't be influenced by the state, that person should be proved innocent of all crimes as he/she wasn't inciting anything.

Totalitarian regime-you disagree with us, you're going away for a long, long time. The end.

[North Calaveras]

" I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women? By your logic(and the UK laws posted earlier) they could arrest this person and just bullshit there way and interpret it a threat to the state.

No, they couldn't. Dislike of something does not constitute a clear and present threat to another person.

Dosn't matter, they can interpret that way according to the law, they can just BS and say it's a veiled threat to the security of the state. That's what I would do If I was dictator of a totalitarian state.

[Fellmarch]

To the Original Poster of this thread:

1)Learn some fucking history.
2) you put forward your complaint like a pretentious ass, this has probably earned you some hate
3) learn some actual statistics and provide actual evidence to support your claims
4) stop claiming your country is the best and the first at everything, it isn't.
5) best military in the world? maybe, more efficient military in the world? most definitely not, 40% of the money you put into your military gets lost in the system of processing it.
6) as for the constitution... yeah... learn some history.

Thank you.

[North Calaveras]

" I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women? By your logic(and the UK laws posted earlier) they could arrest this person and just bullshit there way and interpret it a threat to the state.

Britain-They could arrest them, but a court would have to pass a judgement, and as the courts shouldn't be influenced by the state, that person should be proved innocent of all crimes as he/she wasn't inciting anything.

Totalitarian regime-you disagree with us, you're going away for a long, long time. The end.

the mere fact that they would arrest the person over something so vague is disturbing enough.

[Martean]

No. Becouse he can tell you things history books cant, or dont want to, thanks to him i had a 10 in the units of francoidt spain (he was seeing ne studing and said: oh! This is incorrect and bla, i knew very well the temary but in the exam i remembered many things thanks to his anecdotes)

So you believe him cause he said it was incorrect?

It was, the book was wrong, and not even the teatcher had noticed it, the political party of the franquism eas FET de las JONS and the book said: Falange española de las JONS , and from that he told me his life

[North Calaveras]

So you believe him cause he said it was incorrect?

It was, the book was wrong, and not even the teatcher had noticed it, the political party of the franquism eas FET de las JONS and the book said: Falange española de las JONS , and from that he told me his life

and this was proven?

(to be honest im not surprised text books can be biased reading)

[The Nuclear Fist]

Dosn't matter, they can interpret that way according to the law,

No, they couldn't.

they can just BS and say it's a veiled threat to the security of the state.

No, they couldn't. I'd love seeing a source that says they could, though.

That's what I would do If I was dictator of a totalitarian state.

It's a good thing that hate speech laws aren't typical of totalitarian states, then.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Britain-They could arrest them, but a court would have to pass a judgement, and as the courts shouldn't be influenced by the state, that person should be proved innocent of all crimes as he/she wasn't inciting anything.

Totalitarian regime-you disagree with us, you're going away for a long, long time. The end.

the mere fact that they would arrest the person over something so vague is disturbing enough.

That's probably an exxageration, but even if they did, the victim could sue the government's ass off and get a huge media backlash for arresting a random citizen, severely hitting the government's poll ratings for the next election. So I don't think they'll be trying it any time soon.

[North Calaveras]

Dosn't matter, they can interpret that way according to the law,

No, they couldn't.

they can just BS and say it's a veiled threat to the security of the state.

No, they couldn't. I'd love seeing a source that says they could, though.

That's what I would do If I was dictator of a totalitarian state.

It's a good thing that hate speech laws aren't typical of totalitarian states, then.

really? so showing hate speech against government officials wouldn't be against the law in totalitarian states?

[Republic of Liberty and Freedom]

I'D LIKE TO INTERRUPT THIS DISCUSSION TO PROCLAIM THE DOMINANCE OF THE GLORIOUS CANADIAN STATE AND TO RENOUNCE THE SOVEREIGNTY ALL OF GOVERNMENTS OF THE LESSER AMERICAS WHO DARE OPPOSE THE MIGHT OF THE NORTH.
That's all~! <3<3<3

Nej! Danmark er det bedst land!

Seriously, there's no such thing as a "better" country.

True it shouldnt be case of my dad has a better car then your dad etcetc....But the US has the worst foreign policy in the western world, followed closely by Britain, France, Norway and smaller members of Nato who basically tag along to US sponsored Bomb-a-thons.

[Zaras]

"I think the government sucks balls and wish it was differen't"

what to stop the government from arressting that man/women?

The fact that it's not an incitement to any sort of crime. Voting isn't a crime.

Now, the fucked up thing is, technically advocating that the UK become a republic is illegal, but the law isn't enforced. It still needs to be removed though, it's quite embarrassing. Much like the UK's libel laws.

[North Calaveras]

the mere fact that they would arrest the person over something so vague is disturbing enough.

That's probably an exxageration, but even if they did, the victim could sue the government's ass off and get a huge media backlash for arresting a random citizen, severely hitting the government's poll ratings for the next election. So I don't think they'll be trying it any time soon.

Hey, I'm just saying they can do it, whether or not it lives up in court.

[Martean]

It was, the book was wrong, and not even the teatcher had noticed it, the political party of the franquism eas FET de las JONS and the book said: Falange española de las JONS , and from that he told me his life

and this was proven?

(to be honest im not surprised text books can be biased reading)

Yes, it was proven, wikipedia, news, dictionaries...

[Valhallion]

I still think those American sheep are pulling the wool over our eyes

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

The best of america is something you can rally most rational people around.

Free speech

Although most Americans seem to think so, free speech is not something unique to America. Free speech in America is actually not as free as you'd think, and not as free as in a lot of other countries.

Freedom of and from religion

Again, nothing unique about that. We've got freedom of and from religion in a lot of countries. And in a lot of countries, it doesn't influence politics and the media as much as it does in America.

A Democratic government

A not very well-functioning democracy, by Western standards, that is. And a generally quite corrupt political scene.

[Priory Academy USSR]

That's probably an exxageration, but even if they did, the victim could sue the government's ass off and get a huge media backlash for arresting a random citizen, severely hitting the government's poll ratings for the next election. So I don't think they'll be trying it any time soon.

Hey, I'm just saying they can do it, whether or not it lives up in court.

The USA can put you in Guatamano Bay for months without trial too. One non exercised right does not turn Britain into a oppressive regime. And if you're counting all non-exercised rights, you should be complaining about the Queen, really. She can choose not to pass any laws.

[Zaras]

really? so showing hate speech against government officials wouldn't be against the law in totalitarian states?

Hate speech laws don't exist in totalitarian states, smart guy.

[North Calaveras]

Hey, I'm just saying they can do it, whether or not it lives up in court.

The USA can put you in Guatamano Bay for months without trial too. One non exercised right does not turn Britain into a oppressive regime. And if you're counting all non-exercised rights, you should be complaining about the Queen, really. She can choose not to pass any laws.

I'm not counting them all, just this particular one.