Anti-Americanism on NationStates

[Martean]

Instead of saying in your post "America is the best" "greatest country in the world" (this is what your post says in generall) you should let people who don't oike america think what they want. Don't try to brainwash us, we the europeans know how america is, and it's not true we hate you, it's just that not everyone agrees with you, indeed, maybe more people (in Spain) are more proud of america that with Spain. And it is that a problem?

No.

[North Calaveras]

One of the things I have noticed on the NS forums is that anti-americanism seems to be very rampant. I have seen a lot of posters post things like "I hate America" and "Americans are crazy". And in addition to that I saw a poll on a thread about what people think the worst thing about America is and most people selected the option that the problem is the Americans. I don't understand why there is all of this America bashing here. The United States is the greatest country there is. Most other free nations based their constitutions off ours, if it wasn't for us then it is very likely that most or all of Europe and Asia would be under the control of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan. It was American humanitarian aid that helped put Europe back on it's feet after the war. We are also the ones that thwarted North Koreas attempt to conquer South Korea. We are the ones who led the free world to victory in the Cold War. When it comes to giving aid to other countries in need it is America that is the most generous. We give several times more humanitarian aid and money to poor nations than any other country. We have the third largest population, third largest land area, largest economy, and the most powerful military. I admit that America does have it's flaws but as President William Clinton said "there is nothing wrong in America that can't be fixed with what is right in America". Every country has it's flaws and home countries of these anti-americans atre surely no exception. So tell me this. Why is anti-americanism so rampant here?

I'm an American and can tell you we are NOT the best, or most free nation there is. I love America and wish we were, but since the early 80's we have been slipping gradually, because of extreme conservative policies. In the 40s we WERE the greatest, as we had FDR's new deal to spur economic growth. Our civil liberties record has become a DISGRACE, with 5% of the worlds population and 1/4th of its prison population.

We can be the best, but in order for that to happen we need to slide our political compass to the left. It won't be an easy fix, but politicians/even so called "liberals" aren't driving us in that direction. It's very sad, but to not acknowledge our problems and still waiving the #1 finger looks, and is stupid to the rest of the world.

Going down hill because of extreme conservative policys? America is more liberal now than it's entire history what are you talking about?

[Xanixi]

Instead of saying in your post "America is the best" "greatest country in the world" (this is what your post says in generall) you should let people who don't oike america think what they want. Don't try to brainwash us, we the europeans know how america is, and it's not true we hate you, it's just that not everyone agrees with you, indeed, maybe more people (in Spain) are more proud of america that with Spain. And it is that a problem?

No.

Eh, mate, try not to generalise us.

[Shadowlandistan]

I'm an American and can tell you we are NOT the best, or most free nation there is. I love America and wish we were, but since the early 80's we have been slipping gradually, because of extreme conservative policies. In the 40s we WERE the greatest, as we had FDR's new deal to spur economic growth. Our civil liberties record has become a DISGRACE, with 5% of the worlds population and 1/4th of its prison population.

We can be the best, but in order for that to happen we need to slide our political compass to the left. It won't be an easy fix, but politicians/even so called "liberals" aren't driving us in that direction. It's very sad, but to not acknowledge our problems and still waiving the #1 finger looks, and is stupid to the rest of the world.

Going down hill because of extreme conservative policys? America is more liberal now than it's entire history what are you talking about?

Haha, hardly. We have been moving so far to the right, that many Dems are now conservatives, and conservatives have gone WAY to the right of even Reagan.

[Kriss]

-snip-

Learn to use tags properly, then we'll talk.

Scathing retort.

[Zaras]

but as a nation I don't belief the deserve as much grief as they get.

Yes they fucking do deserve it. In fact, they deserve more.

[Kriss]

but as a nation I don't belief the deserve as much grief as they get.

Yes they fucking do deserve it. In fact, they deserve more.

Sometimes your wife just needs a good beating, with a stick no thicker than your thumb mind you.. any larger and there will be hell to pay.

[North Calaveras]

Going down hill because of extreme conservative policys? America is more liberal now than it's entire history what are you talking about?

Haha, hardly. We have been moving so far to the right, that many Dems are now conservatives, and conservatives have gone WAY to the right of even Reagan.

explain yourself, we got rid of DADT, Obama won the election, immigration enforcement is lax etc etc

I don't see how were more conservative now than we were before.

[Zaras]

Sometimes your wife just needs a good beating, with a stick no thicker than your thumb mind you.. any larger and there will be hell to pay.

Oh fuck that noise. Violence is never the answer. Don't bring up domestic abuse here when I'm talking about human rights violations. You fucking disgust me.

[Zaras]

I don't see how were more conservative now than we were before.

The 1996 welfare "reforms".

[Divair]

Yes they fucking do deserve it. In fact, they deserve more.

Sometimes your wife just needs a good beating, with a stick no thicker than your thumb mind you.. any larger and there will be hell to pay.

I hope this is a bad joke.

[Kriss]

Sometimes your wife just needs a good beating, with a stick no thicker than your thumb mind you.. any larger and there will be hell to pay.

I hope this is a bad joke.

Yeah, it was a pretty good joke actually.. for those of us that aren't mentally disabled.

[Divair]

I hope this is a bad joke.

Yeah, it was a pretty good joke actually.. for those of us that aren't mentally disabled.

It was actually a horrible joke.

[Nadkor]

Whats so bad about Saudi Arabia?

I live driving. In Saudi Arabia I would not be permitted to do so, and I would have only limited access to public transport.

In Saudi Arabia my father would be my guardian and would exercise control over many areas of my life, including but not limited to marriage, divorce, travel, education, obtaining an identity card, and opening a bank account.

In Saudi Arabia I would not be permitted to come into contact, verbal or physical, or socialise with a man I was not related to.

In Saudi Arabia I would be barred from many, if not most, areas of employment, including (but absolutely not limited to) the judiciary and high public office. I would be barred from many public spaces.

In Saudi Arabia I would be required to bring 6 male character witnesses to court in order to buy or sell property. I would not be permitted to own land.

If I was raped in Saudi Arabia I would face a strong possibility of being punished myself.

In Saudi Arabia were I to get married the marriage contract would be between my fiancée and my father. My husband could divorce me for no reason, but I would need his permission to divorce him.

In Saudi Arabia I would not be permitted to testify in a criminal trial, and in other trials my evidence would be worth half that of a man's.

In parts of Saudi Arabia I would be required to cover all of my body except for a slit to allow me to see.

These, inter alia, are some of the problems I have with Saudi Arabia

[Martean]

Haha, hardly. We have been moving so far to the right, that many Dems are now conservatives, and conservatives have gone WAY to the right of even Reagan.

explain yourself, we got rid of DADT, Obama won the election, immigration enforcement is lax etc etc

I don't see how were more conservative now than we were before.

Compared with the rest of the world, yes.

[Nadkor]

I hope this is a bad joke.

Yeah, it was a pretty good joke actually.. for those of us that aren't mentally disabled.

It was not. Spousal abuse is not a funny topic of discussion.

[North Calaveras]

explain yourself, we got rid of DADT, Obama won the election, immigration enforcement is lax etc etc

I don't see how were more conservative now than we were before.

Compared with the rest of the world, yes.

That's compared to the rest of the world

[Kriss]

Yeah, it was a pretty good joke actually.. for those of us that aren't mentally disabled.

It was not. Spousal abuse is not a funny topic of discussion.

Technically, its not abuse as its legal there.

/shrug

And the joke was to illustrate how insane the place is, there is a legal limit to the thickness of what you can, LEGALLY beat err I mean "discipline" a woman with.

[Yankee Empire]

Self defeating mental paradigm never solved anything.

No, I'm correct. Fighting against, and to save, a people that treat any alternative and new idea as high treason and blasphemy is a moronic and perverse endeavor. I can't blame thousands of Americans for feeling isolated from such cretins and I wouldn't dissuade them from ditching the poor hand they were dealt.

Let them stand for themselves.

I don't know whether to be happy or saddened that my ideological opponents have no fight in them...

[Divair]

It was not. Spousal abuse is not a funny topic of discussion.

Technically, its not abuse as its legal there.

/shrug

And the joke was to illustrate how insane the place is, there is a legal limit to the thickness of what you can, LEGALLY beat err I mean "discipline" a woman with.

Just because it's legal in some backwards areas of the planet does not disqualify it from being abuse.

[Martean]

Compared with the rest of the world, yes.

That's compared to the rest of the world

But as being liberal or conservative is something abstract and you need to compare with other people in order to know if you are liberal, conservative, anarchirt... We can say that the US is more conservative.

[North Calaveras]

That's compared to the rest of the world

But as being liberal or conservative is something abstract and you need to compare with other people in order to know if you are liberal, conservative, anarchirt... We can say that the US is more conservative.

I don't know there are some things European nations do that don't seem very liberal, like limiting free speech(im not talking about yelling fire in a theatre either) as well as harsh gun laws.

[Zaras]

But as being liberal or conservative is something abstract and you need to compare with other people in order to know if you are liberal, conservative, anarchirt... We can say that the US is more conservative.

I don't know there are some things European nations do that don't seem very liberal, like limiting free speech(im not talking about yelling fire in a theatre either) as well as harsh gun laws.

And yet European countries tend to do better at democracy than the USA, and have low levels of gun crime.

[Nadkor]

But as being liberal or conservative is something abstract and you need to compare with other people in order to know if you are liberal, conservative, anarchirt... We can say that the US is more conservative.

I don't know there are some things European nations do that don't seem very liberal, like limiting free speech(im not talking about yelling fire in a theatre either)

Specify.

[North Calaveras]

I don't know there are some things European nations do that don't seem very liberal, like limiting free speech(im not talking about yelling fire in a theatre either) as well as harsh gun laws.

And yet European countries tend to do better at democracy than the USA, and have low levels of gun crime.

low gun crime doesn't mean anything

a nation could have high murder rates but low gun crime, they don't do democracy better they just do it faster since there elections are not as long and drawn out as ours, they aren't any "better"