Anti-Americanism on NationStates

[Verus Pondera]

However, in the rare instances when America minds its own business, and lets other nations sort themselves out, the world screams, "WHY WON'T AMERICA HELP OUT!!! IT'S THEIR DUTY!!! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A POWER!!"

^Here, basically, other nations just use America to fight all their wars for them, and when America refuses to fight another war, we are hated for being "isolationist". Yet, when we actually do fight the war, we are hated for being invaders and aggressors by the same people who hated us for being isolationists.

It's very hypocritical.

The global anti-American sentiments reflect the U.S.'s involvement more so in foreign affairs from which they benefit. They seldomly provide humanitarian aid without seeing any political/financial reimbursement. This, it seems, is hypocritical.

However, on the Internet in general, the hate for the American people runs high, and hate of the South runs even higher.

Seriously though, the hate of the American people (and the Southerners), is extremely stupid, and people should knock it off.

The obvious reason why Americans run into anti-American sentiments more often through the internet than in person is simply because of the internet's ability to link people from around the world (thus exposing the individual to different viewpoints than from others within geographical proximity).

If you blame the world for thinking negatively about American Southerners, you should take a look at how your own American media depicts the stereotypes.

[Vistulange]

The primary reason for my intense hatred against America (as a government, not the people) is that it is hypocritical and cowardly to the extreme. Yes, I just called the USA cowardly. Why? Because they preach on about human rights and political freedoms and apple pie against the 'weaker' nations (i.e Without nuclear weapons), but when it comes to the DPRK...they seem to shut up and simply mew in a low voice. Any other country would have been invaded. (See Iraq.)

Hypocrisy. Again, they spout the "human rights and political freedoms" bullshit they've been saying, busy justifying every corrupt regime they've been installing over the last century, while they miraculously don't seem to notice that a nation exists such as Saudi Arabia. Oh, I forgot oil. They're busy killing people for oil. Iraq was invaded on the grounds that Saddam had chemical weapons...but none turned up.

Besides that, America has this annoying tendency to think of itself as the world SWAT team. Yes, you have a good military, yes, you have aircraft carriers, yes, your economy is arguably good, whatever. These don't let a nation decide for others. They do not have the right to just invade and install 'democracy' because the regime there isn't kissing their ass. Sidenote: If you honestly believe that the USA really cares about human rights and such, I believe you are naive.

Also, the OP puts it there quite clearly: "Ammurrika is da greatest!!111one11one" is why majority of people despise the USA.

[Cromarty]

Also, the OP puts it there quite clearly: "Ammurrika is da greatest!!111one11one" is why majority of people despise the USA.

The majority of people likely have no strong feelings for or against America.

[Yankee Empire]

Your nonsense is precisely "might makes right". By your philosophy if I take over your house successfully, I am completely justified and the police should bugger off.
And nice derailment.

Not what I was contesting, also three other people are guilty of "derailing" the thread.

Might doesn't make right, but you need might to make right.

Or an international criminal court.

Whcih without military strength backing it up people rarely appear for their court date.

What the hell does reluctantly living in Israel even mean? Why not move if you don't like it?

It means that you appear to have passively admitted that your arguments are hogwash, and so you're attempting to divert attention rather than be further grilled. If this is not the case, by all means, get back on track and stop trying to derail the thread.

Oh i'm the one trying to divert attention from the argument, ok.
Guessing the strawmans against my position don't count.

Well if that were the case who could say otherwise? I'd be dead and couldn't make a case, and you'd be the only one with a voice.

You wouldn't be dead, you'd just be homeless.
And it's good to know that you despise the rule of law, and obviously never bother to report crimes and take people to court. After all, if you can't prevent it from happening, you deserved it, right?

Never said they'd deserve it, then again the realities are much differant than this analogy allows.

But Yankee hasn't shown any actual arguments beyond cheap shots, attempted derails and violent wankfantasy about might making right...

Look who's talking... after repeating a strawman.

[Vistulange]

Also, the OP puts it there quite clearly: "Ammurrika is da greatest!!111one11one" is why majority of people despise the USA.

The majority of people likely have no strong feelings for or against America.

I meant to say "Majority of people who are against America." Apologies if that wasn't clear.

[Divair]

Not what I was contesting, also three other people are guilty of "derailing" the thread.

Good for them. You, however, added to the derailment. You also ignored my point.

[Yankee Empire]

The primary reason for my intense hatred against America (as a government, not the people) is that it is hypocritical and cowardly to the extreme. Yes, I just called the USA cowardly. Why? Because they preach on about human rights and political freedoms and apple pie against the 'weaker' nations (i.e Without nuclear weapons), but when it comes to the DPRK...they seem to shut up and simply mew in a low voice. Any other country would have been invaded. (See Iraq.)

Or perhaps it's because we don't want South Korea to be nuked.

[Yankee Empire]

Not what I was contesting, also three other people are guilty of "derailing" the thread.

Good for them. You, however, added to the derailment. You also ignored my point.

Ok, what was your point then?

[Zaras]

What relevance does the century hold?
How are "we" more advanced?

Do you see anybody practicing slavery, lobotomisation, or forced sterilisation and eugenics?

No?

And why am I crazy?

If you can't tell the difference between "crazytalk" and me calling you "crazy", why should I bother explaining it?

Care to make an actual argument rather than stateing predispositions?

You make an argument first. One that doesn't sound like Stone Age thinking.

Personal will and ability to endure suffering and sacrifice is as much a part of the wealth of a nation as, physical goods, tradtion or culture.

No. Suffering is bad, and should be reduced as much as possible. Suffering isn't somehow fucking noble. It. Is. Bad.

Why is it a "fucked up way of thinking" because it's so alien from your own worldview

No, because it's fucked up to argue that violence and power are the only things that make society work. That isn't earth, that's fucking Klingon society. You grow out of thinking that everything's solved with violence after you become a teenager and learn that society's about solving your differences with other people peacefully. Doing otherwise is just a sign of failing to operate normally in a society.

Look who's talking... after repeating a strawman.

Hey, show me where you've made an actual argument that isn't based on a misconception of how the world works and a lurid attention towards violence and might making right that you generally find in 13 year olds?

[Divair]

Good for them. You, however, added to the derailment. You also ignored my point.

Ok, what was your point then?

By your logic, I can steal your house and that is morally right because I can.

Do you not see a huge issue with this?

[Johz]

What do you mean, anti-Americanism? I love America, I do. The way they invaded Iraq, Afganistan and so many other countries in the world for the sake of the native populace (and, of course, their knack for choosing the right native populace to support), the work they did against the ferocious evils that were Communism, Nazism and Imperialism, and the brilliance with which they have encouraged and championed international freedoms.

Then there's the way they have championed healthy eating internationally, the work they've done scientifically with regards to climate change, the fantastic ability they have to ensure complete freedom of religion, and of course that way they have with humour.

Oh, America, land of the free!

[The Remote Islands]

Yankee, you're making the rest of us Americans look bad. Really bad. Please stop it. Just...

What do you mean, anti-Americanism? I love America, I do. The way they invaded Iraq, Afganistan and so many other countries in the world for the sake of the native populace (and, of course, their knack for choosing the right native populace to support), the work they did against the ferocious evils that were Communism, Nazism and Imperialism, and the brilliance with which they have encouraged and championed international freedoms.

Then there's the way they have championed healthy eating internationally, the work they've done scientifically with regards to climate change, the fantastic ability they have to ensure complete freedom of religion, and of course that way they have with humour.

Oh, America, land of the free!

[Yankee Empire]

Ok, what was your point then?

By your logic, I can steal your house and that is morally right because I can.

Do you not see a huge issue with this?

Who determines what's morally right?

Also as I said the analogy doesn't really work in many cases.

But my point was If someone were to take something of yours and you unable to keep it for yourself then what makes it yours?

I mean this is the one reason we have police. To use force, strength, muscle to defend lawful citizens from those who would deny them rights and privileges that the Government by law is sworn to uphold.

This why the analogy doesn't work, because it's not one man and one house it's an entire society and the atmosphere is far removed from a couple of individuals.

Also conquerers don't always remove people from their homes, they just replace the government and laws with their own.

[Zaras]

Who determines what's morally right?

I'll tell you what doesn't: violence.

But my point was If someone were to take something of yours and you unable to keep it for yourself then what makes it yours?

The existence of private property.

[Divair]

Who determines what's morally right?

Society as a whole.

Also as I said the analogy doesn't really work in many cases.

It actually does.

But my point was If someone were to take something of yours and you unable to keep it for yourself then what makes it yours?

So theft is okay if I get away with it?

I mean this is the one reason we have police. To use force, strength, muscle to defend lawful citizens from those who would deny them rights and privileges that the Government by law is sworn to uphold.

And the police uphold these laws because of morals we, as a society, set

This why the analogy doesn't work, because it's not one man and one house it's an entire society and the atmosphere is far removed from a couple of individuals.

Not very hard to compensate for scale difference.

Also conquerers don't always remove people from their homes, they just replace the government and laws with their own.

As if that's much better.

[Sawia]

People should not be judged based on the actions their government makes, so i might not agree with US politics but i dont hate the Americans or their country because of it.

[Lahuland]

It's the risk of freedom of speech and democracy. A few people ain't ready for this.

[Yankee Empire]

What relevance does the century hold?
How are "we" more advanced?

Do you see anybody practicing slavery, lobotomisation, or forced sterilisation and eugenics?
No?

I don't agree with Slavery or lobotimisation, but i'd be willing to hear reasonable arguments about the other two.
Also the last three thing aren't really that old, in their time they were considered to be "advanced" as well.

And why am I crazy?

If you can't tell the difference between "crazytalk" and me calling you "crazy", why should I bother explaining it?

Oh just my words were crazy, sorry for the misconception...

Care to make an actual argument rather than stateing predispositions?

You make an argument first. One that doesn't sound like Stone Age thinking.

Personal will and ability to endure suffering and sacrifice is as much a part of the wealth of a nation as, physical goods, tradtion or culture.

No. Suffering is bad, and should be reduced as much as possible. Suffering isn't somehow fucking noble. It. Is. Bad.

No, because it's fucked up to argue that violence and power are the only things that make society work. That isn't earth, that's fucking Klingon society. You grow out of thinking that everything's solved with violence after you become a teenager and learn that society's about solving your differences with other people peacefully. Doing otherwise is just a sign of failing to operate normally in a society.

You see this the(my) problem with your "argument". You use your beliefs and predispositions as your argument.
Therefore if I say anything that doesn't agree with them, then in your mind i'm disqualified from a reasonable discussion with you.
Your talking about solving differances peacefully, how the hell can you do that if you simply dismiss and blow a gasket over any position you dislike?

Also I do think suffering (in varient uses of the word) is absoulutley necessary to accomplish anything worthwhile, or are you another one of those who use hedonism as your moral compass?

Hell i'll just make another thread.

[Verus Pondera]

if they are rascist etc etc then they are shit in my book. I'm down for a far right government as long as those elements are not included.

...The Golden Dawn simply seeks to return Greece to the control of the Greek people, removing the hordes of immigrants causing a great deal of trouble. Their anti-immigrant stances are a major step forward in the right direction.

Seen that awesome American flick Gangs of New York? Learn anything?

[Johz]

Yankee, you're making the rest of us Americans look bad. Really bad. Please stop it. Just...

What do you mean, anti-Americanism? I love America, I do. The way they invaded Iraq, Afganistan and so many other countries in the world for the sake of the native populace (and, of course, their knack for choosing the right native populace to support), the work they did against the ferocious evils that were Communism, Nazism and Imperialism, and the brilliance with which they have encouraged and championed international freedoms.

Then there's the way they have championed healthy eating internationally, the work they've done scientifically with regards to climate change, the fantastic ability they have to ensure complete freedom of religion, and of course that way they have with humour.

Oh, America, land of the free!

Can I just check that you did in fact read my full post, and not just the opening and closing lines?

[Verus Pondera]

To an American, that's basically indistinguishable from just hating us across the board. I get your point, though.
Also, Nuclear Fist, we're on the exact same page here.

I'm an American and I hate our government. We have a false choice between republican and democrat that is almost a zero sum game in terms of social progress.

I love the odd American who actually understands the puppet's game...

[Ifreann]

Yankee, you're making the rest of us Americans look bad. Really bad.

Only among people who judge Americans by one person on the internet.

[Zaras]

Your talking about solving differances peacefully, how the hell can you do that if you simply dismiss and blow a gasket over any position you dislike?

You're assuming I blow a gasket. No, I'm just being sarcastic and swear a lot.

I do know that I can solve differences without breaking into your house and declaring that everything you own is mine, if that's what you're saying.

Also I do think suffering (in varient uses of the word) is absoulutley necessary to accomplish anything worthwhile, or are you another one of those who use hedonism as your moral compass?

Suffering is suffering, and it should be minimized because it's bad.

And I'm actually an ethical hedonist.

[Zaras]

Their anti-immigrant stances are a major step forward in the right direction.

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

[Yankee Empire]

Yankee, you're making the rest of us Americans look bad. Really bad.

Why, do you consider those that depsise you the ultimate authority on judging your character?
Also whatam I doing thats so bad?

Only among people who judge Americans by one person on the internet.

People like that have already made up their minds they simply use the individuals as "proof".