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Genivaria wrote:

Lessnt wrote:But many a working men are elitist.

Anyone who thinks that being poor is a sign of stupidity or laziness is in my opinion an elitist fool.

You mean it isn't?

It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

And has been ever since 1953.

Also, that seems to be quite off topic.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

And has been ever since 1953.

Also, that seems to be quite off topic.

That's also completely not what that part of the Pledge even means, but whatever.
And I don't even say the Under god part.

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:And has been ever since 1953.

Also, that seems to be quite off topic.

That's also completely not what that part of the Pledge even means, but whatever.
And I don't even say the Under god part.

Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Its not THE one nation.
Its one nation.
Its very unexceptional.

Tagmatium wrote:

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:That's also completely not what that part of the Pledge even means, but whatever.
And I don't even say the Under god part.

Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

And to my Romanian eyes.

Tagmatium wrote:

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:That's also completely not what that part of the Pledge even means, but whatever.
And I don't even say the Under god part.

Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

Funny thing is, there's absolutely no real history or prestige to the pledge. It was invented by the Boy Scouts in 1920 or so.
It's not like Jefferson got done finishing the Declaration and decided to write a loyalty pledge just to pass the time. It's totally mundane.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Tagmatium wrote:Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

And to my Romanian eyes.

When your born free without allegiance you pledge yourself to something.
I believe that is the concept.

Lessnt wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:And to my Romanian eyes.

When your born free without allegiance you pledge yourself to something.
I believe that is the concept.

It shouldn't be a requirement, or even encouraged.

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:

Tagmatium wrote:Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

Funny thing is, there's absolutely no real history or prestige to the pledge. It was invented by the Boy Scouts in 1920 or so.
It's not like Jefferson got done finishing the Declaration and decided to write a loyalty pledge just to pass the time. It's totally mundane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
been a pledge since 1892 according to wiki.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Lessnt wrote:When your born free without allegiance you pledge yourself to something.
I believe that is the concept.

It shouldn't be a requirement, or even encouraged.

What do you mean?

Lessnt wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:And to my Romanian eyes.

When your born free without allegiance you pledge yourself to something.
I believe that is the concept.

Because us foreigners aren't born free, right?

We suffer and struggle under the heavy hand of despotism and tyranny.

Pull one of the other ones, it's got bells on.

Tagmatium wrote:

Lessnt wrote:When your born free without allegiance you pledge yourself to something.
I believe that is the concept.

Because us foreigners aren't born free, right?

We suffer and struggle under the heavy hand of despotism and tyranny.

Pull one of the other ones, it's got bells on.

Does your constitution or laws say you are free?

Lessnt wrote:

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Funny thing is, there's absolutely no real history or prestige to the pledge. It was invented by the Boy Scouts in 1920 or so.
It's not like Jefferson got done finishing the Declaration and decided to write a loyalty pledge just to pass the time. It's totally mundane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
been a pledge since 1892 according to wiki.

I must've gotten the date mixed up with the 1923 modifications.

Lessnt wrote:

Tagmatium wrote:Because us foreigners aren't born free, right?

We suffer and struggle under the heavy hand of despotism and tyranny.

Pull one of the other ones, it's got bells on.

Does your constitution or laws say you are free?

I don't know, I'm no lawyer nor am I an expert on the constitution.

However, perhaps more conspicuously, I have never had to give a pledge to my nation nor would it be expected of me unless I were to join the armed forces.

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

Really, you couldn't even get the pledge of allegiance right? Oh, and the "under god" part was only added in 1953 to "stick it to the commies."

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

And has been ever since 1953.

Also, that seems to be quite off topic.

God is never off topic when The United States of America is being discussed. Just as Jupiter is always relevant to Rome.

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:God is never off topic when The United States of America is being discussed. Just as Jupiter is always relevant to Rome.

The US isn't a theocracy nor was it founded by a deity, so yes, it is off topic.

Hittanryan wrote:

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:It is The One Nation, Under God.

Self explanatory.

Really, you couldn't even get the pledge of allegiance right? Oh, and the "under god" part was only added in 1953 to "stick it to the commies."

1954

Tagmatium wrote:

Lessnt wrote:Does your constitution or laws say you are free?

I don't know, I'm no lawyer nor am I an expert on the constitution.

However, perhaps more conspicuously, I have never had to give a pledge to my nation nor would it be expected of me unless I were to join the armed forces.

Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

Farnhamia wrote:

Hittanryan wrote:Really, you couldn't even get the pledge of allegiance right? Oh, and the "under god" part was only added in 1953 to "stick it to the commies."

1954

Fuck.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:God is never off topic when The United States of America is being discussed. Just as Jupiter is always relevant to Rome.

The US isn't a theocracy nor was it founded by a deity, so yes, it is off topic.

I'm afraid not.

Lessnt wrote:

Tagmatium wrote:I don't know, I'm no lawyer nor am I an expert on the constitution.

However, perhaps more conspicuously, I have never had to give a pledge to my nation nor would it be expected of me unless I were to join the armed forces.

Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

You have a very flawed understanding of the constitution.

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:The US isn't a theocracy nor was it founded by a deity, so yes, it is off topic.

I'm afraid not.

Then by all means, justify talking about god in a thread about being Anti-American.