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Postby Ierm » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:21 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It was a constitutional monarchy before the USA was born...

But the power rested in the King not PM until pre-WW1 post-1820


I found the oldest continuous government in the world.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:21 pm

United Gackle wrote:That is because everyone is jealous of America and its achievements

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:21 pm

United Gackle wrote:[One who bitches is One who is jealous

Yes, everyone who ever complains about something is clearly jealous of it. That makes perfect sense if you don't really think about it. :roll:

Nuff said

It's not like you were going to say anything worth saying, anyway.

Besides the fact i enjoy my freedom get to own Tactical Rifles with out a permit AND can be full auto ftw

You're not allowed to own a firearm without a permit in the US, as far as I am aware. And, believe it or not, not everyone enjoys masturbatory circle jerks over weapons catalogues. I know, it's bizarre, but some of us have better things to do.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:23 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
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...Not really, the UK has been essentially a parliamentary democracy since 1700ish.
The "Powers" of the king were an ever decreasing set of rights, their authority to actually do stuff was dead.

See, it is the ardument of when the King had less powers then the Parliment.


What powers do you think the king had in 1700?
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:24 pm

Ierm wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:But the power rested in the King not PM until pre-WW1 post-1820


I found the oldest continuous government in the world.

Most Serene Republic of San Marino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino

Raped by Nazi's in WW2, became part of Germany Military Government for a total of less a month.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:25 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:See, it is the ardument of when the King had less powers then the Parliment.


What powers do you think the king had in 1700?

Declaration of War, propose laws, veto laws, send troops, requisition conscription
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Postby United Gackle » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:27 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
United Gackle wrote:[One who bitches is One who is jealous

Yes, everyone who ever complains about something is clearly jealous of it. That makes perfect sense if you don't really think about it. :roll:

Nuff said

It's not like you were going to say anything worth saying, anyway.

Besides the fact i enjoy my freedom get to own Tactical Rifles with out a permit AND can be full auto ftw

You're not allowed to own a firearm without a permit in the US, as far as I am aware. And, believe it or not, not everyone enjoys masturbatory circle jerks over weapons catalogues. I know, it's bizarre, but some of us have better things to do.

LOL well that is where your WRONG

I know the gun laws here you can open carry a firearm as long as it is NOT loaded

to carry a concealed weapon such as a pistol you need to be 21 or older and have a permit

Also i own 2 M-16's, and 2 M4's you do not need a permit ask any gun dealership now IF it was full auto that on the other hand YOU NEED a permit for just like you can own a Tank i have a friend whose uncle owns a Sherman

You came to the wrong person man i know my guns and weapons i deal with gun dealerships also own a glock and i do have a permit to carry a concealed weapon for it as well
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:28 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What powers do you think the king had in 1700?

Declaration of War, propose laws, veto laws, send troops, requisition conscription


Declaration of war is only done on the advice/request of parliament. It is not a power in the traditional sense. Please find an example of it's use where parliament did not propose/vote for it.

Proposing laws is a power all MP's have too.

Send troops? No, the generals do this. And again, parliament was in charge. The army is PARLIAMENTS army. Ever since cromwell. 0 oaths to the monarch, no royal commands.

Conscription too, it's PARLIAMENTS army.

Law Veto wasn't used much, And I don't think at all post 1700.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:31 pm

United Gackle wrote:You came to the wrong person man i know my guns and weapons i deal with gun dealerships also own a glock and i do have a permit to carry a concealed weapon as well

Personally, I don't give two rusty fucks about how many shooty toys you own, dear. What I find particularly annoying is you stating that those of us who criticize the US, whether justified or otherwise, are jealous of your country.

If what you've just shown us is representative of most Americans (although I doubt it is), we have nothing to be jealous of.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Declaration of War, propose laws, veto laws, send troops, requisition conscription


Declaration of war is only done on the advice/request of parliament. It is not a power in the traditional sense. Please find an example of it's use where parliament did not propose/vote for it.

Proposing laws is a power all MP's have too.

Send troops? No, the generals do this. And again, parliament was in charge. The army is PARLIAMENTS army. Ever since cromwell. 0 oaths to the monarch, no royal commands.

Conscription too, it's PARLIAMENTS army.

Law Veto wasn't used much, And I don't think at all post 1700.

King George the Third di all of this in his reign. He ruled 1780-1810 abouit.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:32 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Declaration of war is only done on the advice/request of parliament. It is not a power in the traditional sense. Please find an example of it's use where parliament did not propose/vote for it.

Proposing laws is a power all MP's have too.

Send troops? No, the generals do this. And again, parliament was in charge. The army is PARLIAMENTS army. Ever since cromwell. 0 oaths to the monarch, no royal commands.

Conscription too, it's PARLIAMENTS army.

Law Veto wasn't used much, And I don't think at all post 1700.

King George the Third di all of this in his reign. He ruled 1780-1810 abouit.


Could you please cite examples.
EDIT: I understand why you've made this mistake, by the way. Blaming George III for what the British Parliament did was useful for american propoganda about the war.
And to some extent, that propoganda has distorted the view americans hold of the system in place.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:33 pm

American War of Independence, sent troops before Parliment WAS aware
Many Failed Vetos
EDIT: Looka t powers of King in 1700's-1800's. Look at them now. See any changes?
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Postby United Gackle » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:34 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
United Gackle wrote:You came to the wrong person man i know my guns and weapons i deal with gun dealerships also own a glock and i do have a permit to carry a concealed weapon as well

Personally, I don't give two rusty fucks about how many shooty toys you own, dear. What I find particularly annoying is you stating that those of us who criticize the US, whether justified or otherwise, are jealous of your country.

If what you've just shown us is representative of most Americans (although I doubt it is), we have nothing to be jealous of.

Do you see me hating on any country such as Russia, China, or any other nation??? No you do not therefore i ain't jealous

To be Jealous is for the immature
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Postby Nadkor » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:yes, but power switched from the king to the PM all through 19th century. And the Vatican City was fouded in 1929 and The Holy See is not a country


...Not really, the UK has been essentially a parliamentary democracy since 1700ish.
The "Powers" of the king were an ever decreasing set of rights, their authority to actually do stuff was dead.


This.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:35 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:American War of Independence, sent troops before Parliment WAS aware
Many Failed Vetos
EDIT: Looka t powers of King in 1700's-1800's. Look at them now. See any changes?


Cite your source please. He did no such thing.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:36 pm

United Gackle wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Personally, I don't give two rusty fucks about how many shooty toys you own, dear. What I find particularly annoying is you stating that those of us who criticize the US, whether justified or otherwise, are jealous of your country.

If what you've just shown us is representative of most Americans (although I doubt it is), we have nothing to be jealous of.

Do you see me hating on any country such as Russia, China, or any other nation??? No you do not therefore i ain't jealous

To be Jealous is for the immature

So let's discuss your immature jealousy of the UK and China.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:36 pm

United Gackle wrote:Do you see me hating on any country such as Russia, China, or any other nation???

By stating that everyone who criticizes the US is jealous of it, you are doing just that, yes. But I am rather certain you've made more explicit posts to that nature.

No you do not therefore i ain't jealous

If only you were jealous of a grammar teacher.

To be Jealous is for the immature

Not particularly, no.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:39 pm

World Book Ecyclopedia: Books, J,M, and B
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Postby United Gackle » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:40 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
United Gackle wrote:Do you see me hating on any country such as Russia, China, or any other nation??? No you do not therefore i ain't jealous

To be Jealous is for the immature

So let's discuss your immature jealousy of the UK and China.

No sense of Humor for this youngster i am guessing
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:41 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:World Book Ecyclopedia: Books, J,M, and B


Any online sources lol
This seems like a dodge to me.
The fact is,if you review history, George III was constantly dismayed by his utter lack of power over parliament.
It'd been this way for a while too. He knew he couldn't veto a law without ministerial approval too, so when a bill he disliked passed the commons, he had to resort to telling the lords to please vote against it. (They did, and the commons PASSED IT ANYWAY using parliamentary supremacy)
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:41 pm

United Gackle wrote:

No sense of Humor for this youngster i am guessing

I have a sense of humour. When there is humour, I will sense it.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:42 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I have a sense of humour. When there is humour, I will sense it.

I am sensing a lot of hypocrisy with our friend, here, and I find that humourous.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:43 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
United Gackle wrote:No sense of Humor for this youngster i am guessing

I have a sense of humour. When there is humour, I will sense it.

What is this "humour" you speak of? Is that some sort of Continental affectation?
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:43 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:World Book Ecyclopedia: Books, J,M, and B


Any online sources lol
This seems like a dodge to me.
The fact is,if you review history, George III was constantly dismayed by his utter lack of power over parliament.
It'd been this way for a while too

Oh, I use Print Sources. It draws from the fact i like to read books and such, Plus, i didn't spend hundreds of dollars and pounds on it, not to use it.
Plus World Book is a great Cite for School papers.
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Postby Valhallion » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:43 pm

United Gackle wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Yes, everyone who ever complains about something is clearly jealous of it. That makes perfect sense if you don't really think about it. :roll:


It's not like you were going to say anything worth saying, anyway.


You're not allowed to own a firearm without a permit in the US, as far as I am aware. And, believe it or not, not everyone enjoys masturbatory circle jerks over weapons catalogues. I know, it's bizarre, but some of us have better things to do.

LOL well that is where your WRONG

I know the gun laws here you can open carry a firearm as long as it is NOT loaded

to carry a concealed weapon such as a pistol you need to be 21 or older and have a permit

Also i own 2 M-16's, and 2 M4's you do not need a permit ask any gun dealership now IF it was full auto that on the other hand YOU NEED a permit for just like you can own a Tank i have a friend whose uncle owns a Sherman

You came to the wrong person man i know my guns and weapons i deal with gun dealerships also own a glock and i do have a permit to carry a concealed weapon for it as well


if they are not full auto then they are noy the m-16 or the m-4, you own to long ar-15 and two short ar-15. A m16/m4 require a class 3 license and are heavily regulated by the federal government. If you dont own a class 3 license and you do won fully automatic weapons under your name then i suggest you get that class 3 in a hurry cause you face 5-10 years in butt rape hell for each of them so you could spend 20-40 years being buba new girlfriend.

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