Anti-Americanism on NationStates

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Then start solving your problems by yourselves, and stop asking us to use our military so the rest of you don't have to.

You must have cognitive dissonance.

NO ONE WANTS YOUR STUPID GRUNTS IN THEIR COUNTRY.

South Korea does. Taiwan sort of does too, but we can't without really freaking out China.
Also, quit insulting members of my family, please.

[Ierm]

You must have cognitive dissonance.

NO ONE WANTS YOUR STUPID GRUNTS IN THEIR COUNTRY.

South Korea does. Taiwan sort of does too, but we can't without really freaking out China.
Also, quit insulting members of my family, please.

Without freaking out China?

*face palm* Americans..

Taiwan is an internal Chinese problem not an international fiasco for you to poke your imperialist nose into. Taiwan is the nationalist Chinese government which escaped to Taiwan. Not some tiny little state that you have to protect against 'big evil china'. It is a province of china and the only reason why this problem wasn't resolved 30 years ago is because of America.

You really think a nation that was invaded by two countries and supported by two different ideologies really think their backers are swell?
They feel victimized which is why there are calls for re-unification on both sides of the DMZ.
The People's Republic of China are not "Freaking out" when you send a fleet of WAR SHIPS into THEIR TERRITORIAL WATERS. That is the typical response when a foreign force violates your territorial waters.

I feel you need to be informed about your place on this earth.

America is not the home of the brave and the free, It is not the sole-single nation blessed by god, It is not the protector of civil liberties and freedoms and it isn't "The Friend of the World".

America is an oligarchy from inception, In the 239 years of its existence it has spent 209 years at war, It has attempted to overthrow more governments than any other sovereign nation on earth, It has caused an estimated 2.7 million deaths from starvation through sanctions and "Liberating" Iraq. America has faked attacks on itself to justify war, Gulf of Tonkin incident, Pearl Harbour and what seems like a majority is saying so was the September 11 was also america.

America is the closest nation to a Circa 1936 Fascist state than any other.

[The British Royal Crown]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that you're obviously too dumb to be serious.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

South Korea does. Taiwan sort of does too, but we can't without really freaking out China.
Also, quit insulting members of my family, please.

Without freaking out China?

*face palm* Americans..

Taiwan is an internal Chinese problem not an international fiasco for you to poke your imperialist nose into. Taiwan is the nationalist Chinese government which escaped to Taiwan. Not some tiny little state that you have to protect against 'big evil china'. It is a province of china and the only reason why this problem wasn't resolved 30 years ago is because of America.

You really think a nation that was invaded by two countries and supported by two different ideologies really think their backers are swell?
They feel victimized which is why there are calls for re-unification on both sides of the DMZ.
The People's Republic of China are not "Freaking out" when you send a fleet of WAR SHIPS into THEIR TERRITORIAL WATERS. That is the typical response when a foreign force violates your territorial waters.

I feel you need to be informed about your place on this earth.

America is not the home of the brave and the free, It is not the sole-single nation blessed by god, It is not the protector of civil liberties and freedoms and it isn't "The Friend of the World".

America is an oligarchy from inception, In the 239 years of its existence it has spent 209 years at war, It has attempted to overthrow more governments than any other sovereign nation on earth, It has caused an estimated 2.7 million deaths from starvation through sanctions and "Liberating" Iraq. America has faked attacks on itself to justify war, Gulf of Tonkin incident, Pearl Harbour and what seems like a majority is saying so was the September 11 was also america.

America is the closest nation to a Circa 1936 Fascist state than any other.

Oh boy. We've got a conspiracy theorist AND a rambler on our hands!
Let me pull your argument apart, piece by ill-supported piece.

a)
"Taiwan is an internal Chinese problem not an international fiasco for you to poke your imperialist nose into. Taiwan is the nationalist Chinese government which escaped to Taiwan. Not some tiny little state that you have to protect against 'big evil china'. It is a province of china and the only reason why this problem wasn't resolved 30 years ago is because of America."

Source that we fucked up reconciliation? Anything on this besides straw-manning me about "evil China" (which I never even IMPLIED, much less said)? Actually, we've done a great deal by recognizing China over Taiwan. The simple fact of the matter is that the people and government of Taiwan don't want to go back to the Chinese government. They were our allies in WW2, and they are effectively an independent nation in all but name. They were friendly to us in the past, and so enjoy our support.
Maybe China and Taiwan should actually try to reconcile instead of constantly blaming us for the situation.

b)

"You really think a nation that was invaded by two countries and supported by two different ideologies really think their backers are swell?
They feel victimized which is why there are calls for re-unification on both sides of the DMZ.
The People's Republic of China are not "Freaking out" when you send a fleet of WAR SHIPS into THEIR TERRITORIAL WATERS. That is the typical response when a foreign force violates your territorial waters."

I guess you're referring to the Koreas here, even though you switch topics to damn abruptly in this paragraph, it nearly gives me whiplash.
I think there is more positive feeling than most towards the US in South Korea than in other countries, and that they do appreciate US aid. Source to contradict me? If anything, the South Koreans are getting more and more apathetic about the situation. Why should they reunify? it'd just drag them down, according to some.
And yeah, if you believe the North Koreans want to reunify on fair terms, you're living in Dok's fantasy land. Reunification will only happen if one of the Korean governments collapse. And it won't be the South, from all everyone can tell.
The second half of this rambling tirade of a paragraph makes no sense. You say China isn't freaking out, but then says that their freaking out is a normal and justifiable reaction?
Are you high?
Also, sending fleets into waters BORDERING THEM is not the same as their waters. That is an actual act of war (which the North Koreans pull ALL the time). Get your facts straight.

c) "I feel you need to be informed about your place on this earth."
Alright, Mr. Wildly Ill-Informed and Egotistical. I feel you need to be informed just how utterly incorrect you are about...well..everything you posted on, really.

d) "America is not the home of the brave and the free, It is not the sole-single nation blessed by god, It is not the protector of civil liberties and freedoms and it isn't "The Friend of the World""
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

e) "America is an oligarchy from inception"
Source?

f) "In the 236 (corrected!) years of its existence it has spent 209 years at war"
Sure. That doesn't mean anything on its own, mind.

g) "It has attempted to overthrow more governments than any other sovereign nation on earth"
Source?

h) "It has caused an estimated 2.7 million deaths from starvation through sanctions and "Liberating" Iraq"
Source? Also, I assume you're saying Iraq has absolutely no responsibility for its own actions here? How irresponsible.

i) "America has faked attacks on itself to justify war, Gulf of Tonkin incident, Pearl Harbour and what seems like a majority is saying so was the September 11 was also america."
Gulf of Tonkin: sure.
The other two: Absolute, utter, sheer bullshit. Completely and utterly.
No "majority is saying America was behind 9/11. Get your goddamn facts straight. And Pearl Harbor? Same thing.

j) "America is the closest nation to a Circa 1936 Fascist state than any other."
You have absolutely no idea what the fuck that means. Be grateful for that.
This is the dumbest, most illogical, hyperbolic, poorly supported argument I've seen yet.
Very disappointing.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

You know what is funny? The United States of America has the oldest CONTINUOS Government.

[Ostroeuropa]

You know what is funny? The United States of America has the oldest CONTINUOS Government.

United Kingdom?

[Ierm]

@ The Tiger Kingdom: Yeah.. I know. I'm still hung over from last night and let my mind run on from my original point I was going to make.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

You know what is funny? The United States of America has the oldest CONTINUOS Government.

United Kingdom?

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

[Valhallion]

Gulf of Tonkin: sure.
The other two: Absolute, utter, sheer bullshit. Completely and utterly.
No "majority is saying America was behind 9/11. Get your goddamn facts straight. And Pearl Harbor? Same thing.

eeeeeeeeh I think we have to consider Pearl a possible there tiger.

FDR was responsible for pearl harbour. While this posting may not be politically correct and does not comfort with the myths and legends taught text, it is historically accurate.

While, Hitler was doing his thing in Europe. FDR wanted in the worst way to get into the war in Europe, but he knew neither Congress not the American people would let him. Even after running through the various Neutrality Acts to Cash and Carry to Boats for Bases to Lend Lease, he couldn't build sentiment for war. Even after he effectively declared war during his Fireside Chat on Sept 11, 1941, he couldn't find the necessary votes. Well, if you can't get in through the front door, try the rear windows, he reasoned. If Japan could be provoked into attacking, then the US would be at war with Japan and war with Germany would surely follow.

Some means by which such an attack could be provoked were laid out in the McCollum Memo. FDR exceeded that plan. He beefed up bases all through the Japanese sphere of influence, especially in the Philippines and on Taiwan, Midway and Guam. He moved the Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl, against the advice of his best admirals. CinCPac James Otto Richardson twice refused to obey the order, calling the move an unjustifiable and unwarranted provocation, likely to induce an attack, and he said the fleet would be a sitting duck and could not be defended against a carrier launched air attack. After obeying his orders, he continued to protest. He was relieved of command for his effort. His successor, Husband Kimmel, voiced similar objections on equally deaf ears. Chester Nimitz declined the post because he too believe it would invite and attack that would destroy the fleet.

On the same day that FDR ordered all Japanese assets in the US to be seized, he also created an entire new army, the USAFFE, pulled Douglas MacArthur out of retirement to lead it, and stationed it in the Philippines, directly amidst vital Japanese commercial and military shipping routes. He them created an air wing for the new army, the USAAFE, and stationed the largest collection of US warplanes outside of the USA in the Philippines, poised as a dagger at Japan's throat. He expanded the embargoes. He supported a group of "nationalists", "freedom fighters" and "patriots", as he called them, in Indochina, promising to help them in their war for independence against France and Japan. (They were the Vietminh, led by Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap and he would stab them in the back at Tehran, a treachery compounded by Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower in 1945, 1946, 1954 and 1956, leading directly to the Vietnam War, but out aid to them in 1940/41 was a factor that led to Pearl then.)

The final humiliation was the Hull Note of November 26, 1941. Orders to launch Kido Butai were issued after the Note was received. The Tojo Cabinet believed it had no choice. The goal was to take out the Pacific Fleet and US military presence in one fell swoop, thus driving FDR to the peace table and forcing the US to act the neutral it claimed to be. Had the carriers been in port, had Genda been allowed to launch the third wave against the sub pens, drydocks, maintenance yards and oil storage facilities, and/or had Nagumo been authorized to go after Midway on his way home, the plan might have worked. The Japanese did not want war with the US and they knew they could not defeat the industrial base of the US if it was turned loose against them. There was no intention to invade Hawaii, which is way no amphibious troops sailed with the fleet and by the fleet turned back after the attack on the fleet. The goal was peace and legitimate diplomatic negotiations and recognition of Japan as a legitimate player on the world stage. The US was never willing to grant such concessions, and FDR's desire to join the war in Europe simply bolstered that posture.

not trying to start anything, just point out Pearl does small a bit like a set up to me.

[Ostroeuropa]

United Kingdom?

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

It was a constitutional monarchy before the USA was born...

[Ierm]

United Kingdom?

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

Actually the Monarch has always had power(Bar Dour unfunny cromwell and his roundheads)

But uh.. Sweden, Denmark, Swiss Confederation and The Holy See?

[Nordengrund]

I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free!

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

Actually the Monarch has always had power(Bar Dour unfunny cromwell and his roundheads)

But uh.. Sweden, Denmark, Swiss Confederation and The Holy See?

Sweden went democratic, Denamrk went democratic, Switzerland went repubiced? Federalized? The holy see was officially made in 19-- something

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

It was a constitutional monarchy before the USA was born...

But the power rested in the King not PM until pre-WW1 post-1820

[Nadkor]

United Kingdom?

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

British constitutional monarchy grew out of the constitutional settlement reached in the late 1600s (although you could say that the statutory constitutional reform carried on into the early 1700s).

The first Prime Minister is generally accepted to have been Sir Robert Walpole, from 1722 to 1742.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free!

You're free in many different countries, several of which are more 'free' than the US.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Because the US government makes a lot of bloody stupid decisions, and as a superpower their bloody stupid decisions have worldwide consequences.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

They switched to Constitutional Monarchy and shifted power from King to Prime Minister.

British constitutional monarchy grew out of the constitutional settlement reached in the late 1600s (although you could say that the statutory constitutional reform carried on into the early 1700s).

The first Prime Minister is generally accepted to have been Sir Robert Walpole, from 1722 to 1742.

yes, but power switched from the king to the PM all through 19th century. And the Vatican City was fouded in 1929 and The Holy See is not a country

[United Gackle]

That is because everyone is jealous of America and its achievements

[The Nuclear Fist]

That is because everyone is jealous of America and its achievements

Not particularly, no.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

That is because everyone is jealous of America and its achievements

I'm very jealous of the Japanese internment camps and the 15 trillion dollar debt.

[Ostroeuropa]

British constitutional monarchy grew out of the constitutional settlement reached in the late 1600s (although you could say that the statutory constitutional reform carried on into the early 1700s).

The first Prime Minister is generally accepted to have been Sir Robert Walpole, from 1722 to 1742.

yes, but power switched from the king to the PM all through 19th century. And the Vatican City was fouded in 1929 and The Holy See is not a country

...Not really, the UK has been essentially a parliamentary democracy since 1700ish.
The "Powers" of the king were an ever decreasing set of rights, their authority to actually do stuff was dead.

[United Gackle]

That is because everyone is jealous of America and its achievements

Not particularly, no.

One who bitches is One who is jealous

Nuff said

Besides the fact i enjoy my freedom get to own Tactical Rifles with out a permit AND can be full auto ftw

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Pearl wasn't a conspiracy. What it was was simply the leaders of the US military in the Pacific fucking it up royally. Kimmel, Short, MacArthur, all of them. They assumed that Pearl couldn't be hit, and that the Japanese, if they were going anywhere, were heading for the Philippines, Wake, or Midway.

Japan didn't need to be provoked. They'd been planning for a war with the USA since 1923, when they realized their population was expanding faster than their resource base. This meant they HAD to expand into China, as well as the resource heavy areas in the Dutch East Indies. The
USA and Britain surely wouldn't stand for this. Hence, they planned the quick knockout blow when the fight became inevitable. This plan was decided after the British attack on Taranto showed that a fleet could be decimated in port for little loss of the attackers.

The opinion that Japan knew it couldn't win a sustained war - that was Admiral Yamamoto's opinion, not that of the government. It was also far from a mainstream opinion. Most other Admirals (as well as Tojo, commanding the government) believed Samurai spirit would be enough. They were wrong, horrifically so, for all involved.

Richardson was fairly canny in anticipating the attack, but a) his objections don't fit with your timeline, and b) at that point in history, there was absolutely no precedent for airborne attacks crippling a fleet at anchor. Taranto wouldn't be for another nine months, which cemented the Pearl Harbor idea in the minds of the Japanese command. The fact that he got ignored was hardly surprising.

As far as I can tell from the evidence I see, the Viet Minh funding didn't start until the war already had, there's no mention of any pre-war funding. Funding a communist resistance movement while not at war? That's a damn risky political move, in my mind.

And no, the goal of that war for Japan was the establishment of the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere", essentially an open Japanese hegemony of the entire Northern Pacific, from India to Hawaii, and from Siberia to Australia. That's not being established on the world stage - they already were an important part of the WW1 allies. They unilaterally annexed Vichy Indochina, which scared hell out of America and Britain. They attacked China without any provocation, and committed horrific war crimes that are utterly unjustifiable. They tried to invade Siberian Russia.
There was no noble goal behind any of that/ It was a pragmatic land and dominance grab, nothing more.

The Hull Note was simply telling the Japanese that their overt imperialism in Indochina was causing all their gas problems, and if they left it (why did they need it in the first place beyond imperial desires?), the embargo would be lifted, and some normalization could happen. And if the note was the last nail in the coffin, why was the Pearl Harbor attack approved by the Emperor on November 7th - 19 days before?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

yes, but power switched from the king to the PM all through 19th century. And the Vatican City was fouded in 1929 and The Holy See is not a country

...Not really, the UK has been essentially a parliamentary democracy since 1700ish.
The "Powers" of the king were an ever decreasing set of rights, their authority to actually do stuff was dead.

See, it is the ardument of when the King had less powers then the Parliment.