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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:23 pm

North Calaveras wrote:really? so showing hate speech against government officials wouldn't be against the law in totalitarian states?

Well, to be hate speech, you would need to say something similar to, "Come on, everyone, grab your pitchforks and torches! We need to kill off all government officials!" and show a clear and present threat to said government officials.

However, "I hate government officials." does neither.
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:24 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:It's somehow a sad relief to realize that the rest of the world has people who are just as ignorant about America as Americans are alleged to be about the rest of the world.

Why? Everyone don't have to know about America - Americans should know a little about the rest of the world. Everyone should know a little about the rest of the world - not about America in particular. Your statement comes off as ''a bit'' egocentric.

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:24 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The USA can put you in Guatamano Bay for months without trial too. One non exercised right does not turn Britain into a oppressive regime. And if you're counting all non-exercised rights, you should be complaining about the Queen, really. She can choose not to pass any laws.


I'm not counting them all, just this particular one.


So you're saying Britain's not actually oppressive at all and is about as free as America?
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:24 pm

Valhallion wrote:I still think those American sheep are pulling the wool over our eyes :P


I have a hard time calling you one of my countrymen when you say this.

"As an American i will admit, over 90 percent of us are arrogant, pompous, self indulgent, ignorant by choice, immature, narcissistic bullies, and scream U.S.A and american pie when we bomb brown people and call them terrorists for fighting foreign invaders."
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:25 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I'm not counting them all, just this particular one.


So you're saying Britain's not actually oppressive at all and is about as free as America?


For the most part, we both have our shitty moments, but people were talking about how shitty america is and i mentioned an area where britain sucked at and that was with it's hate speech laws and anti-gun policys(though guns are more personal choice/cultural type thing so i don't really count them in this equation)
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:26 pm

Valhallion wrote:I still think those American sheep are pulling the wool over our eyes :P


It's the Ameeeeeeerican media.
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Postby Nordengrund » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:26 pm

I used to be Anti- American, but now I am a proud American patriot.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
So you're saying Britain's not actually oppressive at all and is about as free as America?


For the most part, we both have our shitty moments, but people were talking about how shitty america is and i mentioned an area where britain sucked at and that was with it's hate speech laws and anti-gun policys(though guns are more personal choice/cultural type thing so i don't really count them in this equation)


Fair enough.
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Postby Zaras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:"As an American i will admit, over 90 percent of us are arrogant, pompous, self indulgent, ignorant by choice, immature, narcissistic bullies, and scream U.S.A and american pie when we bomb brown people and call them terrorists for fighting foreign invaders."


Hey, I have to put up with having Leninist and Stalinist shitheads representing communism. Why don't you deal with the fact that your representatives include these fuckheads?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:28 pm

Zaras wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:"As an American i will admit, over 90 percent of us are arrogant, pompous, self indulgent, ignorant by choice, immature, narcissistic bullies, and scream U.S.A and american pie when we bomb brown people and call them terrorists for fighting foreign invaders."


I have to put up with having Leninist and Stalinist shitheads representing communism. Why don't you deal with the fact that your representatives include these:

Image

Computers?
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Postby Valhallion » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:28 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Valhallion wrote:I still think those American sheep are pulling the wool over our eyes :P


I have a hard time calling you one of my countrymen when you say this.

"As an American i will admit, over 90 percent of us are arrogant, pompous, self indulgent, ignorant by choice, immature, narcissistic bullies, and scream U.S.A and american pie when we bomb brown people and call them terrorists for fighting foreign invaders."


Then don't and nobody says you have to.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:29 pm

Valhallion wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I have a hard time calling you one of my countrymen when you say this.

"As an American i will admit, over 90 percent of us are arrogant, pompous, self indulgent, ignorant by choice, immature, narcissistic bullies, and scream U.S.A and american pie when we bomb brown people and call them terrorists for fighting foreign invaders."


Then don't and nobody says you have to.


Sadly you are an American and as much as I think your shitting on your own people you are still one of my countrymen.

Whether you like it or not as well your an American to.
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Postby Zaras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:29 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Zaras wrote:
I have to put up with having Leninist and Stalinist shitheads representing communism. Why don't you deal with the fact that your representatives include these:

(Image)

Computers?


Okay, I forgot Adam doesn't like hotlinking.

It's here: http://adamcadre.ac/calendar/10/10651-real.html

Or, easier here: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... morans.jpg

Specifically, it's an image of a douche holding signs saying "GET A BRAIN MORANS" and "GO USA".
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Republic of Liberty and Freedom » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:30 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I used to be Anti- American, but now I am a proud American patriot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
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Postby Zaras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:30 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Sadly you are an American and as much as I think your shitting on your own people you are still one of my countrymen.


That kind of "MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG" is just wrong. You have to shit on your countrymen when they fuck up and are idiots.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Martean » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:30 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:No, they couldn't.


No, they couldn't. I'd love seeing a source that says they could, though.


It's a good thing that hate speech laws aren't typical of totalitarian states, then.


really? so showing hate speech against government officials wouldn't be against the law in totalitarian states?


Stranger things occurred during spanish transition to democracy, thing my father has told me (this kind of details are what do a second hand experience useful)

4 example, while catalonian was prohibited to teach and learn, the 1st newspaper in catalonian was released.

While law prohibited freedom of press, it eas a reality in spain, but hey! Just newspapers, indeed, a famous song (libertad sin ira) (liberty without hate or something like that :p ) was banned. So look, dictatorships are strange
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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:30 pm

Republic of Liberty and Freedom wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I used to be Anti- American, but now I am a proud American patriot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI


love that song
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:30 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Zaras wrote:
And yet European countries tend to do better at democracy than the USA (...)


(...)they don't do democracy better they just do it faster since there elections are not as long and drawn out as ours, they aren't any "better"

*ahem*
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... legend.png
The US has never even been in top 10 in the Democracy Index, and often ranks outside of top 15.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:32 pm

Zaras wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Sadly you are an American and as much as I think your shitting on your own people you are still one of my countrymen.


That kind of "MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG" is just wrong. You have to shit on your countrymen when they fuck up and are idiots.


I do...I'm "shitting" on him right now for saying what he said about 90% of americans.
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Postby Zaras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:34 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Zaras wrote:
That kind of "MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG" is just wrong. You have to shit on your countrymen when they fuck up and are idiots.


I do...I'm "shitting" on him right now for saying what he said about 90% of americans.


When some of the people who represent your country are like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... morans.jpg

Can you really blame him? Nobody wants the proud ignorant douches to represent their country.

The "over 90%" number is an exaggeration, but you can't deny that there's too many of that kind of people.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:36 pm

Zaras wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I do...I'm "shitting" on him right now for saying what he said about 90% of americans.


When some of the people who represent your country are like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... morans.jpg

Can you really blame him? Nobody wants the proud ignorant douches to represent their country.

The "over 90%" number is an exaggeration, but you can't deny that there's too many of that kind of people.


I havn't seen that many and I lived in a conservative rural area, ive seen a couple sure but not compared to the self-hating emos that were in the city when i moved.
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Postby Martean » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:36 pm

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
(...)they don't do democracy better they just do it faster since there elections are not as long and drawn out as ours, they aren't any "better"

*ahem*
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... legend.png
The US has never even been in top 10 in the Democracy Index, and often ranks outside of top 15.

Spain more democratic than france?????!!!!!????

*dancing!! dancing!!*

yeahhhhhhh dance with me :rofl:
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Postby Republic of Liberty and Freedom » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:38 pm

Zaras wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I do...I'm "shitting" on him right now for saying what he said about 90% of americans.


When some of the people who represent your country are like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... morans.jpg

Can you really blame him? Nobody wants the proud ignorant douches to represent their country.

The "over 90%" number is an exaggeration, but you can't deny that there's too many of that kind of people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IJGIMd3_LfY

Are all Americans not like this^^^^^????
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I abhor the label,but I would be considered an atheist. Non interventionist, Not in favour of state aid to private companies. Personal Freedom is paramount.

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Postby North Calaveras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:40 pm

Republic of Liberty and Freedom wrote:
Zaras wrote:
When some of the people who represent your country are like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... morans.jpg

Can you really blame him? Nobody wants the proud ignorant douches to represent their country.

The "over 90%" number is an exaggeration, but you can't deny that there's too many of that kind of people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IJGIMd3_LfY

Are all Americans not like this^^^^^????


ewww jesus christ
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Postby Zaras » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:41 pm

Martean wrote:
Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:*ahem*
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... legend.png
The US has never even been in top 10 in the Democracy Index, and often ranks outside of top 15.

Spain more democratic than france?????!!!!!????


Don't get that either.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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