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Imperium Nova Roma
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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:26 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:God formed this earth, so he formed America.

Wrong, the Big Bang created the circumstances in which the Earth was formed. Skip ahead a few billion years and you've got Pangaea. Then it breaks up, skip ahead a bit, and you've finally got North America. Skip ahead further to the eighteenth century, and now you've got the US.

If God didn't want The American War For Independence to go the way it did, there would be no U.S, thus God created The U.S

Could just be that your god is a load of horseshit.

It's a matter of Religion, so I do not expect you to believe what I believe, nor would I forcibly want you to.

I don't believe it because it is a load of horseshit, and the US is a secular nation.
Ha.

Believe whatever you want, I happen to disagree completely with your assumptions.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Wrong, the Big Bang created the circumstances in which the Earth was formed. Skip ahead a few billion years and you've got Pangaea. Then it breaks up, skip ahead a bit, and you've finally got North America. Skip ahead further to the eighteenth century, and now you've got the US.


Could just be that your god is a load of horseshit.


I don't believe it because it is a load of horseshit, and the US is a secular nation.
Ha.

Believe whatever you want, I happen to disagree completely with your assumptions.

How is he assuming anything? Also. Pot, Kettle, Black.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:I happen to disagree completely with your assumptions.

Then you disagree with science, which is luckily becoming less common in the US. As far as a foreigner such as myself can tell.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:30 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Wrong, the Big Bang created the circumstances in which the Earth was formed. Skip ahead a few billion years and you've got Pangaea. Then it breaks up, skip ahead a bit, and you've finally got North America. Skip ahead further to the eighteenth century, and now you've got the US.


Could just be that your god is a load of horseshit.


I don't believe it because it is a load of horseshit, and the US is a secular nation.
Ha.

Believe whatever you want, I happen to disagree completely with your assumptions.

Science is true whether or not you believe in it. Denying established facts doesn't make you special, it just makes you delusional to varying levels.
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Imperium Nova Roma
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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:31 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:I happen to disagree completely with your assumptions.

Then you disagree with science, which is luckily becoming less common in the US. As far as a foreigner such as myself can tell.
Science is an instrument of Gods will, as such I could not disagree with it.

I disagree that God is manure, which is an ignorant assumption of itself.
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Tagmatium
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Lessnt wrote:And since the US lives by the rule of law.

What the bloody hell do you think we do in other nations?

I mean, seriously...
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Science is always incorrect.
As it always needs to be constantly proven forever to be correct.

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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:33 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Lessnt wrote:And since the US lives by the rule of law.

What the bloody hell do you think we do in other nations?

I mean, seriously...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law
this is what I refer to.

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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:37 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:What the bloody hell do you think we do in other nations?

I mean, seriously...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law
this is what I refer to.

Ummm...

Do you know what you mean?

That isn't a brilliant article, considering that the UK is one of those within it which is also considered to "[live] by the rule of law", as are damn near all Western nations and your seeming assertion that the US is alone in doing so.

You do know that the monarchy in the UK isn't considered to have divine right any more, and hasn't done so for the last 300 and more years?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:39 pm

Lessnt wrote:Science is always incorrect.
As it always needs to be constantly proven forever to be correct.

And just like that you have lost all credibility.
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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Lessnt wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law
this is what I refer to.

Ummm...

Do you know what you mean?

That isn't a brilliant article, considering that the UK is one of those within it which is also considered to "[live] by the rule of law", as are damn near all Western nations and your seeming assertion that the US is alone in doing so.

You do know that the monarchy in the UK isn't considered to have divine right any more, and hasn't done so for the last 300 and more years?

Most nations do not live under the rule of law.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Ummm...

Do you know what you mean?

That isn't a brilliant article, considering that the UK is one of those within it which is also considered to "[live] by the rule of law", as are damn near all Western nations and your seeming assertion that the US is alone in doing so.

You do know that the monarchy in the UK isn't considered to have divine right any more, and hasn't done so for the last 300 and more years?

Most nations do not live under the rule of law.

Source?
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:44 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Science is always incorrect.
As it always needs to be constantly proven forever to be correct.

And just like that you have lost all credibility.
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I wasn't aware trolls had credibility to begin with.
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Postby Constaniana » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:45 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:

America based their Constitution on England's laws like the Magna Carta, so basically most constitutions are based off the English one.

Just because America is powerful doesn't mean people can't criticise it.

Not to mention Bicameral legislature was in England, later the U.K, so that's where the Americans got that idea.
And with regards to the last sentence, Americans need to get this. Even when the Brits were pretty much masters of the world, when we ruled the waves instead of waived the rules, we still made fun of ourselves constantly. Of course, it could simply be because of British humour, and not have anything to do with our exceptional humility.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:47 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And just like that you have lost all credibility.
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I wasn't aware trolls had credibility to begin with.

I believe in giving people a chance.

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Tagmatium
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:47 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Ummm...

Do you know what you mean?

That isn't a brilliant article, considering that the UK is one of those within it which is also considered to "[live] by the rule of law", as are damn near all Western nations and your seeming assertion that the US is alone in doing so.

You do know that the monarchy in the UK isn't considered to have divine right any more, and hasn't done so for the last 300 and more years?

Most nations do not live under the rule of law.

Please, do tell us which nations do not do so, and why this makes the USA quite so special.

You seem to be (in)expertly moving the goal posts here, by the way.

Since you have gone from "the USA is special for being under the rule of law" to "a lot of nations live under the rule of law, but others don't".

Let us not forget the fact that you've argued that the USA is extremely special for apparently press-ganging all of the inhabitants into the militia, whether they want to or not. And swearing allegiance to their nation, something the rest of us don't have to do.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:48 pm

Keeping in mind the Pledge is in no way official or binding, of course, in terms of the "loyalty-swearing" thing.
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:50 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Most nations do not live under the rule of law.

Please, do tell us which nations do not do so, and why this makes the USA quite so special.

You seem to be (in)expertly moving the goal posts here, by the way.

Since you have gone from "the USA is special for being under the rule of law" to "a lot of nations live under the rule of law, but others don't".

Let us not forget the fact that you've argued that the USA is extremely special for apparently press-ganging all of the inhabitants into the militia, whether they want to or not. And swearing allegiance to their nation, something the rest of us don't have to do.
What goal posts?
Also where did I say the USA is special?

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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:51 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Keeping in mind the Pledge is in no way official or binding, of course, in terms of the "loyalty-swearing" thing.

Shhhh....let the foreigners misunderstand.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:53 pm

Lessnt wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Keeping in mind the Pledge is in no way official or binding, of course, in terms of the "loyalty-swearing" thing.

Shhhh....let the foreigners misunderstand.

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Postby Anollasia » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:54 pm

Meh. I wouldn't support U.S., but I wouldn't really hate them. :meh:

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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:59 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Please, do tell us which nations do not do so, and why this makes the USA quite so special.

You seem to be (in)expertly moving the goal posts here, by the way.

Since you have gone from "the USA is special for being under the rule of law" to "a lot of nations live under the rule of law, but others don't".

Let us not forget the fact that you've argued that the USA is extremely special for apparently press-ganging all of the inhabitants into the militia, whether they want to or not. And swearing allegiance to their nation, something the rest of us don't have to do.
What goal posts?
Also where did I say the USA is special?

The idea postulated by yourself that US citizens are considered to be legally free, as opposed to those of other nations. Which is, of course, not entirely true.
The above post may or may not be serious.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:01 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:

America based their Constitution on England's laws like the Magna Carta, so basically most constitutions are based off the English one.

Just because America is powerful doesn't mean people can't criticise it.

Not to mention Bicameral legislature was in England, later the U.K, so that's where the Americans got that idea.
And with regards to the last sentence, Americans need to get this. Even when the Brits were pretty much masters of the world, when we ruled the waves instead of waived the rules, we still made fun of ourselves constantly. Of course, it could simply be because of British humour, and not have anything to do with our exceptional humility.

Americans make fun of ourselves. It's just we usually make fun of people from a different part of the country. Damn rednecks
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:12 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Most nations do not live under the rule of law.

Source?


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Postby Valhallion » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:32 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Then you disagree with science, which is luckily becoming less common in the US. As far as a foreigner such as myself can tell.
Science is an instrument of Gods will, as such I could not disagree with it.

I disagree that God is manure, which is an ignorant assumption of itself.


if science is the instrument of gods will, then he wants science to contradict everything in the bible?

and how can anyone have a ignorant opinion on something that isn't real?

and oh if you want to stick with the "god created to universe" hypothesis then i will make my own

I believe the universe was created by a alien named ted when he tried to make beer in his apartment.

you have your unsubstantiated claim, us non religious folks have ours.

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