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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:08 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:The US isn't a theocracy nor was it founded by a deity, so yes, it is off topic.

I'm afraid not.

Reality disagrees with you.

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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

You have a very flawed understanding of the constitution.

Everyone has a very flawed understanding of the constitution lol.
Since it was not defined that you had to be a US citizen to be part of the militia.

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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:And has been ever since 1953.

Also, that seems to be quite off topic.
God is never off topic when The United States of America is being discussed. Just as Jupiter is always relevant to Rome.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; etc.

As far as Rome is concerned, we don't worship presidents as gods. Well, OK, the Tea Party worships Reagan, but even he would have been too moderate for today's Republican Party.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:10 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:I'm afraid not.

Then by all means, justify talking about god in a thread about being Anti-American.

:rofl: :clap:
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:I don't know, I'm no lawyer nor am I an expert on the constitution.

However, perhaps more conspicuously, I have never had to give a pledge to my nation nor would it be expected of me unless I were to join the armed forces.

Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

So...

By living in the US, you're automatically part of the armed forces - or at least the "armed forces" in regards to what people in the late 1700s thought it was?

That honestly sounds a bit questionable, insofar as that's actually true.

It does also continue to make me question your assertion that people in the USA are more free - if that is what you were initially meaning by flagging up my earlier post about us foreigners being less free because we don't pledge allegiance to our nations.

Forgive me if I am incorrect.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You have a very flawed understanding of the constitution.

Everyone has a very flawed understanding of the constitution lol.
Since it was not defined that you had to be a US citizen to be part of the militia.

So you admit to making that part up? Thank you.

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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:I'm afraid not.

Reality disagrees with you.

Religion is part of the foundation of America.
There were just too many of them for a specific one to be picked.

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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Everyone has a very flawed understanding of the constitution lol.
Since it was not defined that you had to be a US citizen to be part of the militia.

So you admit to making that part up? Thank you.

Which part?

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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:11 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:I'm afraid not.

Then by all means, justify talking about god in a thread about being Anti-American.

America is a vassal of God, being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:11 pm

The "militia" currently refers to the National Guard.
In-character name of the nation is "Adiron," because I like the name better.

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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Hittanryan wrote:The "militia" currently refers to the National Guard.

Hardly similar to the Minutemen of Washingtons era.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Then by all means, justify talking about god in a thread about being Anti-American.

America is a vassal of God, being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.

And its that attitude that leads to wars of extermination.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:14 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:America is a vassal of God,

Source?

being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Being opposed to every single inhabitant of the United States would make you Anti-American, yes.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

Going to need a source for a deity existing and creating the US.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.

Going to need a source for that.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:14 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Then by all means, justify talking about god in a thread about being Anti-American.

America is a vassal of God, being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.

That's some good theocratic doublespeak right there. Reminds me of the Imperium of Man.

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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:America is a vassal of God, being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.

And its that attitude that leads to wars of extermination.

That'd be the case if I cared that much. I'm glad people have a right to believe what they wish.
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:15 pm

Hittanryan wrote:The "militia" currently refers to the National Guard.

Incorrect.

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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 pm

We don't have a draft or expect soldiers to provide their own weapons and equipment. We maintain a standing army. The US military is a long way removed from the days of 1787.
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:20 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:I don't know, I'm no lawyer nor am I an expert on the constitution.

However, perhaps more conspicuously, I have never had to give a pledge to my nation nor would it be expected of me unless I were to join the armed forces.

Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

So...

By living in the US, you're automatically part of the armed forces - or at least the "armed forces" in regards to what people in the late 1700s thought it was?

That honestly sounds a bit questionable, insofar as that's actually true.

It does also continue to make me question your assertion that people in the USA are more free - if that is what you were initially meaning by flagging up my earlier post about us foreigners being less free because we don't pledge allegiance to our nations.

Forgive me if I am incorrect.
The above post may or may not be serious.
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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:20 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:America is a vassal of God,

Source?

being opposed to its inhabitants means being opposed to America.

Being opposed to every single inhabitant of the United States would make you Anti-American, yes.

Which means they're opposed to a favored creation of God.

Going to need a source for a deity existing and creating the US.

God is not wrong, so the those that oppose Americans are the guilty party.

Going to need a source for that.

God formed this earth, so he formed America.
If God didn't want The American War For Independence to go the way it did, there would be no U.S, thus God created The U.S
It's a matter of Religion, so I do not expect you to believe what I believe, nor would I forcibly want you to.
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Hittanryan wrote:We don't have a draft or expect soldiers to provide their own weapons and equipment. We maintain a standing army. The US military is a long way removed from the days of 1787.

Rule of law.
Till the law changes its the law.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:22 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:The "militia" currently refers to the National Guard.

Incorrect.

Protip: Check your facts before you post.
The National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of National Guard militia members or units of each state and territory, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States. National Guard members are a subset of the Militia as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 311.

Active As militia: 1636–present[1][2][3]
As a reserve component: 1903–present
Country United States
Allegiance State (32 U.S.C.)
Federal (10 U.S.C.)
Branch United States Army &
United States Air Force
Role State Militia/Reserve force
Size 467,587 end strength (FY2009)
Part of National Guard Bureau
Garrison/HQ All 50 states, as well as organized territories, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia
Nickname Air Guard
Army Guard
Motto "Always Ready, Always There"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_G ... ted_States

Wanna know what the logo of the National Guard is?
A militiamen.
Image
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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:23 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Legally in the USA everyone is part of the militia.
Simply by living here.

So...

By living in the US, you're automatically part of the armed forces - or at least the "armed forces" in regards to what people in the late 1700s thought it was?

That honestly sounds a bit questionable, insofar as that's actually true.

It does also continue to make me question your assertion that people in the USA are more free - if that is what you were initially meaning by flagging up my earlier post about us foreigners being less free because we don't pledge allegiance to our nations.

Forgive me if I am incorrect.

We are freer in some ways and not in others.
Alas legally we are considered free.
And since the US lives by the rule of law.
It makes US citizens legally free.
People who come here are not as free.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:23 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:God formed this earth, so he formed America.

Wrong, the Big Bang created the circumstances in which the Earth was formed. Skip ahead a few billion years and you've got Pangaea. Then it breaks up, skip ahead a bit, and you've finally got North America. Skip ahead further to the eighteenth century, and now you've got the US.

If God didn't want The American War For Independence to go the way it did, there would be no U.S, thus God created The U.S

Could just be that your god is a load of horseshit.

It's a matter of Religion, so I do not expect you to believe what I believe, nor would I forcibly want you to.

I don't believe it because it is a load of horseshit, and the US is a secular nation.
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Postby Lessnt » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Incorrect.

Protip: Check your facts before you post.
The National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of National Guard militia members or units of each state and territory, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States. National Guard members are a [b][b]subset[/b][/b] of the Militia as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 311.

Active As militia: 1636–present[1][2][3]
As a reserve component: 1903–present
Country United States
Allegiance State (32 U.S.C.)
Federal (10 U.S.C.)
Branch United States Army &
United States Air Force
Role State Militia/Reserve force
Size 467,587 end strength (FY2009)
Part of National Guard Bureau
Garrison/HQ All 50 states, as well as organized territories, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia
Nickname Air Guard
Army Guard
Motto "Always Ready, Always There"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_G ... ted_States

Wanna know what the logo of the National Guard is?
A militiamen.
Image

Keyword subset.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:26 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Protip: Check your facts before you post.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_G ... ted_States

Wanna know what the logo of the National Guard is?
A militiamen.
Image

Keyword subset.

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