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The Nuclear Fist
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:18 pm

North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

You know what I think is funny? That this isn't happening. What is happening is people strolling in and forming a jingoistic circle jerk and stating that the US is the greatest country ever or some such similar nonsense and the rest of NS proceeding to disagree. If you're offended by that, well, too bad.

No one cares if you are patriotic, but ridiculous jingoism is both unwarranted and disturbing.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:19 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Someone sigged me ^_^ this is a glorious day

Indeed.
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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:19 pm

Capisaria wrote:I'm not anti-american. I'm anti jingoistic republicanism that favors the wealthy over the middle class.


You have a communist flag, yet you run your nation as if it was anarcho-capitalist.

Funny.


And I don't support the jingoism either. Although I do support republicanism (with a lower case "r"). I do not however, support the Republican Party (with a capital "R").
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:Having an opinion that displays willingness to be swayed by logic and evidence?

Having an opinion is one thing, stating it as if it is some sort of fact, without the necessary mountain of evidence to back it, is quite another.

Not everything the OP said was spew. Maybe very badly-articulated claims.

The entire OP was a steaming pile of horseshit and we are all fully aware of that.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:20 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

You know what I think is funny? That this isn't happening. What is happening is people strolling in and forming a jingoistic circle jerk and stating that the US is the greatest country ever or some such similar nonsense and the rest of NS proceeding to disagree. If you're offended by that, well, too bad.

No one cares if you are patriotic, but ridiculous jingoism is both unwarranted and disturbing.


Oh you, this entire thread is in RESPONSE to the Anti-Americanism on NS(im actually shocked it even made it to become a thread, usually they don't appear)

So what if the OP sounded a bit crazy, hes still adressing an issue with NS
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:20 pm

North California wrote:
Capisaria wrote:I'm not anti-american. I'm anti jingoistic republicanism that favors the wealthy over the middle class.
Although I do support republicanism (with a lower case "r"). I do not however, support the Republican Party (with a capital "R").

Hear hear!
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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:22 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.

I dunno, I've said I've liked apple pies before and no one I know has said anything.
The above post may or may not be serious.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.

I dunno, I've said I've liked apple pies before and no one I know has said anything.


That's not really what I mean nor was it the point I was trying to get across...
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Postby Orcoa » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:24 pm

The Stormcloak Rebels wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:You're not.


That honor just so happens to be disputed between the Conch Republic and the Republic of Molossia.

No no, the best country ever is the United Kingdom....mostly because of the BBC. Fucking Doctor Who is addicting :lol:
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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:25 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.



Well said. Someone called me a white supremacist for simply saying I disliked Obama, and that I am opposed to affirmative action.

Which is funny, because me being Hispanic (well, half-Hispanic, half-White American), I would actually benefit from it, yet I still think it is an unfair system and a load of crap.
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Everyone should watch this video

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Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

American Nationalist. Yet, anti-American government

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:25 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Oh you, this entire thread is in RESPONSE to the Anti-Americanism on NS(im actually shocked it even made it to become a thread, usually they don't appear)

So what if the OP sounded a bit crazy, hes still adressing an issue with NS

Except the OP is a textbook case of certain jingoistic Americans confusing criticism with hatred, and you're doing the same.

Very few people on NS actually hate the US. Perhaps they dislike certain aspects, and indeed perhaps hate its government, but hatred for the nation itself is quite low.

What this thread is is a petulant series of posts whining about people not bowing down and fellating American exceptionalism.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:25 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Having an opinion that displays willingness to be swayed by logic and evidence?

Having an opinion is one thing, stating it as if it is some sort of fact, without the necessary mountain of evidence to back it, is quite another.

Not everything the OP said was spew. Maybe very badly-articulated claims.

The entire OP was a steaming pile of horseshit and we are all fully aware of that.

America does indeed have one of the strongest economies in the world. We have a very good education system(but it's mostly going to ruin now) and we have one of he strongest militaries in the world. Our standard of living is extremely high.
THAT is valid evidence. And I did NOT state is as a fact. I stated it as something that could be true.
Shnercropolis wrote:1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world.
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:I dunno, I've said I've liked apple pies before and no one I know has said anything.

That's not really what I mean nor was it the point I was trying to get across...

Oh, right.

I suppose that's a good thing, because imagine what'd happen if someone had said they liked Shepherd's Pie?

They'd get called a member of the BNP!
The above post may or may not be serious.
"For too long, we have been a passive, tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 pm

North California wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.



Well said. Someone called me a white supremacist for simply saying I disliked Obama, and that I am opposed to affirmative action.

Which is funny, because me being Hispanic (well, half-Hispanic, half-White American), I would actually benefit from it, yet I still think it is an unfair system and a load of crap.


It's fucking ridiculous how sensitive people are about such stupid shit.
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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:You know what I think is funny? That this isn't happening. What is happening is people strolling in and forming a jingoistic circle jerk and stating that the US is the greatest country ever or some such similar nonsense and the rest of NS proceeding to disagree. If you're offended by that, well, too bad.

No one cares if you are patriotic, but ridiculous jingoism is both unwarranted and disturbing.


Oh you, this entire thread is in RESPONSE to the Anti-Americanism on NS(im actually shocked it even made it to become a thread, usually they don't appear)

So what if the OP sounded a bit crazy, hes still adressing an issue with NS



Imagine all the accusations of racism that would emerge if someone made an "Anti-Chinese", or "Anti-Mexico" thread.
I am a staunch supporter of Austrian Theory economics as defined by Ludwig von Mises, and I consider myself to be a libertarian and I support Ron Paul Gary Johnson. Basically, I am a capitalist revolutionary
Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

Everyone should watch this video

Factbook

Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

American Nationalist. Yet, anti-American government

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:28 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:That's not really what I mean nor was it the point I was trying to get across...

Oh, right.

I suppose that's a good thing, because imagine what'd happen if someone had said they liked Shepherd's Pie?

They'd get called a member of the BNP!

Shepherd's Pie is delicious!
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:28 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.

I dunno, I've said I've liked apple pies before and no one I know has said anything.

*points* Fascist!
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:28 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:That's not really what I mean nor was it the point I was trying to get across...

Oh, right.

I suppose that's a good thing, because imagine what'd happen if someone had said they liked Shepherd's Pie?

They'd get called a member of the BNP!


Tagmatium it was never about pie...I thought you would get the message I was trying to send.
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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:29 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
North California wrote:

Well said. Someone called me a white supremacist for simply saying I disliked Obama, and that I am opposed to affirmative action.

Which is funny, because me being Hispanic (well, half-Hispanic, half-White American), I would actually benefit from it, yet I still think it is an unfair system and a load of crap.


It's fucking ridiculous how sensitive people are about such stupid shit.



My mom thinks I'm right-wing extremist for simply knowing the gun laws of California, Nevada, and Arizona. haha :p :rofl:
I am a staunch supporter of Austrian Theory economics as defined by Ludwig von Mises, and I consider myself to be a libertarian and I support Ron Paul Gary Johnson. Basically, I am a capitalist revolutionary
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

Everyone should watch this video

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Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

American Nationalist. Yet, anti-American government

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:29 pm

North California wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Oh you, this entire thread is in RESPONSE to the Anti-Americanism on NS(im actually shocked it even made it to become a thread, usually they don't appear)

So what if the OP sounded a bit crazy, hes still adressing an issue with NS



Imagine all the accusations of racism that would emerge if someone made an "Anti-Chinese", or "Anti-Mexico" thread.


Oh I know, it would be pages long so fast.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:29 pm

North California wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
It's fucking ridiculous how sensitive people are about such stupid shit.



My mom thinks I'm right-wing extremist for simply knowing the gun laws of California, Nevada, and Arizona. haha :p :rofl:

:lol2:
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:29 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:America does indeed have one of the strongest economies in the world.

All that money and you're doing very little with it.

We have a very good education system(but it's mostly going to ruin now)

You have a shit education system.

and we have one of he strongest militaries in the world.

And yet you've managed to bungle across the world in random wars without achieving much of anything at all.

Our standard of living is extremely high.

Can't disagree.

THAT is valid evidence.

One of those is valid evidence for the US being a decent place.

And I did NOT state is as a fact. I stated it as something that could be true.
Shnercropolis wrote:1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world.

"I very well might just be better than all of you motherfuckers." is something we'd consider narcissistic and annoying with human beings, and it is not different with nations.

The US is not the greatest country in the world, get over it.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:31 pm

North California wrote:Imagine all the accusations of racism that would emerge if someone made an "Anti-Chinese", or "Anti-Mexico" thread.

If you actually had valid, well reasoned arguments, I'd imagine very few. But hey, maybe that's because I don't see false equivalence everywhere.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
THE ABSOLUTTM MADMAN ESCAPES JUSTICE ONCE MORE

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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:31 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
North California wrote:

Imagine all the accusations of racism that would emerge if someone made an "Anti-Chinese", or "Anti-Mexico" thread.


Oh I know, it would be pages long so fast.



I have an urge to do it, but it will probably get marked as spam, I'll get called racist, and get banned. lol
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Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

Everyone should watch this video

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Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:32 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
North California wrote:Imagine all the accusations of racism that would emerge if someone made an "Anti-Chinese", or "Anti-Mexico" thread.

If you actually had valid, well reasoned arguments, I'd imagine very few. But hey, maybe that's because I don't see false equivalence everywhere.



People DO post valid reasons but the thread always gets twisted into " well if America didn't do this, or America did that"
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