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Martean
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Postby Martean » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:12 pm

Xanixi wrote:
Orcoa wrote:(High Fives Back)

Thanks Bro :p


No problem, mate. It's (for me) a rarity to find a person who recognises their nation has disabilities.

You havent seen my posts right? :lol:
Personally, the U.S has many defects (less than spain, but its becouse we have too much) and a higher proportion of americans are patriotic that, for example, in Portugal, Greece, Spain...
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Postby Charellia » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:30 pm

I have some issues with your rant.
[quoteThe United States is the greatest country there is][/quote]
That sort of arrogance is the reason why so many people are anti American. I won't debate whether it's true but it does offend people.

If it wasn't for us then it is very likely that most or all of Europe and Asia would be under the control of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan. It was American humanitarian aid that helped put Europe back on it's feet after the war. We are also the ones that thwarted North Koreas attempt to conquer South Korea.

It's true that America played a major role in these events but there were a lot of other countries involved that America overlooks.

When it comes to giving aid to other countries in need it is America that is the most generous. We give several times more humanitarian aid and money to poor nations than any other country.

It may be true that America gives the most foreign aid but that does not mean it is the most generous country. Other countries give a greater percentage of their wealth to foreign aid than America does. They just have less to begin with.

We have the third largest population, third largest land area,

Actually China has the third largest land area. America is fourth.
largest economy, and the most powerful military.

Military power does not make a country great. It usually means that a country does not value human life.

The reason people are anti-American is because Americans say things like this which are full of half truths and one sided histories.

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Postby Valhallion » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:49 pm

Image

thought i would share :P

though i find it funny who this whole thing now went towards sexsim, personally im against special privileges, I.E elevating one group over the other and calling it equality.
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Postby Ulvena » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:12 pm

Valhallion wrote:(Image)

thought i would share :P

though i find it funny who this whole thing now went towards sexsim, personally im against special privileges, I.E elevating one group over the other and calling it equality.


Problem is that the haters have all the reason to hate. Whether they're being negative or not is open to debate but nobody can deny what the U.S did in Vietnam or Panema.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:58 pm

Ulvena wrote:
Valhallion wrote:(Image)

thought i would share :P

though i find it funny who this whole thing now went towards sexsim, personally im against special privileges, I.E elevating one group over the other and calling it equality.


Problem is that the haters have all the reason to hate. Whether they're being negative or not is open to debate but nobody can deny what the U.S did in Vietnam or Panema.

Yeah, well, keep in mind, the American people got America OUT of Vietnam, thanks to the peace movement. It was a horrible miscalculation by the political/military elite (mostly Johnson, his advisers, and Westmoreland), not the American people as a whole. Keep in mind, all the bombing Laos/Cambodia stuff, Nixon had to keep secret from us because he knew that it would cause a gigantic shitstorm in the States.
And Panama was entirely justified. The whole state was a violent narcocratic military dictatorship that actively threatened the Panama Canal Zone. Also, THEY declared war on US.
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The Stormcloak Rebels
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Postby The Stormcloak Rebels » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Ulvena wrote:Panema.


I know this is the wrong place to laugh, but I just started laughing like crazy.

EDIT: To be clear, isn't Panem a future dystopian America from an alternate timeline (the one featured in The Hunger Games)? Y'know, like Fallout except without the power armor, nukes, and other advanced technology?
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:15 pm

1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world, but we're like children with power tools at this point.
2)most of the constitution was written based off of Fench and English policies and philosophy.
3)Russia could have single-handedly stomped out Germany, Italy and Japan during WW2. Sure, America was keeping Japan out of the Pacific. Russia was keeping them out of China at the same time as they were steamrolling Germany. Italy was never a threat in the first place.
4)Nothing to say about that, the Korean war was pretty legit
5)we didn't defeat the USSR, the USSR did. Just because they couldn't keep their shit together doesn't mean that we defeated them.

And lastly, do you realise we've been essentially occupying the Middle-East for 10 or so years now, for absolutely no reason? We're a pretty screwed up country.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:20 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world

You're not.
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Postby The Stormcloak Rebels » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:29 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world

You're not.


That honor just so happens to be disputed between the Conch Republic and the Republic of Molossia.

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Yumyumsuppertime
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:38 pm

There is no "best nation" in the world. Or, alternately, they all are depending on whom one asks. Such a distinction is so subjective as to be essentially meaningless.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:06 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:1)yes, we might just be the best country in the world

You're not.

It's subjective.
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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:07 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:You're not.

It's subjective.

With a massive dash of nationalism and arrogance, by and large.
The above post may or may not be serious.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:09 pm

funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:10 pm

North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

I will sig that and have a less retarded sig.
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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:11 pm

North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

A lot of it is, mind.

I assume you've read the OP?

It has a nice mix of said blind nationalism, coupled with ignorant assumptions that completely disregard facts.
The above post may or may not be serious.
"For too long, we have been a passive, tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...

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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:12 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

I will sig that and have a less retarded sig.
:bow:

Before or after correcting the spelling errors?
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"For too long, we have been a passive, tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:14 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:funny how when anyone even mentions anything remotley patrioc people on NS scream " NATIONALISM!!!! BLIND IGNORANT NATIONALISMM OMG!!!"

A lot of it is, mind.

I assume you've read the OP?

It has a nice mix of said blind nationalism, coupled with ignorant assumptions that completely disregard facts.

There is a difference between national pride and blind nationalism. The OP displayed blind nationalism. I displayed national pride by saying "The US might just be the best country in the world"
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:15 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:I will sig that and have a less retarded sig.
:bow:

Before or after correcting the spelling errors?

I probably should spell-check them.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:15 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:You're not.

It's subjective.

Then don't state it as if it is a fact rather than your own opinion. An opinion, I must say, without much evidence backing it.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:15 pm

Can't love apple pie anymore without someone calling you a Fascist.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:16 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:I displayed national pride by saying "The US might just be the best country in the world"

Which is every bit as blind and ridiculous as what the OP said.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Capisaria
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Postby Capisaria » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:16 pm

I'm not anti-american. I'm anti jingoistic republicanism that favors the wealthy over the middle class.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Someone sigged me ^_^ this is a glorious day
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North California
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Postby North California » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:18 pm

Verus Pondera wrote:
North California wrote:However, in the rare instances when America minds its own business, and lets other nations sort themselves out, the world screams, "WHY WON'T AMERICA HELP OUT!!! IT'S THEIR DUTY!!! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A POWER!!"

^Here, basically, other nations just use America to fight all their wars for them, and when America refuses to fight another war, we are hated for being "isolationist". Yet, when we actually do fight the war, we are hated for being invaders and aggressors by the same people who hated us for being isolationists.

It's very hypocritical.


The global anti-American sentiments reflect the U.S.'s involvement more so in foreign affairs from which they benefit. They seldomly provide humanitarian aid without seeing any political/financial reimbursement. This, it seems, is hypocritical.


North California wrote:However, on the Internet in general, the hate for the American people runs high, and hate of the South runs even higher.

Seriously though, the hate of the American people (and the Southerners), is extremely stupid, and people should knock it off.


The obvious reason why Americans run into anti-American sentiments more often through the internet than in person is simply because of the internet's ability to link people from around the world (thus exposing the individual to different viewpoints than from others within geographical proximity).

If you blame the world for thinking negatively about American Southerners, you should take a look at how your own American media depicts the stereotypes.


It's hard to call us hypocritical when the US shovels out $28.67 billion a year in foreign aid. And that's just government agencies. It doesn't even include the private second. Second place (France), gives a pitiful $12.43 billion.

You were saying?

And just because there are different cultures on the internet doesn't mean you can ban a countries people.

If I say mere stereotypes about the Europeans, the Chinese, the Mexicans, or whoever, I'm called ignorant and racist.
Yet, when someone says stereotypes about Americans, nobody cares...

This is what I am tired of.

Anyways, I don't support our media's negative portrayal of Southerners either. I have run into folks (most notably on YouTube), who actually believe that being born in the South somehow makes you less intelligent. It's very stupid.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:18 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:I displayed national pride by saying "The US might just be the best country in the world"

Which is every bit as blind and ridiculous as what the OP said.

Having an opinion that displays willingness to be swayed by logic and evidence? Not everything the OP said was spew. Maybe very badly-articulated claims.
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