C.S. Lewis's Irrefutable Proof of Christianity (Or God)

[Todlichebujoku]

Well, I saw this thread two hours ago when it was made, and now it has 18 (probably 19 by the time this gets posts) pages. Glad to see NSG is as fired up as ever.

Well, Logiko doesn't seem to be on right now.. Wait, how many was NSG supposed to get?

[Veladio]

Oh joy...he's back. My first day back on NSG and I run into an LC thread.

[Takaram]

Well, I saw this thread two hours ago when it was made, and now it has 18 (probably 19 by the time this gets posts) pages. Glad to see NSG is as fired up as ever.

Well, Logiko doesn't seem to be on right now.. Wait, how many was NSG supposed to get?

I would have figured at least 25 by now

[Hurdegaryp]

It must be the time of the year. I've been gone for a while, seems like NationStates has only become more popular during my absence. Using C.S. Lewis' logic, that probably proofs that there is not a benevolent God. This forum is a cruel and chaotic place, pretty much like the world in general. Given human nature, one could argue that Creation serves as a perverse combination of reality TV and a global arena deathmatch, all for the entertainment of a sadistic God that actually did create us in his image in every unfortunate and malicious way!

[Individuality-ness]

Why does God know all the right choices?

He made the system, he gets to decide.

My mother made me, and she makes mistakes in judgement all the time. She doesn't know all the right choices. And I'm a legal adult. Does she still decide what is right for me?

Why does He have to be the end-all of all morals?

In a way, he doesn't, but there really isn't any alternative either, so...

So we should just obey our elders for eternity and not learn how to define our own morals? And what if we disagree with one of His morals? Do we still have no right to dissent?

And how does one justify His hypocrisy?

He created us, we owe him everything.

My mother created me, do I owe her a house and half of my future salary to repay all that she gave me?

Theoretically.

(I'm kind of doing Devil's Advocate here...)

(I know, but of course, might as well give an argument in response, right? I'm not a great debater either...)

[Todlichebujoku]

Oh joy...he's back. My first day back on NSG and I run into an LC thread.

Be joyful, 'tis not Karrasjfa;fjasjdtjoiwetkjstan.

[Individuality-ness]

Oh joy...he's back. My first day back on NSG and I run into an LC thread.

Be joyful, 'tis not Karrasjfa;fjasjdtjoiwetkjstan.

Damn it, you jinxed it!

[Mavorpen]

Oh joy...he's back. My first day back on NSG and I run into an LC thread.

Be joyful, 'tis not Karrasjfa;fjasjdtjoiwetkjstan.

I lol'd for some reason.

[Tsaraine]

He created us, we owe him everything.

My mother created me, do I owe her a house and half of my future salary to repay all that she gave me?

Of course not, don't be silly. You owe her all of your future salary, and you have to give it to her with a smile. She loves you and knows better than you and is entirely justified in killing you if you should disagree.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Be joyful, 'tis not Karrasjfa;fjasjdtjoiwetkjstan.

Damn it, you jinxed it!

NO! DON'T SAY - OR EVEN ABBREVIATE - ITS NAME!
WHO KNOWS WHAT HORRORS WILL BE UNLEASHED!

[Forsher]

I mean, seriously, if we're going to base anything on a Lewis, it should be Carrol Lewis.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Because vorpal swords go snicker-snack, therefore Jesus was actually the Jabberwock, ergo God is actually a Bhuddist.

FIrstly, it's Lewis Carrol. Secondly, it's the Rev. Charles Dodgson, a mathemetician.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

My mother created me, do I owe her a house and half of my future salary to repay all that she gave me?

Of course not, don't be silly. You owe her all of your future salary, and you have to give it to her with a smile. She loves you and knows better than you and is entirely justified in killing you if you should disagree.

Tsar, you've got it right.
And if you even think of doing something she told you not to do (you're doing it now!), you committed that sin, in your heart. GUILTY! Just like that.

[Germanic Templars]

VIVA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

Kari, is that you?

NO, only the awesome power of GT!

[Todlichebujoku]

Damn it, you jinxed it!

NO! DON'T SAY - OR EVEN ABBREVIATE - ITS NAME!
WHO KNOWS WHAT HORRORS WILL BE UNLEASHED!

BUT... KATGANISTAN!!!!

[Individuality-ness]

My mother created me, do I owe her a house and half of my future salary to repay all that she gave me?

Of course not, don't be silly. You owe her all of your future salary, and you have to give it to her with a smile. She loves you and knows better than you and is entirely justified in killing you if you should disagree.

Damn it. Obedient daughter standard strikes again!

Tsar, you've got it right.
And if you even thinkof doing something she told you not to do (you're doing it now!), you committed that sin, in your heart. GUILTY! Just like that.

MOTHER, I'M SORRY! I'M SORRY FOR TAKING MY HYPOTHYROID MEDICATION AND DISOBEYING YOUR ORDERS! FORGIVE ME!

Damn it, you jinxed it!

NO! DON'T SAY - OR EVEN ABBREVIATE - ITS NAME!
WHO KNOWS WHAT HORRORS WILL BE UNLEASHED!

It's already been unleashed! Hide!

[The Tiger Kingdom]

NO! DON'T SAY - OR EVEN ABBREVIATE - ITS NAME!
WHO KNOWS WHAT HORRORS WILL BE UNLEASHED!

BUT... KATGANISTAN!!!!

That one's not quite as immediately rife with dangerous consequences. Better than the alternative.

[Ifreann]

Prove that "that" exists.

Prove that

Prove.

[Individuality-ness]

Kari, is that you?

NO, only the awesome¹ power of GT!

1. [citation needed]

BUT... KATGANISTAN!!!!

That one's not quite as immediately rife with dangerous consequences. Better than the alternative.

No. No. Not... Seductions...

[San Leggera]

As a fellow brother in Christ I'd like to remind you that we don't have to "prove" God. He already does that, (Romans 1 starting in verse 18). Just show His love to all people!

The bible proving the existence of god is about as viable as the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe proving the existence of Aslan.

[Tsaraine]

NO! DON'T SAY - OR EVEN ABBREVIATE - ITS NAME!
WHO KNOWS WHAT HORRORS WILL BE UNLEASHED!

BUT... KATGANISTAN!!!!

Now look what you've done. This planet was perfectly fine, and now we'll have to get a new one. I hope you're happy.

To get back to the topic - CS Lewis, like most apologists for X, is flawed in his arguments because he presupposes that X is correct; he's starting with the result he desires ("God exists and is as described in the Bible") and working backwards from that point. As a result, he's unable to effectively consider the possibility that God does not exist, or is not as described in the Bible; and thus he gets rings run around him by thinkers who are more willing to consider alternatives.

[Individuality-ness]

BUT... KATGANISTAN!!!!

Now look what you've done. This planet was perfectly fine, and now we'll have to get a new one. I hope you're happy.

To get back to the topic - CS Lewis, like most apologists for X, is flawed in his arguments because he presupposes that X is correct; he's starting with the result he desires ("God exists and is as described in the Bible") and working backwards from that point. As a result, he's unable to effectively consider the possibility that God does not exist, or is not as described in the Bible; and thus he gets rings run around him by thinkers who are more willing to consider alternatives.

In other words, circular logic, Tsar?

[San Leggera]

That one's not quite as immediately rife with dangerous consequences. Better than the alternative.

No. No. Not... Seductions...

Seductions is still miles better than me when I'm caffeine deprived.

[Todlichebujoku]

NO, only the awesome¹ power of GT!

(Image)

1. [citation needed]

That one's not quite as immediately rife with dangerous consequences. Better than the alternative.

No. No. Not... Seductions...

Seductions? Seductions????!!!
*hides in a closet*

[Individuality-ness]

No. No. Not... Seductions...

Seductions is still miles better than me when I'm caffeine deprived.

But... her twisted, sadistic evil, her eyes, her knives...

[Imsogone]

Now look what you've done. This planet was perfectly fine, and now we'll have to get a new one. I hope you're happy.

To get back to the topic - CS Lewis, like most apologists for X, is flawed in his arguments because he presupposes that X is correct; he's starting with the result he desires ("God exists and is as described in the Bible") and working backwards from that point. As a result, he's unable to effectively consider the possibility that God does not exist, or is not as described in the Bible; and thus he gets rings run around him by thinkers who are more willing to consider alternatives.

In other words, circular logic, Tsar?

So he reverse-engineered God and thus created him. Cool.