C.S. Lewis's Irrefutable Proof of Christianity (Or God)

[Tlaceceyaya]

You think, therefore you think.

Prove that thinking exists.

Define thinking and then I can.

[Death Metal]

Ugh, it's this guy again. The last post he made about "Why Christianity is true" was a giant troll fest in which no actual evidence was presented for the side of Christianity.

Rule number one of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion!
Rule number two of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion.
Rule number three of NationStates: Shall you so choose to talk about religion, you risk your own sanity.
Rule number four of NationStates: You shall post at your own risk. AKA--it is your choice to feed the trolls. This may be a laugh riot for quite awhile, but will end up blowing up in your face.

Don't tell nationstates what to do

Help! We're being oppressed!

See the violence inherent in the system!

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Prove that proof exists.

Prove that "that" exists.

Prove that

[Germanic Templars]

You think, therefore you think.

Prove that thinking exists.

Prove the mind exists.

[Mondrova]

Prove that proof exists.

Prove that "that" exists.

Prove I exist.

[Individuality-ness]

Ugh, it's this guy again. The last post he made about "Why Christianity is true" was a giant troll fest in which no actual evidence was presented for the side of Christianity.

Rule number one of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion!
Rule number two of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion.
Rule number three of NationStates: Shall you so choose to talk about religion, you risk your own sanity.
Rule number four of NationStates: You shall post at your own risk. AKA--it is your choice to feed the trolls. This may be a laugh riot for quite awhile, but will end up blowing up in your face.

Actually, these are four rules for NSG:

1. You are forever biolinked to NSG, there is no escape.
2. If you make a claim, you better have a source for it or be eaten.
3. Everything is cyclical, there is no end to the circle jerk that is NSG.
4. Obey thy mods and give them offerings every so often.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

[Xeng He]

NUMBER ONE: SILLY BIOCHEMISTRY

If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees.

Why are they required to?

NUMBER TWO: THE WORLD IS NOT A MILK JUG PART 1

Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It’s like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can’t trust my own thinking, of course I can’t trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God.

At the same time, though, this doesn't actually make a God more likely, precisely because it calls thought into question. You can't trust your thoughts of God any more than your thoughts of atheism.

NUMBER THREE: THE WORLD IS NOT A MILK JUG PART 2

If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents – the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts–i.e., Materialism and Astronomy–are mere accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.

Because they can be checked, honestly.

NUMBER FOUR: YOU CAN'T LEARN FROM JESUS UNLESS YOU BELIEVE HE IS GOD

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

He could always have been misquoted.

NUMBER FIVE: CHRISTIANS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSE

The Christian is in a different position from other people who are trying to be good. They hope, by being good, to please God if there is one; or — if they think there is not — at least they hope to deserve approval from good men. But the Christian thinks any good he does comes from the Christ-life inside him. He does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us; just as the roof of a greenhouse does not attract the sun because it is bright, but becomes bright because the sun shines on it.

...I don't understand how this at all connects to anything.

[Mavorpen]

Prove that thinking exists.

Define thinking and then I can.

Prove definitions exist.

[Individuality-ness]

Don't tell nationstates what to do

Help! We're being oppressed!

VIVA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

Kari, is that you?

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove

[Menassa]

Don't tell nationstates what to do

Help! We're being oppressed!

See the violence inherent in the system!

The upper class is oppressing the lower!

[The Tiger Kingdom]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove prove

NOT HELPING

[Death Metal]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

Dadaism: 1
CS Lewis: 0

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Ugh, it's this guy again. The last post he made about "Why Christianity is true" was a giant troll fest in which no actual evidence was presented for the side of Christianity.

Rule number one of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion!
Rule number two of NationStates!... You do not talk about religion.
Rule number three of NationStates: Shall you so choose to talk about religion, you risk your own sanity.
Rule number four of NationStates: You shall post at your own risk. AKA--it is your choice to feed the trolls. This may be a laugh riot for quite awhile, but will end up blowing up in your face.

Actually, these are four rules for NSG:

1. You are forever biolinked to NSG, there is no escape.
2. If you make a claim, you better have a source for it or be eaten.
3. Everything is cyclical, there is no end to the circle jerk that is NSG.
4. Obey thy mods and give them offerings every so often.

V. You dont know what real communism is, its never been tried
VI. AuSable is forever, like Apap that threatened Ra
VII. There is no difference between clicking "next page" and clicking F5

[Mondrova]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

Prove it.

[Hamste]

See the violence inherent in the system!

The upper class is oppressing the lower!

The Lower class is opressing the upper! What with their "unions" and "rights"

[Individuality-ness]

Actually, these are four rules for NSG:

1. You are forever biolinked to NSG, there is no escape.
2. If you make a claim, you better have a source for it or be eaten.
3. Everything is cyclical, there is no end to the circle jerk that is NSG.
4. Obey thy mods and give them offerings every so often.

V. You dont know what real communism is, its never been tried
VI. AuSable is forever, like Apap that threatened Ra
VII. There is no difference between clicking "next page" and clicking F5

Those too.

[Menassa]

The upper class is oppressing the lower!

The Lower class is opressing the upper! What with their "unions" and "rights"

Well that belongs in an entirely different thread now doesn't it?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

OK, the word "prove" officially sounds like a nonsense word to me now. Well done, you guys.

Prove it.

*sigh*
I guess I brought that on myself.

[Murgoth]

Wait. So God is guiding our lives, but we have free will. How does that work, exactly? How do I have free will if some omnipresent power is controlling my life and guiding my choices?

Pretty simple, actually. We can choose to take whatever course of action we want, but since God can manipulate anything in our environment and the physical outcomes of all we do...

perhaps simpler: God provides us with choices, we decide. God controlled entire universe, gave Adam and Eve the choice of abandoning him. regardless of our choice god still works it into his plan, but our choice still exists. Ergo we have free will, but god will attempt to push us towards the right choice. keeping with my understanding of christianity, the world exists as it does today because we are really, really bad at making the right choice.

[Mondrova]

The Lower class is opressing the upper! What with their "unions" and "rights"

Well that belongs in an entirely different thread now doesn't it?

Of course not, we simply blame god for it. Duh.

[Individuality-ness]

Pretty simple, actually. We can choose to take whatever course of action we want, but since God can manipulate anything in our environment and the physical outcomes of all we do...

perhaps simpler: God provides us with choices, we decide. God controlled entire universe, gave Adam and Eve the choice of abandoning him. regardless of our choice god still works it into his plan, but our choice still exists. Ergo we have free will, but god will attempt to push us towards the right choice. keeping with my understanding of christianity, the world exists as it does today because we are really, really bad at making the right choice.

Why does God know all the right choices? Why does He have to be the end-all of all morals? And how does one justify His hypocrisy?

[Takaram]

Well, I saw this thread two hours ago when it was made, and now it has 18 (probably 19 by the time this gets posts) pages. Glad to see NSG is as fired up as ever.

[Xeng He]

Prove it.

*sigh*
I guess I brought that on myself.

...for sinning.