Capitalism vs. Communism

[Camelza]

well,I'm glad I found someone that understands that ..most people when hear the word communism start rambling about the USSR & Stalin

Ideally I'm a communist, I know my own ideology

That's pretty much my political identity (radical social democrat with anarchist/communist tendencies) if you add enviromentalism.

you should,there isn't anything further left ...thus my spectrum is correct.

Just because I don't know something doesn't mean your spectrum is correct.

I proved to you that there is an ideology further to the left than your "far left" thus your far left becoming obsolete,there is no need to argue over this.

[Zottistan]

Seriously? All this? Good for communism!

You should be ashamed because of this assertion.

Me not taking the piss out of them won't make those people any less dead.

[Divair]

I proved to you that there is an ideology further to the left than your "far left" thus your far left becoming obsolete,there is no need to argue over this.

There can be multiple ideologies in one point in a spectrum. There are many versions of far-leftism, many versions of center-leftism, many versions of centrism, many versions of center-rightism, and many versions of far-rightism.

[Camelza]

Seriously? All this? Good for communism!

You should be ashamed because of this assertion.

you should be ashamed of "Cake o' Slovakia".

[Camelza]

I proved to you that there is an ideology further to the left than your "far left" thus your far left becoming obsolete,there is no need to argue over this.

There can be multiple ideologies in one point in a spectrum. There are many versions of far-leftism, many versions of center-leftism, many versions of centrism, many versions of center-rightism, and many versions of far-rightism.

then,we may be both right.

[Divair]

There can be multiple ideologies in one point in a spectrum. There are many versions of far-leftism, many versions of center-leftism, many versions of centrism, many versions of center-rightism, and many versions of far-rightism.

then,we may be both right.


...not politically

I was debating that social democracy isn't centrism, nothing else

[Great Islamic Empire]

The truth is that Communism and Capitalism are both extremist aberrations that hide the correct economic policy to have economic development and social cohesion. The only correct economic policy was the Fascist Corporativism, which, eliminating extremists from the political dialectic, giving to the nation social cohesion and unity in the name of Patriotism, created an economic situation that doesn't neglect the right of the Private Property but doesn't abandon the government-founded welfare policy to help the lowest classes.

[Camelza]

then,we may be both right.


...not politically

I was debating that social democracy isn't centrism, nothing else

Social democrasy isn't centrism of course,but it can be described as of centrist nature if analysed ...but,as I said before,it depends on the spectrum.

[Camelza]

The truth is that Communism and Capitalism are both extremist aberrations that hide the correct economic policy to have economic development and social cohesion. The only correct economic policy was the Fascist Corporativism, which, eliminating extremists from the political dialectic, giving to the nation social cohesion and unity in the name of Patriotism, created an economic situation that doesn't neglect the right of the Private Property but doesn't abandon the government-founded welfare policy to help the lowest classes.

The trolling ...stop it.

[Divair]

I was debating that social democracy isn't centrism, nothing else

Social democrasy isn't centrism of course,but it can be described as of centrist nature if analysed ...but,as I said before,it depends on the spectrum.

It shares attributes with centrism, hence "center-left", but it isn't centrism. Pretty much center-left unless you're in the US, in which case anyone left of center-right is a socialist.

[Great Islamic Empire]

The Illuminati and COMMUNISM!

by Ray Novosel



THE ILLUMINATI

History records that on May 1, 1776, Dr. Adam Weishaupt founded the Bavarian Order of the ILLUMINATI. Weishaupt was a Professor of Jewish Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Bavaria, Germany. He was born to Jewish parents and later “converted” or more correctly, “infiltrated” Roman Catholicism. He became a high-ranking member of The Order Of The Jesuits, whom he subsequently left to form his very own organization at the clear behest of the newly formed “House Of Rothschild.”

It was the Jewish Weishaupt's belief that only a chosen few could qualify for enough "illumination" to guide and rule the world. The problem was, where could he find enough intellectual “light bearers” to start the ball rolling? He subsequently found them in various lodges and orders of the day, such as the various Masonic lodges, the Rosicrucian Order and other legitimate and sincere orders of antiquity. This is confirmed yet again by Edith Starr-Miller in her classic, “Occult Theocracy:” “As the organization of the Illuminati developed, so did its ambitions, which ended in a plot to subvert Freemasonry to its aim of world domination by any and all means ……. After obtaining control of certain Masonic Lodges, Weishaupt and his associates recklessly vaunted their growing power.”



But all this didn't happen without reprisal. Many members of the lodges and various orders, realising that they and their harmless societies and organizations had been duly infiltrated, warned Weishaupt to discontinue his activities. Fortunately for Weishaupt, Thomas Jefferson, in 1784, had recently been named the United States Ambassador to France. Jefferson, an avowed Mason, favoured Weishaupt's “New Order” and became sympathetic to his cause. This “New Order” was now guaranteed to continue, where it eventually dominated all others and became known as the “Order of the Illuminati.”



While casually flicking through Edith Starr-Miller’s classic “Occult Theocracy” recently, I noticed that the author clearly reveals an interesting Jesuit/Jewish link - where the third General of the Jesuits, after its Spanish founder Inigo de Loyala, was that of a Belgian Jew named Eberhard Mercurian. He held the title for 7 years between 1573 to 1580 and would no doubt have had a significant and consequential Judaising influence on the Jesuit order, and hence upon the Roman Catholic Church. On P313 she writes: “From the Jesuit College at Ingolstadt in 1776 is said to have issued the sect known as ‘The Illuminati of Bavaria’ founded by Adam Weishaupt, its nominal founder.” In fact, some of the most influential Jesuits in history, such as Francisco Ribera and Emanuel Lacunza were Jews. Seeing that many of the Jesuit doctrines are similar to those found in the Babylonian Talmud, is it possible that the RCC is simply another “Agent Provocateur” that the Pharisaic serpents have used yet again to Paganise and destroy true Christianity through the vain ‘traditions of men?”



The Illuminati, under the renegade Weishaupt, gradually became an openly destructive Luciferic society, with everything in its doctrines and rituals the exact antithesis of Christianity. It begins by enticing its victim into the first few initial degrees by the most beautiful altruistic and fraternal ideals and noble aspirations possible. However it gradually and almost imperceptively weaves a net of murderous Satanism as it descends into the higher degrees.

Weishaupt wanted a deistic republic of truly global dimensions, even if it brought about violent worldwide revolution and rivers of blood. His “benevolent dictatorship” had six main points dealing with the abolition of:

1. Ordered or nationalistic governments in the form of monarchies.

2. Private property.

3. Inheritance rights.

4. Patriotism to nationalist causes.

5. Social order in families, sexual prohibition laws and all moral codes.

6. All religious disciplines based on faith in a living God, as opposed to faith in nature, man and reason.

(It’s interesting that this is almost word-for-word from Karl Marx’s THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO and that these six points are also perfectly consistent with the Protocols in general, once again proving their legitimacy).

Karl Marx, the Jewish radical who inspired Lenin and Trotsky with his communist theories, was secretly a High Priest of Satan (see Richard Wurmbrand's book, Marx and Satan). Shown here in his official portrait, Marx is giving an enigmatic Masonic hand sign (see Richardson's Monitor of Freemasonry.

ILLUMINISTS MARX AND FREUD

History records that "Karl" Moses Mordecai Marx Levy (1818-1883) was born on May 5, 1818, in the city of Trier in the Rhine Province of Prussia (now Germany). His mother, Herietta Pressburg, was from Holland and like Karl's father, was Jewish and also a descendent of a long line of rabbi's. Marxists view the family as the primary obstacle to dismantling nation-states and thus establishing a collectivist Utopia. The social and political health of a nation-state is inversely proportional to the degree of racial, lingual, and religious diversity within it. In other words, the greater the “diversity” in a nation-state the less stable and enduring it is - a principle well understood by Communists everywhere. Marxism is less an economic theory, than it is a state of mind from which certain theories and practices have evolved. This state of mind is maternal and group-centered, and includes the view that Man's natural state is collectivist, or communal. Individual needs and wants must be subjugated to the needs of the community or state - to the needs of a borderless world or “Global Village.”



In 1841, Moses Hess, brought Marx into a society called the League of the Just, and taught him collectivist ideologies. Hess wrote: “Dr. Marx, that is the name of my idol, is still a very young man who will give medieval religion and politics their death blow....” [The portable Karl Marx, page 22] George Jung, another friend of Marx, wrote in the same year: “Marx will surely chase God from His heaven, and will even sue Him.” [Mystery 666, page 144]



Bukharin, one of Marx's associates in the First International, was an anarchist and by all accounts, an ardent Satanist. He wrote: “Satan is the first free thinker and saviour of the world. He frees Adam and impresses the seal of humanity and liberty on his forehead, by making him disobedient.” Thus in 1917, when the second revolution took place and the Bolshevik government came to power in Russia, the hand that led the people may have been the hand of Lenin, with the words of Karl Marx, but the voice was unmistakably that of Satan.

In Marxism, society's past needs to be repaired. In the psychobabble nonsense of Freudianism, individual pasts need to be repaired. In both worlds, these god-like Jewish thinkers believed that their deity hides things necessary for human perfection from all men from the beginning of time and that only through “extrication” of society (Marx) and of the unconscious mind (Freud) could the reality of the forbidden fruit of “perfection” be achieved. Thus, both philosophers failed to extricate themselves from their own kin’s perversion of history in forging their ideas. So, instead of creating new sciences of economics and psychology based on a confirmed reality, Marx and Freud simply believed in their own vanities and mixed in some excerpts of the Talmudic World View they grew up with, blending them with subjective observations of a fabricated history to produce a “New Eden” for their gullible and largely neurotic clients.



By applying their Jewish religious learning into Talmudic ways of thinking, Marx and Freud cleverly destroyed the objective principles of Christianity into which the world had been gradually evolving for centuries. Caught between the primary conflict of a finite Christian morality together with common-sense Biblical ethics - versus the Judeo acceptance and promotion of deviation in all areas of life, both Marx and Freud committed the world to violent upheaval and dangerous hazards, the results of which have been utterly catastrophic with their full consequences yet to be revealed. Conflicts which from the creation of Adam until today, have been the result of man’s ambition to make himself equal with God, or like Nietzsche, to create God in his own image, or to proclaim, like Marx and Ben-Gurion, that there is no God and therefore man has no further need for moral laws.



Man thus demonstrates his disdain by propagating ideas of complete freedom from conscience, and to think and act in absolute disregard and opposition to all the well established and necessary/commonsense laws required for the maintenance of decent civil, moral and natural order. This has resulted in the environmental catastrophe, and global chaos we see all around us. Rebellious, self-glorifying ideas, which invariably lead to the mass worship of devilish leaders who advocate these insane theories and who, unfortunately, are keenly followed by the unthinking masses who are either stupid, shy or too proud to announce that the king really does have no clothes.



PSYCHIATRY AS RELIGION

The religion of psychiatry is mainly defined as related to human behavior and the brain, thus excluding the spirit or soul of man, even though “psych” means soul. Through this denial of the soul, psychiatry and all its associated evils, such as “psycho-therapy” are destroying the spirit of man and has become a powerful and respectable cult. With this failure to address the soul, psychiatry has no alternative but to view human beings as merely animals that can be trained. As a result, psychiatry has developed methods that can only be interpreted as a subtle form of brainwashing. This indoctrination has been so sweetly packaged that we barely notice psychiatry's true nature. Neither do most of us see how contrived words such as dyslexia and ADD, have been infused into our societal thought patterns so strongly that we've come to accept these as true "diseases." Psychiatry took over our society, first by infiltrating our schools and churches under the disguise of counseling. Since most people had problems and because both churches and schools deal with people’s problems, it was easy to convince church and school leaders that they had another tool to handle difficult situations. Leaders accepted the "free" tool paid for with our tax dollars. As a result psychiatry easily manipulated and penetrated all our institutions of learning.



The dangers of psychiatry have even been recognized by some within it's own ranks such as psychiatrist Dr. Thomas Szasz, who long ago wrote: “The Myth of Mental Illness” and again in the 80's by William R. Coulson, Ph.D., from USIU (United States International University) School of Human Behaviour. Dr. Coulson addressed school boards throughout the country presenting the ominous message about drug education, values clarification and sex education programs he helped design for public schools along with Dr. Carl Rogers and Dr. Abraham Maslow. Dr. Coulson said that controlled studies had now proven that drug and sex education programs that he helped create, had the exact opposite effect. He said that values clarification programs surreptitiously placed in America's schools through the years - rather than teaching values, actually eroded and destroyed them.



There is another danger imposed by psychiatry that should concern everyone. It is the application of questionable psychiatric techniques and the availability of government psychiatrists that allows agencies such as the CIA and FBI to develop "psychological operations" (psy ops) programs. Some of these dangerous programs that were under the power of this psychic mumbo-jumbo included the infamous LSD experiments, the current MK ULTRA Mind Control program and the CIA's STARGATE program. These experiments could be considered unethical, illegal, unconstitutional and damaging to one's mental health, and is why psychiatry needs to be eradicated. It is destroying our society! It is an established cult that has mesmerized our nation in such a way, that to disagree with its techniques, outcomes, and programs is to be falsely accused of mental illness; as were tens of thousands of anti-government protestors and political dissidents that received virtual death sentences in the many Jewish run gulags of the “formerly communist” Soviet Union.



"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. "The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. "Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain." Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado Director of Neuropsychiatry Yale University Medical School Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974



Copernicanism AND The Cataclysmic Impact On Every Field Of Modern Man’s Knowledge

The Christian Bible (and the Koran) both declare the earth to be motionless. The mathematical Copernican model says the earth rotates on an "axis," (at over 1000 MPH) orbits the sun, (at 30 times rifle bullet speed) and is whooshing around a galaxy (at 250 times rifle bullet speed) - all at the same time. Over the centuries, superstars in the physical sciences established the Copernican model as an unchallenged fact. Copernicanism is a concept that is protected in a bunker under a 50 foot thick ceiling of solid "scientific" concrete. It is meant to be impregnable. It is a concept that has become ensconced in men’s minds as an indestructible cornerstone of enlightened modern man’s knowledge. Virtually all people everywhere have been taught to believe - and do believe - that this concept is based on objective science and dispassionate secular reasoning, now long since freed from silly religious superstitions based on the Bible.

Indeed, it was this Copernican heliocentrism concept that gradually broke the back of Bible credibility as the source of Absolute Truth in Western Culture. Once the Copernican Revolution had conquered the physical sciences of Astronomy and Physics and put down deep roots in Universities and lower schools everywhere, it was only a matter of time until the Biological sciences launched the “Darwinian Revolution.”

This embrace of Darwinism then quite predictably emboldened increasingly secular-minded mankind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace its teachings with yet more new "truths," in areas of learning having to do with economics and government. Thus was unsuccessful and floundering Marxism given new life. Marx openly tried to dedicate his own books to Darwin, exulting: "You have given me the basis for my system." Thus, the "Social Science" disciplines were born and began to make their contributions to the destruction of Bible credibility.



Marx’s less famous and under-rated benefactor, Friedrich Ingles, not only recognized the anti-Bible nature of Darwinism and Marxism, he - more than Marx or any of the rest of those early Communist revolutionaries - fully grasped the overriding importance of protecting the Copernican foundation of the envisioned New World Order from any and all attacks. He worked diligently to fortify against any lingering sporadic counter-attack against the Copernican foundation (by the Lutherans chiefly). He understood that the continued hardening of the Copernican paradigm into unchallengable "fact" status was absolutely essential to the success of Marxism. Engles wrote: "...one of the basic theses of dialectic materialism [Communism], is the inseparability of movement from matter...." (Anti-Communists, think on that a minute!!) Also: CHECK pp.25-27 in “THE EARTH IS NOT MOVING,” for this statement and for other quotations by Communist physicists and mathematicians about how mathematics were "created" and how Leninist theory "reconstructed the mathematical sciences" to rule out any non-moving (inert) body in the universe, i.e., to rule out the Biblical model of a stationary Earth at the centre of God’s Creation and simultaneously give atheism its "scientific" foundation.



Notice then the progression after the conquest of the physical sciences, to the biological sciences, to the social sciences and thence to the behavioral sciences. Now enter Sigmund Freud from far left stage. Freud - thoroughly marinated in evolution’s juices and ready to turn every sexual perversion from the Talmud’s pages (HERE) into normal behaviour and world notoriety stated flatly: "Man is not different from, or better than, the animals." He also declared that "...science is no illusion. But it would be an illusion to suppose that we could get anywhere else what IT cannot give us."



Lest today’s younger generation be unaware of the ineffably pervasive impact that Freud’s evolution-based, ostensibly secular "knowledge of the mind" witchcraft [i.e., psychology] has had, here are just a few assessments: "Sigmund Freud’s name is as cardinal in the history of human thought a Charles Darwin’s." "Few others in the history of the world have had a more profound influence on the way man thinks about himself." The very intellectual air we breathe has been infused with Freud’s categories of thought." No other thinker in modern times has had a comparable effect upon so many branches of knowledge." (Several revealing pages on Freud at this source: (HERE).



And too, lest we forget that the evolution-based revolutions sparked by the Darwin/Marx/Freud triumvirate in the late 1800’s were TOTALLY dependent on the previous success of the Copernican Revolution, consider the bottom line of what was happening over in the Physics and Astronomy Departments while Freud was at the university in Paris in the mid-1880’s: That bottom line is that the negative results of the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments conducted in Europe and the U.S. in the 1880’s consistently showed no orbital motion of the Earth around the sun. No motion. Period. (Shades of Joshua: "Sun, stand THOU still!" [Jos.10:12])



"...this unexpected result kept the scientific world long in perplexity....." wrote Hans Reichenbach in his insightful book “From Copernicus To Einstein.” He further noted: "This result, announced in 1887, dumfounded scientists...." ("Dumfounded" means "astonished, amazed, astounded, bewildered, confounded, flabbergasted, shocked and stunned".) This was serious stuff! The whole cult with its "science" idol was in jeopardy! Over three centuries of carefully layered propaganda and indoctrination had defeated, and all but buried the Bible’s account of a stationary Earth. The outer wall of the Bible’s claim to Truth had been battered down by radical members of the scientific priesthood. And now they were on the verge of breaking through the second line of defence with the Evolution battering ram. This breakthrough was designed to defeat and bury not only the Creation account of man created in the image of God, but the whole Creation scenario set out in the Bible. No Creation; no Garden of Eden; no Satan; no Temptation; no Fall; no need for Jesus Christ to redeem from the fallen condition.... What’s left of Christianity but a bunch of rituals and traditions?!)



The long and the short of all this is that the science establishment was thrown into an absolute funk with a capital "F" by the interferometer experiments! The word "unthinkable" got a lot of exercise. World class scientists such as Poincare’, Maxwell, Lorentz, and FitzGerald heaved and sweated mightily to hold the establishment’s house of cards together - the situation was desperate!



Then alas, in 1905, a saviour appeared. This saviour - this man who rescued the ruling theoretical science establishment from its potentially lethal enemy (The Truth!), this saviour - who advanced a theory of Relativity which seemingly ruled out forever any challenge to the Communist physics which forbade any inertia in the universe, was feted as usual with the full red carpet treatment, and parades and statues in capitols around the world. His name became synonymous with unequalled IQ-busting human intelligence. From a long list of great men and women at the end of the 20th Century, Einstein was chosen "Man of the Century". His crowning achievement? Why so glorified by a humanist/Jewish controlled media and education? Well, after all, he did rescue the Copernican foundation of all modern man’s "knowledge"! He deserved what he got from those who willingly gave to him.



On pages 110-133 (and elsewhere) in “The Earth Is Not Moving,” one can see how the shenanigans posing as science that led to the secular canonization of Einstein developed. Suffice it to say here what the evidence plainly demonstrates:

1) Einstein’s Relativity hypothesis rescued heliocentricity from the findings of over 200 experiments which showed that the earth was NOT moving.

2) These experiments threatened to undo over 300 years of successful labour to transmute fictionized mathematics into the basis of modern science.

3) Moreover, by threatening the Copernican Paradigm, i.e., the very foundation - the raison d' etre, of this successful transmutation, these experiments contained the deadly potential of thwarting the rooting process of Darwinism, Marxism, Freudianism, Einsteinism, and (later) Saganism. These isms were essential to victory in this spiritual warfare, which intended to get rid of the Biblical God, and especially His Son Jesus, and return to Paganism. Atheist philosopher Nietzsche summed up what was really at stake just before the experiments threatened the whole unfolding secular game plan: "God is dead", "We have killed Him with our science."



4) From F. Engles on, Communist (atheist) physics would allow nothing to be motionless in the universe, thereby "scientifically" ruling out the Biblically mandated stationary and immovable Earth.



5) Einsteinian Relativity is anti-Biblical, but it is not a wholly secular concept. Indeed, it is an essential part of another "creation account" given in another "holy book", i.e., the Cabbala. This "holy book", with its 13th century Rabbinical concept of a "Big Bang-Expanding Universe" (HERE), is an instrument of another religion which, along with the Talmud, specifically targets the Bible and especially the New Testament of Jesus Christ for destruction.



6) It is a surpassingly interesting coincidence that the Cabbala also describes Relativity (!), Zionism, and Dispensationalism (HERE & HERE).

Anti-Bible, Anti-Christ Cabbalism/Talmudism rules modern man’s "knowledge."

"...profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called." (I Timothy 6:20).



THE ILLUMINATI AND COMMUNISM

From the time of Christ, around 2000 years ago, the leaders of Pharisaic Judaism have ever warred against Christianity. Around the middle ages, an alliance between the secret societies of “Pharisonry” and the leaders of Judaism coalesced into the “Permanent Revolution” or “The Conspiracy” – in the final revolt against the Divine Plan for Order established by Christ, and conspiring against white Christian civilization.

The first time these diabolical vultures called “Jews” saw a land base to own and contaminate was in 1917, when their funded agents (local gangsters) assassinated the entire Romanov family and established the first Communist country in Russia. This was the beginning of the ultimate disaster for civilization and decency. This new Communist government was always funded, backed and supported from the Judmas (Judeo-Masonic) conspirators in New York, Washington D.C. and London (See “National Suicide” by Anthony Sutton, as well as numerous other well documented works). As Fr. Denis Fahey put it in: “The Rulers of Russia”: “The book shows Bolshevism (Communism) in its proper perspective, namely, as the most recent development in the age-long struggle waged by the Jewish Nation against the Supernatural Messias, our Lord Jesus Christ, and His Mystical Body . . .”

The intention of Communism was to break up the old order in the more incorrigible parts of the world with the utmost brutality. This commenced in Russia, where “anti-Semitism” was made a crime punishable by death as soon as the Communists took over. In fact when Lenin, financed by the International Bankers, overthrew the Russian government and established the first totalitarian dictatorship in 1917, the flag was red with a hammer and sickle, over which was superimposed the Star of David. Communism also smashed the old order in China behind the Moscow-educated murderer Mao Tse Tung, as it was done in Eastern Europe after the Communist takeover after World War II.

By 1989, it was decided that the task of Communism was complete. The old order was sufficiently broken up and/or corrupted, where the New World Order could now be quietly announced. Suddenly the New York media was cheerleading for the crowds demonstrating against Communism in Eastern Europe and Russia, and – instead of being mowed down by tanks as in the past – the Communists mostly gave way and all became “social democrats,” where they continued to figure prominently in the running of the formerly communist countries.

Let’s look at what two world leaders had to say about the REAL goal of the Permanent Revolution, which used Communism as only one of its masks. The first quote is from the first (and, at the time of this quote, former) Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion, given to “Look Magazine” in 1962, January 16th, edition:“The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: The Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligentsia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers, and the rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and democratic regime. With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.”

Ben Gurion missed calling the end of the Cold War by only two years, as it actually “ended” in 1989. His optimistic dream is becoming a real nightmare for Israel and the world, as his party, Judeo-masonry, continues to strive against the real order of the world, against the Kingship of Christ as explained clearly in the writings of Fr. Denis Fahey. But few can doubt that Ben Gurion was part of the inner circle that devised the game plan, as well as had the game plan in his possession. Next world leader, Pope Benedict XV in 1920, offers a more realistic view of where the program of Communist/Judeo-Masonry was heading: “The advent of a Universal Republic, which is longed for by all the worst elements of disorder, and confidently expected by them, is an idea which is ripe for execution. From this Republic, based on the principles of absolute equality of men and community of possessions, would be banished all national distinctions, nor in it would the authority of a father over his children, or of the public power over the citizens, or of God over human society, be any longer acknowledged. If these ideas are put into practice there will inevitably followed a reign of unheard-of terror.” From “Moto Proprio, Bonem Sanc,” July 25, 1920.

Note how Pope Benedict XV sees right through Communism, which was then raging in Russia, and was merely a disguise - the “destroyer’s” mask, worn by the World Revolution of Judeo-Masonry. He prophetically sees that, after the destruction phase was over, Judeo-Masonry would call their hoped-for World Rule a “Universal Republic”, never for what it really was, that of a Communist tyranny.

Let’s put it another way: the goal was always for the International Bankers and the Monopoly Capitalists, to put in practice the Talmudic principle that the Jews deserve to own everything, and the goyim (non-Jews) deserve to own nothing. So Communism either smashed all the enemies of the International Banksters, or served as a threat to keep the Free World off balance until the Banksters in the “free” countries could use their incredible money issuing power to take over the media and the governments of the so-called “free” countries. The Talmudic Supremists did all this in conjunction with the upper echelons of Freemasonry of which The Independent Order of the B’nai B’rith is TODAY its supreme governing body. "The Communists are against religion (Christianity), and they seek to destroy religion; yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is essential nothing else than our religion (Judaism)." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 138).

If you have got this far, only the terminally blind will deny that Marxist/Talmudic Jews wield immense power and influence worldwide, especially in the United States and where the so-called "Jewish lobby" is a decisive factor in the slavish support for Israel. As long as this incredibly powerful religious influence remains entrenched, there will be no end to the systematic and deliberate distortion of current affairs and history, the Jewish-Zionist domination of the U.S. political system, Zionist/Nazi style oppression of the Palestinians and the Israeli threat to world peace.

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[Divair]

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The mods are going to have a good time, it seems.

[Camelza]

Social democrasy isn't centrism of course,but it can be described as of centrist nature if analysed ...but,as I said before,it depends on the spectrum.

It shares attributes with centrism, hence "center-left", but it isn't centrism. Pretty much center-left unless you're in the US, in which case anyone left of center-right is a socialist.

Look the most accurate position of Social Democrasy would be left-of-center ....it's mostly that because most social democratic ideological variants are centre-left/left-wing socially while also being centrist politically and economically (sometimes they even get to the right-of-center economically).

[Great Islamic Empire]

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The mods are going to have a good time, it seems.

From when posting a document to demonstrate the validity of a thesis is a violation of the regulament?

Maybe I know the cause of that hostility for the documentation:

I reluctantly live in Israel.

[Divair]

From when posting a document to demonstrate the validity of a thesis is a violation of the regulament?

Copy pasting articles is not allowed.

Maybe I know the cause of that hostility for the documentation:

I reluctantly live in Israel.

I don't know what the document is (haven't looked at it, I don't read copy paste spam), so I don't see the relevance.

[Camelza]

-yadda yadda jews yadda yadda conspiracy yadda evil yadda commies yadda yadda religion yadda-

[Divair]

Look the most accurate position of Social Democrasy would be left-of-center ....it's mostly that because most social democratic ideological variants are centre-left/left-wing socially while also being centrist politically and economically (sometimes they even get to the right-of-center economically).

Social democracy doesn't say much politically. Economically I'd argue it's still center-leftism, but some social democrats shift towards centrism.

[Great Islamic Empire]

Copy pasting articles is not allowed.

So praising bloody ideologies is allowed?

[Zottistan]

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So praising bloody ideologies is allowed?

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[Divair]

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So praising bloody ideologies is allowed?

On this forum, yes. There are plenty of Nazis, Stalinists, and all sorts of other supporters of ideologies that, in the past, have involved mass murder.

[Camelza]

Look the most accurate position of Social Democrasy would be left-of-center ....it's mostly that because most social democratic ideological variants are centre-left/left-wing socially while also being centrist politically and economically (sometimes they even get to the right-of-center economically).

Social democracy doesn't say much politically. Economically I'd argue it's still center-leftism, but some social democrats shift towards centrism.

Yeah,I've noticed that ...it's hard to find true social democrats nowadays.

[Qrill]

It's more about the culture than the government system. If everyone in a culture was perfecty good, there would be no need for any system at all. True, you would still need safety recommedations, such as traffic laws, but if everyone was perfectly good, all that you would have to do is tell them what the safe thing to do is, and they would do it. On the other hand, any system can be corrupted if everyone in the nation is. If you had one good guy lead a nation of evil people, he/she would get assasinated.

Now, on this particular issue, both systems have serious flaws. The problem with communism is that it is essentially forced generosity. Take only what you need, give all that you can. While this makes a good life philosophy, this cannot be legislated or it quickly becomes a form of slavery, as it did in the Soviet Union. On the other hand, while capitalism does naturally direct itself towards equillibrium when it is too far in one direction, it often ends up going to the opposite extreme. As we see in early US history, booms were quickly followed by busts, the by bigger booms, the bigger busts, right up to the Great Depression. At that point, it was clear that some form of regulation was necassary. We still don't have it down, and I think the issue can't be blamed strictly on te government. Our culture is very self-oriented, and depending on where you live and whether you are rich or poor, people vote based on what is best fr their own emotional or finnancial comfort, not necassarily what is right. Of course, no one feels satisfied. Many Upper Middle class and Upper class ctizens are not satisfied with the responsiblities placed on them, and many of the poor are willing to overlook other critical issues in order to improve their own status (though I can't say I really blame them). One region competes with another for funding, as do dfferent occupations and industries, ultimately getting us nowhere.

In conclusion, I don't know what the perfect system is,but these two aren't it. If I had to coose, I would pick capitalism based primarily on the fact that it has generally done better than communism.

Note: Sorry if there are a lot of typos. I tried to clean it up, but my keboard isn't working properly.

[Mavorpen]

If you can't keep most of your profits, there is a cap on how much you can keep, there are too many rules about how trade is done (no money, no selling of labor), then it is not a FREE market. Also, it is not a private enterprise if you can't keep most of what you make (this is like ABC). If my enterprise creates products but I am not allowed to buy and sell them at my own discretion then how do I owe that enterprise or anything it creates?

It's like talking to a brick wall.

1) How can you keep any of your profits? There is no profit to begin with.
2)There are no rules about how trade is done. The decision to not sell labor or have money is democratic and voluntary. You can leave if you don't want to follow this.
3)What? A private enterprise isn't defined by what you can keep, it is defined by how little state intervention occurs. Of which, there is none in a communist society.
4) You can't buy and sell due to the society discarding money voluntarily.

Here we have the same problem: you're whining over stuff that doesn't happen in a communist society in the first place.

I know that ''capitalist'' countries right now are not 100% capitalist but they still earn the label of free market because you keep most of what you earn, exchange is mostly unrestricted, private firms run for profit operate relatively unfettered etc. Calling communism a free market is too much of a stretch because they are too many rules to stifle individual market freedoms...

That's not what defines a free market in a capitalist society.

Free-market capitalism refers to an economic system where prices for goods and services are set freely by the forces of supply and demand and are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by government policy.

Going by this, China does not meet this definition. Your problem is that you use capitalism and free-market interchangeably. They aren't, and socialists have been championing for free markets and voluntary exchange since the 19th century (Benjamin Tucker, Richardian socialists, etc.)

I really like the part where you say there are not profits in a communistic society. There are ALWAYS incentives to make profits. ALWAYS. And there are always people looking for profitable exchanges with people who want to make profits. Once again, the only way you are going to keep people from trying to amass profits is through communistic laws that say you can't. Once you do that (prevent people from amassing profits), your market is no longer free in any substantial sense... You've already regulated it too much.

You're using a different definition of profit, aren't you?

In Classical economics and Marxian economics, profit is the return to an owner of capital stock (means of production) in any productive pursuit involving labor, or a return on bonds and money invested in capital markets.[2] Specifically in Marxian economic theory, the maximization of profit and the accumulation of capital is the driving force behind economic activity within capitalist economic systems.

So tell me, in a society where there is no money or private property ownership, why in the world would anyone seek a profit?

And so to keep it stateless, moneyless, AND classless you are going to need a LOT of rules. Too many to earn the label of free market...

Nope.

Money is banned because it says ''moneyless.'' How else are you going to prevent people from developing money again if you don't keep it banned?

Are you facepalming because your first sentence was a complete non sequitur? I did as well. Since when does lacking something automatically conclude there is a rule against it? Suddenly "godless" means there are rules against believing in God, amirite?

Sell my labor? Why would I? Because it's a mutually beneficial arrangement (someone makes a profit and so do I)? Once again, how do you prevent this basic human instinct? By banning the practice and forcing anyone who does it to LEAVE or be imprisoned. Hence... to call it a free market is a joke when you can't even engage in basic market practices...

No profit, thus there is no benefit to doing it. Selling labor isn't banned. It isn't restricted. It's simply silly to attempt it when there are no benefits to it in a communist society. There are no benefits to me jumping down stairs face-first, thus I do not do it. According to your logic, this means that jumping down stairs face-first is banned. Could you please try to read my posts? At least try.

Economics is the work of economists. Most mainstream economists today disavow communism, so that's how it matters.

It really doesn't matter. Economists tend to focus on what happens currently. What occurs currently is, you guessed it, capitalism. Economists would make no money if they didn't specialize or specifically work in studying capitalism.

At least I understand that you simply can't call a communist economy a system of free market enterprise LOL. You on the other hand, seem to believe in communist free enterprise.

And yet you've yet to prove anything in this poor excuse of a rebuttal. You've only proved that you either a) cannot read or b) choose to ignore my posts to that you can remain in your cage of circular logic.

[Arteonur]

Even Karl Marx said that before communism there has to be capitalism to make money, what else do I need to say

Anyway, for me a government should be medium-sized and ensure basic services like healthcare, security, education etc. and the taxation should be progressive. Economically I think that a government should privatize almost everything, be pro-business, support the corporations and let the markets do their job. Communism does not fit in today's society...

This is just my opinion, I respect yours so I'm expecting that you do the same

[Mavorpen]

By the Communists own admission, a true communist state has never existed, and if a true communist state has never existed there is no evidence to suggest that it would actually work, thus communism is faith-based. Communism being faith-based, is no better than Christianity or any other religion.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that communism is a failure because a communist state has never existed, despite its goal of not having a state? This is the stupidest thing I've read yet. It's like screaming at your dog, "WHY AREN'T YOU A CAT!? YOU'RE A FAILURE!"

Based on this logic alone, though, one can correctly assume that Communism is inherently flawed and impractical.

Or you just don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

Communism - Economic and social system in which all (or nearly all) property and resources are collectively owned by a classless society and not by individual citizens

This definition is wrong.

Anyone with even an elementary understanding of human nature/biology as well as a shred of common sense knows that the very definition goes against human nature.

Nope.

Class is natural occurrence, and the development of money and private property made trade easier as well as allowed wealth to accumulate.

Rape is a natural occurrence. What's your point? Of course wealth accumulates in a society that is materialistic. Again, it's like petting your dog on the head and congratulating them for being a dog.

Considering the advantages of capitalism in regards to human nature, no wonder communist governments are known for their draconian laws, tough punishments and horrible living conditions. As human nature will naturally rebel, so persistent will the Government become in pursuit of its idealistic goals that it will natural expand to suppress the very people it ironically sought to free.

Capitalism has no advantages in human nature. No communist government has has draconian laws. No communist government has had horrible living conditions.

In laymen terms Communism is immoral, idiotic and as faith-based as religion.

In laymen terms, you need to read a book.