Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

[Reploid Productions]

Cause we're fucking awesome. And left wing women put out without a ring on their finger.

Well now that's a gross stereotype and a lousy reason to claim one side of the political spectrum is better. I'm pretty sure there are easy women on both sides, and women on both sides who won't 'put out without a ring on their finger.'

[Zaras]

Shutting down hospitals, while dumb, still doesn't strike me as enough to put him in "menace to society" mode. I mean, he's not actively trying to destroy the welfare state.

I do see your point, and I agree that "menace to society" may be exaggerating a bit, but what he stands for and is doing, may destroy many people's and familie's lifes. All I am saying is that you should not idolizing him, there are far better politicians to look up to.

I never said I idolised him! I just said I don't see the point of hating him.

I prefer Einar Gerhardsen for Norwegian PMs anyway.

[Vestr-Norig]

Not all of them. Just the ones he sees as inneffective and insufficient, which is quite a few. The distance for people to travel matters not to him. Not he alone, of course, but also by the rest of the leaders of the party he represents, and the bureaucrats he seem to have grown such a custom to. As Vecherd said, no touch with the common man whatsoever. As people who know him has said so often, he seems to enjoy being around the "intellectual elite" rather than common men.

Why would he care? He could pretty much do what ever he likes.

Indeed. More of the power of the political parties should be in the hands of the grassroots of the parties, rather than only on the political leaders. It is a question about democracy (or in this case, the lack of it).

[Zaras]

As my dad says; when the Republicans talk about a brown skinned non-Christian socialist who gave people free healthcare, they aren't talking about Obama, they're talking about Jesus.

What have the Romans done for us lately?

... free healthcare?

Oh shut up! Free healthcare...

[Marxian 1848 Utopia]

I'm not sure how the civil rights movement is a manifestation of the "left."

You're deluded if you don't think the Civil Rights Movement was leftist.

MLK agitated for affirmative action and programs to redistribute wealth, for one.

It wasn't leftist nor rightist. It can't be understood in those kinds of simple political term. MLK didn't advocate for affirmative action, in fact he argued the contrary. He was a socio-marxist of a kind with some of his views, but racial equality under the law and the avocation of said equality in culture and society isn't something that can or should be contributed to a political movement.

[Zaras]

Cause we're fucking awesome. And left wing women put out without a ring on their finger.

Well now that's a gross stereotype and a lousy reason to claim one side of the political spectrum is better. I'm pretty sure there are easy women on both sides, and women on both sides who won't 'put out without a ring on their finger.'

What Rep said. Horsefish, get the fuck off my side, we don't need sexists on it.

[Sondstead]

Cause we're fucking awesome. And left wing women put out without a ring on their finger.

But they're all ugly. >:

Ever heard of Ana Kasparian? And it's not like Hillary Clinton is looking bad for 64 either.

[Zaras]

You're deluded if you don't think the Civil Rights Movement was leftist.

MLK agitated for affirmative action and programs to redistribute wealth, for one.

It wasn't leftist nor rightist. It can't be understood in those kinds of simple political term. MLK didn't advocate for affirmative action, in fact he argued the contrary. He was a socio-marxist of a kind with some of his views, but racial equality under the law and the avocation of said equality in culture and society isn't something that can or should be contributed to a political movement.

It was a political movement by virtue of the fact that there was an organised political party opposed to it.

And it's still a political movement because some people seem to regard the promotion of equality in culture and society as somehow un-American or shit.

[Scrooge Mc Duck Company]

Exactly. Now you are getting my point and it seems we both agree to this matter. Money is nothing more than a mean of assessing and rewarding overall effort. It's important, in order to maintain the faireness of the exchange system.

So I don't want to hear again you leftists talking crap for example: "money is evil" or "money is not essential". (not you Zaras, generally speaking).

I hate it when people get that Bible quote wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, ferfuckssake!

Then again, there's quite a bit in the Bible that sounds left-wing...

And then again, let's all remember an important speech about free market and the greed that money cause:

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of mankind."

~ Gordon Gekko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscG3k91s58

[Algaia]

Profits are always going to be a major priority since with out them a company sinks, however, my dad owns a multi national company and he is a pretty decent guy...the media doesn't usually do a story on those type of people because they're boring to read about so the general populace mostly hears about the company owners that are border line evil.

Yeah, well, have you seen some of Alien Space Bats' posts? Deregulation since the 1980s seems to have increased the distance between companies and their customers and encouraged a corrupt culture where you aren't expected to think twice before fucking somebody over for profit.

I'm sure your dad's a swell guy, but just because some people are good doesn't mean laws to punish wrongdoers aren't necessary. Most people don't steal or murder, but we still need laws against it, y'know?

Yes I understand what you are saying and I think we are most likely at least partially on the same side of the argument just to different degrees...if my dad wasn't a big business owner then your post probably wouldn't have even hit a nerve with me lol

[Vestr-Norig]

I do see your point, and I agree that "menace to society" may be exaggerating a bit, but what he stands for and is doing, may destroy many people's and familie's lifes. All I am saying is that you should not idolizing him, there are far better politicians to look up to.

I never said I idolised him! I just said I don't see the point of hating him.

I prefer Einar Gerhardsen for Norwegian PMs anyway.

Many foreign leftists sadly do, though.
Einar Gerhardsen is (or rather were) preferable to Stoltenberg, indeed.

[Zaras]

But they're all ugly. >:

Ever heard of Ana Kasparian? And it's not like Hillary Clinton is looking bad for 64 either.

Sond! We're not pro-objectification!

[Zaras]

I hate it when people get that Bible quote wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, ferfuckssake!

Then again, there's quite a bit in the Bible that sounds left-wing...

And then again, let's all remember an important speech about free market and the greed that money cause:

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of mankind."

~ Gordon Gekko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscG3k91s58

You realise the irony, yes?

Oliver Stone does not want you, the viewer, to agree with Gordon Gekko here! Hell, not even the actor who played him agreed with the character here! This is a caricatural statement!

Greed has never worked better than mutual cooperation, aid and friendship.

[Sondstead]

Ever heard of Ana Kasparian? And it's not like Hillary Clinton is looking bad for 64 either.

Sond! We're not pro-objectification!

I know, I know, I was joking. If it makes you feel better, I can be equal opportunity and talk about attractive conservative men next.

[Young Democratic Socialists]

I am a leftist. I though do not like communism. I am a Democratic Socialists. I am opposed to communism, fascism, imperialism, capitalism, American government.

[Socialdemokraterne]

I tried to answer with the most insanely left-wing answers I could manage, and I still got most percentage agreement with Obama.

Srsly wtf.

...maybe you're just a poser.

It's actually more likely your emphases than anything else. Did you also answer the extra questions?

[Marxian 1848 Utopia]

It wasn't leftist nor rightist. It can't be understood in those kinds of simple political term. MLK didn't advocate for affirmative action, in fact he argued the contrary. He was a socio-marxist of a kind with some of his views, but racial equality under the law and the avocation of said equality in culture and society isn't something that can or should be contributed to a political movement.

It was a political movement by virtue of the fact that there was an organised political party opposed to it.

And it's still a political movement because some people seem to regard the promotion of equality in culture and society as somehow un-American or shit.

Yes, but the political party opposed to it at the time, specifically in the South was part of the American left at the time. However that wasn't a complete representation of the left at that time, most specifically in the Northeast and in the West. But that is irrelevant. No American now dissents to the idea of equality for all under the law. However the notion of forced "equality" by the government upon individuals in matters of finances, property, schools, economics, ect is not advocated for completely by neither of the two current political parties.

[Zaras]

I am a leftist. I though do not like communism. I am a Democratic Socialists. I am opposed to communism, fascism, imperialism, capitalism, American government.

Some leftist you are.

Why are you opposed to communism? And don't fucking bring up Stalinism. Of The Free Socialist Territories already has a thread about how Stalinism isn't communism.

[The Black Forrest]

So how exactly do the lefties look to control?

I thought they tended to be stoned a great deal........

Joseph Stalin.... ring a bell?

Oooowwww...... I forgot...... he wasn't. He just happened accidently to control a massive socialist state.

You know what I hate more than leftists? Hypocrite and clueless leftists.

Ok 60 or so years ago.

What they trying to do lately?

Shall we go down a list of right-winger countries?

[Zaras]

I tried to answer with the most insanely left-wing answers I could manage, and I still got most percentage agreement with Obama.

Srsly wtf.

...maybe you're just a poser.

It's actually more likely your emphases than anything else. Did you also answer the extra questions?

Yeah... I did set everything to "maximum importance" because I thought I'd unbalance the thing and get a ridiculous result.

I even said, like, legalise drugs, more ecology, more regulation, easier to become a citizen, all the things.

[Horsefish]

What Rep said. Horsefish, get the fuck off my side, we don't need sexists on it.

Fucking hell, it's a joke.

[Zaras]

So how exactly do the lefties look to control?

I thought they tended to be stoned a great deal........

Joseph Stalin.... ring a bell?

Oooowwww...... I forgot...... he wasn't. He just happened accidently to control a massive socialist state.

You know what I hate more than leftists? Hypocrite and clueless leftists.

URGH. READ THIS. READ IT READ IT READ IT

[Zaras]

What Rep said. Horsefish, get the fuck off my side, we don't need sexists on it.

Fucking hell, it's a joke.

It could've been more obviously satirical though. Make it more blatant you're mocking the mindset and all that.

[The Fedralized Democracy of Pacifica]

Because we swarm political simulators like moths swarm light.

[Marxian 1848 Utopia]

I am a leftist. I though do not like communism. I am a Democratic Socialists. I am opposed to communism, fascism, imperialism, capitalism, American government.

Some leftist you are.

Why are you opposed to communism? And don't fucking bring up Stalinism. Of The Free Socialist Territories already has a thread about how Stalinism isn't communism.

Stalin simply followed the communist manfesto to it's logical conclusion concerning a political system. Communism by nature is highly statist/fascist in nature as it doesn't allow for a "counter revolution" nor for its control over every aspect of society to be relinquished. The communist manifesto and Marx himself endorse the notion of force to bring about communism and then to sustain it.