Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

[Zaras]

In 2004, Max Barry voted for the Australian Labor Party, which is center-left.

http://www.maxbarry.com/2004/10/03/

I'm not actually certain I understand how there's a correlation between Max Barry's political affiliation and the political makeup of the forums on his website, let alone a causative relationship.

We don't actually know what nation Max plays as, or if he has multiple nations, so...

[Vecherd]

Yeah, they're frothing at the mouth insane severely conservative.

So why would I like them?

[Zaras]

Marixsm promotes the violent overthrow of the woops-borquiese or however you spell it.

and i do grasp that nazism is worse, but not by much.

Oh, no, oh, no, by MUCH. By quite a fucking lot Nazism's worse than everything.

Marx endorsed violent overthrow of the ruling classes because history is driven by class struggle.

[Ceannairceach]

Wanting to create a stateless, classless, currencyless society based on common ownership of the means of production and from each according to their ability, to each according to their need

VERSUS

Trying to genocide every Jewish person for the crime of being Jewish.

Yes. Being an extreme leftist is better than being a Nazi. ANYTHING is better than being a Nazi. If you don't grasp this, there's no hope for you.

Marixsm promotes the violent overthrow of the woops-borquiese or however you spell it.

and i do grasp that nazism is worse, but not by much.

"Violent" does not quite mean "massacre". A less-than-bloodless coup could be the method.

[Marxian 1848 Utopia]

I rarely see conservatives on NSG, and often they're radical ideologues that would make the Tea Party proud. And as for the left-wingers, they also sound quite extreme- many of them are social democrats if not outright socialists. This is reflected in the country classification distributions to some extent, but even more so when I participate in debates- most of the time I end up getting attacked from both sides. What draws the left wing to NSG? Is it because most NSGers are teenagers? Or is there some other reason?

As I've heard one older person say: "I was a Liberal until I was mugged by Reality." Usually as people get older, they become less liberal. Whether that's good or bad is up to personal opinion.

I'm extremely conservative myself, but I'm not a Neo-con so according to most conservatives I know; I'm a diehard liberal. I did some sort of political site test and I sided with Gary Johnson 98% and Ron Paul about 95%. That should give you an idea as to what kind of conservative I am. (The non-legislative kind for the most part.) I would call myself a social libertarian and national laissez faire economist; a.k.a classical liberal.

Terms these days.

[Socialdemokraterne]

In truth, I found this website while looking around for supplementary information about Fallout factions. I really like the NCR, and I accidentally stumbled across an NS version of the New California Republic. I stayed because I was interested in creating my own little fictional country, and thus the Republic of Social Democrats was born.

I wasn't lured in by any particular political agenda, I just wanted to play a game. I stayed active in the forums because they amuse me and I get to talk to people of all sorts of different political schools. I didn't even know the first thing about Anarcho-Capitalism until I talked to Distruzio.

[Zaras]

Yeah, they're frothing at the mouth insane severely conservative.

So why would I like them?

I didn't say you like them, I said you sound like them by calling Stoltenberg a menace to society. I mean, come on, he isn't Dave fucking Cameron.

[Aethyopea]

I actually think that Max is either pretty centrist or apolitical overall. He says in his blog that he's relatively pro-capitalist, pro-corporate and pro-globalisation (http://www.maxbarry.com/2005/01/20/news.html) . I think I once watching a video of a lecture (don't ask me to find it though. I have no idea when I saw it and if I even saw it at all) that he gave on some event where he mentions that he disliked many of the practices he saw when studying marketing, so maybe the problem is that people look at his parodies of marketing departments and think it's a criticism of capitalism (in the same way that people often think Dilbert is anti-capitalist while the author said he wasn't)?

In 2004, Max Barry voted for the Australian Labor Party, which is center-left.

http://www.maxbarry.com/2004/10/03/

He mentioned in that post that he voted for Labout because it was the opposition at the time and he disliked wanted to punish the incumbent government for lying about several things, not because he agreed with their ideas.

[North Calaveras]

Marixsm promotes the violent overthrow of the woops-borquiese or however you spell it.

and i do grasp that nazism is worse, but not by much.

Oh, no, oh, no, by MUCH. By quite a fucking lot Nazism's worse than everything.

Marx endorsed violent overthrow of the ruling classes because history is driven by class struggle.

Why are they a lot worse? because they don't include everyone into there group except the rich?

What's difference between " Fuck the rich"

and " Fuck the jews/gays/etc etc" which can include rich peope as well.

[Zaras]

Usually as people get older, they become less liberal. Whether that's good or bad is up to personal opinion.

Wait, is there something that makes people care less about others/be more intolerant as they grow up?

[Vestr-Norig]

So is Stoltenberg but he still is allowed to kill people in Muslim countries. Also he didnt support the attack. Even the tabloids says he didnt.

The fact that you call Stoltenberg a menace to society just shows your lunacy. Are you a teapartier who accidentally ended up in Norway?

There is indeed something in what Vecherd says, though. The arrogant idiot they call a prime minister literally called the people of my district for whiny after having closed down the only hospital in the district, the nearest other one being more than three hours away from the district.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I rarely see conservatives on NSG, and often they're radical ideologues that would make the Tea Party proud. And as for the left-wingers, they also sound quite extreme- many of them are social democrats if not outright socialists. This is reflected in the country classification distributions to some extent, but even more so when I participate in debates- most of the time I end up getting attacked from both sides. What draws the left wing to NSG? Is it because most NSGers are teenagers? Or is there some other reason?

As I've heard one older person say: "I was a Liberal until I was mugged by Reality." Usually as people get older, they become less liberal. Whether that's good or bad is up to personal opinion.

I'm extremely conservative myself, but I'm not a Neo-con so according to most conservatives I know; I'm a diehard liberal. I did some sort of political site test and I sided with Gary Johnson 98% and Ron Paul about 95%. That should give you an idea as to what kind of conservative I am. (The non-legislative kind for the most part.) I would call myself a social libertarian and national laissez faire economist; a.k.a classical liberal.

Terms these days.

I think alot of this place is social libertarian now that I think about it.

Live and let live I guess.

[Ceannairceach]

Oh, no, oh, no, by MUCH. By quite a fucking lot Nazism's worse than everything.

Marx endorsed violent overthrow of the ruling classes because history is driven by class struggle.

Why are they a lot worse? because they don't include everyone into there group except the rich?

What's difference between " Fuck the rich"

and " Fuck the jews/gays/etc etc" which can include rich peope as well.

Perhaps because you can not be rich. It is quite hard to not be gay, Jewish, or what have you.

[Bojikami]

Because being right-wing is boring. COMMUNISM! SOCIALISM! That's where its at.

[Vitius]

Because NSG tends to attract intelligent people with a sophisticated understanding of their world who value individual liberty and economic freedom.

That's odd. You're not even new here...

[Zaras]

What's difference between " Fuck the rich" and " Fuck the jews/gays/etc etc" which can include rich peope as well.

Do I really have to fucking explain this to you? Are you Walter "Radar" O'Reilly or something?!

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "Fuck the rich because they exploit us and don't care about us, conspicuously consuming in their cozy bubbles of privilege while we're consigned to a life of invisible poverty. Overthrow them for equality and great justice!" and "Fuck the Jews, they're <insert anti-Semitic stereotype here>, so we should kill them because they're Jews! You know, because they totally chose to be Jews and all! It's EBUL!".

[Socialdemokraterne]

I'm extremely conservative myself, but I'm not a Neo-con so according to most conservatives I know; I'm a diehard liberal. I did some sort of political site test and I sided with Gary Johnson 98% and Ron Paul about 95%.

I got about 92% similarity to Jill Stein for the 2012 presidential election, so that's about where I fall in US politics I suppose. If I thought she actually stood a chance I'd vote for her.

[Sondstead]

I am not racist, I am not anti-Semitic, I am an atheist, not an Islamophobe.

Fascism isn't inherently racist, you really ought to research it.

I am aware. I am also aware that I was being... Let's say hyperbolic. Between your signature and your assertion of being a "British Nationalist" (Again, note the capital "N", I made the leap in reasoning (And it did not seem like a very far leap) to the British National Party.

Wait, British nationalists have friends?

Hey, let's be fair, you can be a nationalist (Loving your country, honestly even thinking your country is better than other countries isn't an extraordinarily unfriendly or harmful belief, as long as you don't think that means other countries or societies should be destroyed or forcibly changed) without being the kind of arsehole who would be a big-N British Nationalist (i e a BNP member).

Oh the Tea Party? I thought those guys were conservative?

The Tea Party, the political movement, not the Canadian band I love. Yeah, they're frothing at the mouth insane severely conservative.

No, to be fair to real conservatives, they are fanatically religious social and economic reactionaries. David Cameron, Fredik Reinfeldt, and Jon Huntsman are conservatives, who believe that the system and society works and want to fine tune it to make it work better and make incremental steps forward in areas where it is not working, which is a perfectly respectable goal. The Tea Party are extremists who want to turn the clock back to the Gilded Age.

[Scrooge Mc Duck Company]

Sorry about getting lost in the shuffle, but I've gone over your post. I don't disagree with it, but I don't necessarily see how it contradicts what Adam is saying. Ancient societies that were sufficiently small in population made do without currency and organised along proto-communist lines based on communal ownership...

Ok, I will bring you a simple example.

Let's say I can design cars and you can make lollypops. I want so much to have a lollypop! And you need a car so badly!
So we make a deal. I'll make a car for you and you'll make a lollypop for me. Again, it's a very theoritical example targeting on your leftists view about "product exchange market".

So we start.

-You make the lollypop in one hour mostly (You where watching TV at the same time ).
-As for me, I spend dozens of hours designing, manufacturing and finally assembling the car. The energy I've put in this project is immensly great, the resources I have used are difficult to find and manufacture, not to mention the risk of getting an accident, etc.

The time for the exchange has come. But as you can see (and mostly I), the essence of the exchange is not beneficial for me, only for you. (That's the point where you all are wrong) So I say to you: "Hey, you know what, I 've tried so hard for this car-much harder than you. So to balance the supply, I ask you to make 999 lollypops more in order to equal my workhours. I am not stupid." So there you have your first currency: 1 car= 1000 lollypops (and there is the point when all the things about money and exchange market begin). No money, no nothing like that. Only workhour and workforce.

If you didn't get it, let me know.

[Zaras]

The fact that you call Stoltenberg a menace to society just shows your lunacy. Are you a teapartier who accidentally ended up in Norway?

There is indeed something in what Vecherd says, though. The arrogant idiot they call a prime minister literally called the people of my district for whiny after having closed down the only hospital in the district, the nearest other one being more than three hours away from the district.

That's one thing.

...nnnnnnnnnot convinced. By that standard, Erdoğan is a menace to society for insulting a farmer in an election campaign, or Prescott is a menace to society for punching a farmer in 2001.

Can't you do better than that?

[Jakaragua]

Because more young, tech-minded people tend to be rather socially liberal.

[North Calaveras]

What's difference between " Fuck the rich" and " Fuck the jews/gays/etc etc" which can include rich peope as well.

Do I really have to fucking explain this to you? Are you Walter "Radar" O'Reilly or something?!

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "Fuck the rich because they exploit us and don't care about us, conspicuously consuming in their cozy bubbles of privilege while we're consigned to a life of invisible poverty. Overthrow them for equality and great justice!" and "Fuck the Jews, they're <insert anti-Semitic stereotype here>, so we should kill them because they're Jews! You know, because they totally chose to be Jews and all! It's EBUL!".

there is not much of a difference between


Fuck the rich(gay/black/white/straight/jewish) they are exploiting us

Fuck the (gay/black/jew etc etc) they are exploting us

[Vecherd]

So why would I like them?

I didn't say you like them, I said you sound like them by calling Stoltenberg a menace to society. I mean, come on, he isn't Dave fucking Cameron.

No, he is worse. On most issues, he has no respect for the common man and was born to be a politician, elitism at its worst.

[Zaras]

I'm extremely conservative myself, but I'm not a Neo-con so according to most conservatives I know; I'm a diehard liberal. I did some sort of political site test and I sided with Gary Johnson 98% and Ron Paul about 95%.

I got about 92% similarity to Jill Stein for the 2012 presidential election, so that's about where I fall in US politics I suppose. If I thought she actually stood a chance I'd vote for her.

I tried to answer with the most insanely left-wing answers I could manage, and I still got most percentage agreement with Obama.

Srsly wtf.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Do I really have to fucking explain this to you? Are you Walter "Radar" O'Reilly or something?!

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "Fuck the rich because they exploit us and don't care about us, conspicuously consuming in their cozy bubbles of privilege while we're consigned to a life of invisible poverty. Overthrow them for equality and great justice!" and "Fuck the Jews, they're <insert anti-Semitic stereotype here>, so we should kill them because they're Jews! You know, because they totally chose to be Jews and all! It's EBUL!".

there is not much of a difference between


Fuck the rich(gay/black/white/straight/jewish) they are exploiting us

Fuck the (gay/black/jew etc etc) they are exploting us

Population wise, that's a bigass difference.