Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

[Zaras]

I swear I did the copypasta thing before, but if you look at the actual definition of fascism, fascism can't exist without bigotry. Fascism is based on bigotry and hatred.

You do not know what fascism is. Fascism is based on the principle of a "strong man" in charge of everything (basically an absolute monarchy without the ceremony). The character of the fascist regime is based upon the character of the leader.

"Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[5]"
"Fascism seeks to solve economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.[32][179][180][181][182]"
"Italian fascists described expansionist imperialism as a necessity."
"Many fascist movements support the creation of a totalitarian state. Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism states, 'The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.'[193] Some have argued that, in spite of Italian Fascism's attempt at totalitarianism, it became an authoritarian cult of personality around Mussolini.[194]"
"Fascist movements have commonly held social Darwinist views of nations, races, and societies.[191] They argue that nations and races must purge themselves of socially and biologically weak or degenerate people, while simultaneously promoting the creation of strong people, in order to survive in a world defined by perpetual national and racial conflict.[197]

Italian Fascist philosopher Giovanni Gentile in The Origins and Doctrine of Fascism promoted the concept of conflict as an act of progress, stating that "mankind only progresses through division, and progress is achieved through the clash and victory of one side over another".[189] Italian Fascist Alfredo Rocco claimed that conflict was inevitable."
"Fascism promoted principles of masculine heroism, militarism and discipline, and rejected cultural pluralism and multiculturalism.[217]"

So, you were saying you didn't know anything about fascism?

[Inyourfaceistan]

those on the Left still cant see their own bias -- so what else is new.

Is it only the Left?

I think people in general tend to play down their bias of things.

You can say that agai

[Inyourfaceistan]

You do not know what fascism is. Fascism is based on the principle of a "strong man" in charge of everything (basically an absolute monarchy without the ceremony). The character of the fascist regime is based upon the character of the leader.

Fascism is best described by the Nazis: National Socialism. It's basicly the principle that It is the responsibility of government to fix the social and economic issues of the country (often why a singular leader is chosen) except with an anti-immigrant, racial Darwinian spin on things.

[The Black Forrest]

Yet again one liners without context and mod responses have no value in claims.

For that matter, you need to provide links.

I'm not going to provide links to all the posts, I got more important things to do. However, they are all legit. Nonetheless if you dont believe me, then pick a single ad hominem from the list I will provide the link to that specific post.

but really what is the point -- i prove those on the left are intolerant and bigoted and I present preponderence of evidence that any objective, rational and independent thinking individual can plainly understand and.................

those on the Left still cant see their own bias -- so what else is new.

I see you want to continue with making unsubstantiated claims.

All you have shown is that you were punished for violating rules and you want to scream "NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!"

You are also not helping your cause by spreading lies about the mods and some conspiracy theory of trying to eliminate Right/Conservative/whatever minded people.

If you are getting trashed, make a better argument.

[North Calaveras]

You do not know what fascism is. Fascism is based on the principle of a "strong man" in charge of everything (basically an absolute monarchy without the ceremony). The character of the fascist regime is based upon the character of the leader.

Fascism is best described by the Nazis: National Socialism. It's basicly the principle that It is the responsibility of government to fix the social and economic issues of the country (often why a singular leader is chosen) except with an anti-immigrant, racial Darwinian spin on things.

we must remember Fascism isn't Nazism, Nazism is simply a sub-faction of Fascism

[Inyourfaceistan]

Fascism is best described by the Nazis: National Socialism. It's basicly the principle that It is the responsibility of government to fix the social and economic issues of the country (often why a singular leader is chosen) except with an anti-immigrant, racial Darwinian spin on things.

we must remember Fascism isn't Nazism, Nazism is simply a sub-faction of Fascism

I never said it was. I said the nazis just summed it up best.

Although I'm supprised a bunch of "socialists" haven't came and given me Wikipedia articles about how the nazis weren't socialist...

[Zaras]

we must remember Fascism isn't Nazism, Nazism is simply a sub-faction of Fascism

I never said it was. I said the nazis just summed it up best.

Although I'm supprised a bunch of "socialists" haven't came and given me Wikipedia articles about how the nazis weren't socialist...

Any person with a shred of intelligence already knows they aren't.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I never said it was. I said the nazis just summed it up best.

Although I'm supprised a bunch of "socialists" haven't came and given me Wikipedia articles about how the nazis weren't socialist...

Any person with a shred of intelligence already knows they aren't.

http://www.geniebusters.org/what-is-national-socialism.htm
That's an article with a lot of context, basicly advocating National Socialism. Although according to the author, it's not true-blue Marxist socialism, they sure did borrow a lot of ideas from their fellow anti-caps...

Enough to rethink the whole little "nazis weren't socialists" lie...

[Zaras]

Enough to rethink the whole little "nazis weren't socialists" lie...

Lyle Burkhead is a drooling moron.

National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5] Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[6] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.[7] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national survival.[8][9]

Nazism philosophy claimed that the so-called Aryan master race was superior to all other races.[10] To maintain what it regarded as the purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to ethnically cleanse Jews and Romani, and exterminate the physically and mentally disabled.[11] Other groups deemed "degenerate" or "asocial" received exclusionary treatment by the Nazi state and included homosexuals, blacks, Jehovah's Witnesses and political opponents.[11] The Nazis promoted German territorial expansionism to gain Lebensraum ("living space") for German settlers and to bring labor, food and materials into the nation for growth.[12][13]

Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary".[14] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined "socialism" as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community.[14] Hitler claimed that "true" socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism."[15] Hitler claimed that unconditional equality of opportunity for all "racially sound" Aryan males was the essence of the "Socialism" of "National Socialism".[16] Initially, Nazi political strategy used anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric.[17] This was downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support of industrial owners, and it shifted more to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[17] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences.[18][19] The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity.[20] Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.[21]

So quit spewing bullshit about Nazis being socialists. The Nazis repressed the Socialists and Communists, for fuck's sake!

[Tagmatium]

So quit spewing bullshit about Nazis being socialists. The Nazis repressed the Socialists and Communists, for fuck's sake!

Well, the more socialist faction, the SA, was stomped on during the Night of the Long Knives.

[Ardchoille]

"Nazism vs socialism" isn't the topic. Please take that discussion to another thread.

Also, this is trolling:

Any person with a shred of intelligence already knows they aren't.

It's saying "If you are a person who disagrees with me, you haven't a shred of intelligence".

NS Mantra 1: Attack the argument, not the poster.

Also, everybody, keep it polite. Aggressive phrasing doesn't further the debate.

NS Mantra 2: Play nice.

[Zaras]

"Nazism vs socialism" isn't the topic. Please take that discussion to another thread.

Also, this is trolling:

Any person with a shred of intelligence already knows they aren't.

It's saying "If you are a person who disagrees with me, you haven't a shred of intelligence".

NS Mantra 1: Attack the argument, not the poster.

Also, everybody, keep it polite. Aggressive phrasing doesn't further the debate.

NS Mantra 2: Play nice.

Sorry, Ard. You're right. I'll stop now.

[Ora Amaris]

It's a well-known fact that reality has a liberal bias.

[Farnhamia]

It's a well-known fact that reality has a liberal bias.

I wonder how well known it is, considering the number of people we see here who have trouble grasping the idea.

[Ora Amaris]

It's a well-known fact that reality has a liberal bias.

I wonder how well known it is, considering the number of people we see here who have trouble grasping the idea.

Indeed.
You know, I always find it humorous that the media in the United States legitimizes the Republican Party instead of exposing it for what it is: an anti-intellectual denial movement run by plutocratic psychopaths.

[Kvatchdom]

I wonder how well known it is, considering the number of people we see here who have trouble grasping the idea.

Indeed.
You know, I always find it humorous that the media in the United States legitimizes the Republican Party instead of exposing it for what it is: an anti-intellectual denial movement run by plutocratic psychopaths.

And the Democratic Party is quite the same, except with intellectual leanings and better skills of lying to the populace about your aims in the economy. Both parties want to upkeep the current plutocracy.

[Sociobiology]

I am willing to bet left wingers on NS would ask why there are so many right wingers on NSG.

[Zaras]

I am willing to bet left wingers on NS would ask why there are so many right wingers on NSG.

Why would we care?

[The Nuclear Fist]

And the Democratic Party is quite the same, except with intellectual leanings and better skills of lying to the populace about your aims in the economy. Both parties want to upkeep the current plutocracy.

I love the taste of false equivalence in the morning.

[Anarchists communists and other pinkos]

The nazi's were basically invented to stop socialism.

[Distruzio]

Absolutely. Regardless, Nord isn't respecting people. He is explicitly stating that, where others disagree with him, he seeks to enforce his will upon them. Which is just as ridiculous as the liberal who seeks to impose their perspectives on those of us who disagree with them.

He (and anyone else who claims, "you are entitled to your opinion") is actually saying, "I disagree with you. You're still fucking wrong. Fuck off, I'm right.... nutbag."


The only polite way to disagree is to say, "I disagree. Here is why...."

No, I really do respect their views. Just because I am a conservative does not mean I do not respect their views. I do not consider myself a reactionary anymore. While I am still strongly pro- life and anti- gay, I believe each individual state should decide on their own whether they want to legalize or outlaw these two issues.

While this is progress, Nord, and I agree with you, I have to ask - where does it stop?

What I mean to ask is that if you believe that the states should be the arbiters of civil rights relating to national concerns, then what about cities and other municipalities?

For instance, the city in which I live is relatively liberally inclined compared to the rest of Georgia and it would not likely adopt anti-homosexual marriage rights legislation. Yet, if you agree that this is an issue not to be decided at a national level, then what of the state level? What of the city level? Should cities enjoy the freedom to recognize or deny homosexual marriage rights just as the states do?

From my own perspective, I believe they should. I will argue for states rights concerning these issues, but within the realm of state politics, I'd argue for the rights of counties, cities, and other municipalities in much the same way alcohol sales issues are decided.

[Divair]

I am willing to bet left wingers on NS would ask why there are so many right wingers on NSG.

Compared to the real world, there aren't many right wingers here.

[The Reasonable]

I am willing to bet left wingers on NS would ask why there are so many right wingers on NSG.

Compared to the real world, there aren't many right wingers here.

And this is why I asked the question. It all depends on the environment. My school is overwhelmingly left-wing (but not nearly as much as around here), but the outside (the American South- I live in Georgia) is reactionary right-wing. I'm considered moderate to somewhat conservative at school and a downright socialist on the outside. It just so happens that there doesn't seem to be as many Americans here as I would have thought, and most of the Europeans, Australians, Canadians, etc on this site are extreme to a liberal American such as myself.

[Free Soviets]

I am willing to bet left wingers on NS would ask why there are so many right wingers on NSG.

the bigger mystery is how they all believe in austrian economics or are nazis.

[Keronians]

Because what's centrist in Canada and Europe is left in America.

Also yes, NS has a younger demographic, and teenagers tend to be more liberal than the overall population.