Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

[North Calaveras]

Technically in my case It will be "This well defend" but yeah

Then I guess my statement will be more for me, but thanks for the support. YUT!

Your a marine? I just swore into the army a little over a month ago.

[Avaerilon]

Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

Well, for a start, Max Barry is "left-wing."

[North Calaveras]

Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

Well, for a start, Max Barry is "left-wing."

If his book is anything to go by, I havn't even read it but it seems to make government out to be the savior.

[Capul VI]

Then I guess my statement will be more for me, but thanks for the support. YUT!

Your a marine? I just swore into the army a little over a month ago.

Ah yes... swearing in...that was a long day.

Yep though I decided to get out little over a year back. Good times man, I kinda miss it.
What your MOS?

[North Calaveras]

Your a marine? I just swore into the army a little over a month ago.

Ah yes... swearing in...that was a long day.

Yep though I decided to get out little over a year back. Good times man, I kinda miss it.
What your MOS?

Military Police, leave January 28th for Fort Leonard Wood Missouri

[Capul VI]

Ah yes... swearing in...that was a long day.

Yep though I decided to get out little over a year back. Good times man, I kinda miss it.
What your MOS?

Military Police, leave January 28th for Fort Leonard Wood Missouri

Missouri eh? ya I heard some horror stories from there. You should have fun though. If your planning on getting out after your contract expires your golden for a law enforcement position.

I went the classic 0311 route-infantry.

[North Calaveras]

Military Police, leave January 28th for Fort Leonard Wood Missouri

Missouri eh? ya I heard some horror stories from there. You should have fun though. If your planning on getting out after your contract expires your golden for a law enforcement position.

I went the classic 0311 route-infantry.

oh cool, my twin bro just got back from infantry training(though hes doing national guard)

[Tagmatium]

If you're planning on getting out after your contract expires your golden for a law enforcement position.

Is it good to have ex-military people in the police?

Always struck me as a bit... fishy.

[Mussoliniopoli]

If you're planning on getting out after your contract expires your golden for a law enforcement position.

Is it good to have ex-military people in the police?

Always struck me as a bit... fishy.

Law Enforcement isn't as excited about it in certain departments. It used to be a shoe in before people were seeing combat. Now they are finding officers who have seen combat can be a bit..."cowboy" in their attitude to danger on the street. I know some Parishes in Louisiana aren't that excited and spend a lot of time reeling them in.

[Capul VI]

Missouri eh? ya I heard some horror stories from there. You should have fun though. If your planning on getting out after your contract expires your golden for a law enforcement position.

I went the classic 0311 route-infantry.

oh cool, my twin bro just got back from infantry training(though hes doing national guard)

LOL the nasy guard.... sorry inter branch rivalry... I know a few guys that crossdecked into the national guard infantry. They feel under appreciated as infantrymen. Tell me its a bit more...lame for lack of a better word.
But thats just heresay. I wouldnt know because I am just a nasty civilian.
But i gotta bounce. If you ever have a question when it comes to recuiter shit lemme know i may be able to help.(recruiters lie) Get every 'promise' in writing.

[Tagmatium]

Is it good to have ex-military people in the police?

Always struck me as a bit... fishy.

Law Enforcement isn't as excited about it in certain departments. It used to be a shoe in before people were seeing combat. Now they are finding officers who have seen combat can be a bit..."cowboy" in their attitude to danger on the street. I know some Parishes in Louisiana aren't that excited and spend a lot of time reeling them in.

Doesn't surprise, really.

It just always struck me as not necessarily a good thing, especially in countries that have armed police forces.

[Zaras]

For a second I legitamently thought liberal fascism could exist. I personally don't see why it can't exist, why couldnt a fascist society exist without rascism/homophobia etc etc?

I swear I did the copypasta thing before, but if you look at the actual definition of fascism, fascism can't exist without bigotry. Fascism is based on bigotry and hatred.

[Mussoliniopoli]

Law Enforcement isn't as excited about it in certain departments. It used to be a shoe in before people were seeing combat. Now they are finding officers who have seen combat can be a bit..."cowboy" in their attitude to danger on the street. I know some Parishes in Louisiana aren't that excited and spend a lot of time reeling them in.

Doesn't surprise, really.

It just always struck me as not necessarily a good thing, especially in countries that have armed police forces.

A lot of officers who went straight into the career don't think it is a good thing either for similar reasons you cited. To be honest military service has actually been a hindrance more than it has helped careers regardless of how the military wants to spin it. If you have seen combat unless the employer is Gung Ho American they will likely take a pass. My Uncle can't find a job and he was a Command Sergeant Major in the Army with time over in Afghanistan.

[Tagmatium]

Doesn't surprise, really.

It just always struck me as not necessarily a good thing, especially in countries that have armed police forces.

A lot of officers who went straight into the career don't think it is a good thing either for similar reasons you cited. To be honest military service has actually been a hindrance more than it has helped careers regardless of how the military wants to spin it. If you have seen combat unless the employer is Gung Ho American they will likely take a pass. My Uncle can't find a job and he was a Command Sergeant Major in the Army with time over in Afghanistan.

Hmmm, that's unfortunate for him. I've been unemployed recently as well, and it sucks quite a lot.

I'm not sure what the percentage of police in the UK have been ex-Armed Forces, but it would be interesting to compare those two statistics. It does seem to be presented, at times, as the ideal environment for the ex-Armed Forces member, but whether this is just the military fluffing things I don't know. A lot of homeless people are also ex-Armed Forces, as they can't fit back into civilian life.

[Chumbawumba Island]

Oh, I missed this gem:



Seriously? Is that seriously how you view leftist thought?

No, but younger people do tend to be more liberal. I'm 17, btw.

This is because as people get older, they (generally speaking) become less able to deal with change, so become more and more Conservative as they become more and more ignorant of the true nature of reality; which is that everything is in constant change and flux. The more you accept and realise that, the more relaxed and happy you will be in life and the more compassionate you will be to other people. I believe eastern philosophies call it 'Nirvana'. Fortunately, some older people realise this and remain 'liberal'.

[Suzdal]

I am ardent left winger. Left wing of Tsarskoe Selo better than right.

[Stychia]

In constant price, 2010 American median household income is only 0.75% higher than what it was in 1989. This corresponds to a 0.04% annual increase over a 21-year period.[8] In the mean time, GDP per capita has increased by 32.5% or 1.35% annually.[9] -Wikipedia

The reason an average Joe would support the left-wing is obviously to make sure that everybody benefits from economic growth. I support European right-wing parties, but I think the US Democrats are too far to the right.

[Free Soviets]

Vaklor: The "freedom" to do whatever you want with morally-unjustifiable private claims to wealth has about as much to do with real freedom as does the "freedom" to hold a roomful of people at gunpoint. Real economic freedom comes from fundamental guarantees of equal access to social wealth so that we are free from having to subordinate our true selves to the preferences of others in order to ensure our future access to the material means of survival, and so that we have the economic guarantees that give up the freedom to pursue our own individual goals and potential.

yup. if we take standard notions of coercion seriously we are basically forced to accept redistribution-based guaranteed basic incomes as a necessary component for economic freedom, no matter what system of economic management we favor. it is very difficult to see how it could be otherwise.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

...and since you support giving carte-blanche handouts to those people, they'd be spending their days in leisure...but the service sector will be mostly unaffected. If machines can take over almost ALL jobs then...I might start agreeing. But even then, large scales of unemployment can be prevented by decreasing birth rates and population...

...Which means that the decrease in fertility rate in developed countries is good and rightful...

...Who said people won't have income, if there still are those service jobs? That being said- population should be decreased- too many people could also cause high unemployment...

I've bunched these three responses together, out of their normal order.

You keep saying things like 'population should be decreased'.

How exactly are you going to make that happen?

...Again, the structural unemployment that I've talked about. How about more researchers to improve the machines? How about more people required to maintain them? How about more scientists required?

The researchers and maintenance techs are a fraction of the population. They are a tiny number compared to the number of people automation replaces.

They get jobs from the service sector. Basically, they both provide and consume leisure.

Doesn't that seem ridiculously circular to you? Doesn't that seem like we're faking a demand just to create a supply, to funnel resources to the people that need it?

Wouldn't it be easier to just give them resources?

Personally, I find it insulting that you even consider me a libertarian.

I don't think I claimed that. That was more, I think, a comment on the general trend in the US, and specifically to the rise of Randism.

You really don't think I realize that? You really don't think that I don't know that the top 1% control almost 40% of the wealth? Do you really think that I haven't taken that closer look at the harsh realities of American politics? But how are you going to solve the problem? The future will even contain even more plutocracy, if you're right

Actually, if I'm right, it would create a meritocracy, but plutocracy is a possible alternate route. But then - as I said - plutocracy is what we've already got.

...which you may very well be...but what do you want to do to take care of it?

What is your ideology anyways? What do you support anyways?

My ideology is actually somewhat irrelevant - because I''m not talking about what I believe should happen - I'm talking about what I see as an inevitable aspect of our future - the rise of automation (I expect our energy creation to break it's strict limitations soon, also - which will exacerbate the situation) - and how it's going to massively displace workers.

What I'm really talking about is asking the QUESTION of how we're going to meet this situation head-on. Because our solution to it so far has been to say we think people need to get jobs - even if there are no jobs, and any jobs we create would be wasteful and just pointless busy-work.

We're really going to have to change our mindset in the next few years. We really need to change it now.

And I'm asking 'how'? I'm asking 'what's our new mindset'?

I'm asking those questions - I don't claim to have the answers.

I wouldn't say automation would change that much IMO, you would have much more efficient production done by a much smaller group of people, and a giant amount of unnecessary humans left over. The same exact state as before (in a way) except with fewer people. Seems like the only thing that changes (to me) is the amount of money saved by an owner, but even they have a smaller market if the unnecessary population is phased out, so IDK. Same shit different form?

[AuSable River]

I said:

'If you had a coherent post, I would respond.'

and I was banned

In contrast, the leftist said 'fuck you' and more besides, and none were banned:



I was banned, they weren't. by any objective, rational and independent thinking measure -- this is a gross example of double standards that are predominate from the left

and indeed, you dont seem to see it.

Hence, my point is confirmed on why this site is 1) predominately leftwing and 2) likely to stay that way when those on the left cannot see through their preconceived bias'.

Yet again one liners without context and mod responses have no value in claims.

For that matter, you need to provide links.

I'm not going to provide links to all the posts, I got more important things to do. However, they are all legit. Nonetheless if you dont believe me, then pick a single ad hominem from the list I will provide the link to that specific post.

but really what is the point -- i prove those on the left are intolerant and bigoted and I present preponderence of evidence that any objective, rational and independent thinking individual can plainly understand and.................

those on the Left still cant see their own bias -- so what else is new.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

those on the Left still cant see their own bias

Hypocrisy! So much hypocrisy!

Oh, and Papajacky's done a pretty good job of deconstructing your arguments across multiple threads.

[Magmia]

those on the Left still cant see their own bias -- so what else is new.

Is it only the Left?

I think people in general tend to play down their bias of things.

[Nidaria]

For a second I legitamently thought liberal fascism could exist. I personally don't see why it can't exist, why couldnt a fascist society exist without rascism/homophobia etc etc?

I swear I did the copypasta thing before, but if you look at the actual definition of fascism, fascism can't exist without bigotry. Fascism is based on bigotry and hatred.

You do not know what fascism is. Fascism is based on the principle of a "strong man" in charge of everything (basically an absolute monarchy without the ceremony). The character of the fascist regime is based upon the character of the leader.

[Nidaria]

those on the Left still cant see their own bias -- so what else is new.

Is it only the Left?

I think people in general tend to play down their bias of things.

Indeed, how true.

[Nordengrund]

Some people talk about respecting people but when you break it down it's simply being polite.

Absolutely. Regardless, Nord isn't respecting people. He is explicitly stating that, where others disagree with him, he seeks to enforce his will upon them. Which is just as ridiculous as the liberal who seeks to impose their perspectives on those of us who disagree with them.

He (and anyone else who claims, "you are entitled to your opinion") is actually saying, "I disagree with you. You're still fucking wrong. Fuck off, I'm right.... nutbag."


The only polite way to disagree is to say, "I disagree. Here is why...."

No, I really do respect their views. Just because I am a conservative does not mean I do not respect their views. I do not consider myself a reactionary anymore. While I am still strongly pro- life and anti- gay, I believe each individual state should decide on their own whether they want to legalize or outlaw these two issues.