Why are there so many left-wingers on NSG?

[The Black Forrest]

I do agree with Ausible that Liberals are jerks, but I still respect their opinions. They tear me apart for what I believe in, but I do not go around tearing them apart no matter how many times they do it to me.

You're supposed to do that. This a debate forum.

I want you to ravage my logic and beliefs.

Among other things.

[Nordengrund]

I do agree with Ausible that Liberals are jerks, but I still respect their opinions. They tear me apart for what I believe in, but I do not go around tearing them apart no matter how many times they do it to me.

You're supposed to do that. This a debate forum.

I want you to ravage my logic and beliefs.

I do not understand your logic, but I still respect it. Even though I may not agree with you at all, I still respect that because we both want to make the world a better place, but in our own way.

[Communist Winnipeg]

The reason there are more left wingers here? Right wingers cannot figure out how to turn on the interweb.

[The Black Forrest]

You're supposed to do that. This a debate forum.

I want you to ravage my logic and beliefs.

I do not understand your logic, but I still respect it. Even though I may not agree with you at all, I still respect that because we both want to make the world a better place, but in our own way.

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

[The Black Forrest]

The reason there are more left wingers here? Right wingers cannot figure out how to turn on the interweb.

Indeed. That's who we got the FCC. James Dobson couldn't figure out how to change the radio dial.

[Nordengrund]

I do not understand your logic, but I still respect it. Even though I may not agree with you at all, I still respect that because we both want to make the world a better place, but in our own way.

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

[Astrolinium]

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

What about it confuses you? I'm a liberal and I can see perfectly well why someone would be conservative.

[Not Safe For Work]

I do agree with Ausible that Liberals are jerks... I do not go around tearing them apart...

[Silent Majority]

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

That's probably because leftism has almost nothing to do with liberalism.

[Not Safe For Work]

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Don't you claim to be Christian?

And yet you can't understand selflessness, empathy and sacrifice? Because that's basically the 'liberal' mind at it's highest aspiration - being 'christ-like'.

[Nordengrund]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Don't you claim to be Christian?

And yet you can't understand selflessness, empathy and sacrifice? Because that's basically the 'liberal' mind at it's highest aspiration - being 'christ-like'.

Yes, but I oppose abortion and homosexual marriage.

[Divair]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

That's probably because leftism has almost nothing to do with liberalism.

Indeed. On this forum alone there are conservative leftists and liberal rightists.

[Dumb Ideologies]

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

You didn't invest many points in your empathy stat, did'ya?

[Divair]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

You didn't invest many points in your empathy stat, did'ya?

I invested too many.

But I'm overcoming it. Training up my "I don't give a shit" stat these days.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Don't you claim to be Christian?

And yet you can't understand selflessness, empathy and sacrifice? Because that's basically the 'liberal' mind at it's highest aspiration - being 'christ-like'.

Yes, but I oppose abortion and homosexual marriage.

Don't have an abortion or marry someone of the same sex then.

[Not Safe For Work]

The people who become unemployed could train for new jobs- since there will be an increased demand for services (you did say that most people will be in a state of leisure, right)?

There's no point training for jobs that don't exist. And no, I didn't say most people would be 'in a state of leisure' - I said they'd be unemployed.

That's very far off in the distance, but I can see that coming.

Why is it far in the future?

15 years ago I worked on a call-center. The job I did then, is done by machine now. What took hundreds of us working phone banks in the 90's, takes a couple of people to catch a few calls that can't be otherwise filtered by the system.

Automation is moving in leaps and bounds. Automating manufacture was obvious - but it's surprising how many fields automation has crept into - like the call-centers.

That being said, what about the people who have to work at the stores? What about management? What about those upper-level executives? And if everything is automated...there still needs to be an industrial sector to even produce those machines.

An automated industrial sector, yes. And all that industry, with all it's machinery - STILL won't hire as many actual people.

The machines still have to have raw materials to make them, so people need to oversee that. And most importantly, what about the service sector to fulfill increased demand for leisure?

Indeed? Have you worked out how we're going to deal with this, then? Because you keep talking about an 'increased demand for leisure', but you haven't explained how that market happens. If they have no income, what are they going to spend on leisure?

Doctors, engineers (design and maintain machines), programmers, services suited for leisure such as travel agents, hotel employees, bar employees, restaurant employees, generally people in entertainment...still need a police force, an army, etc and will need employees to fill the increased demand coming from a larger population. Any knowledge-based job will still remain...and any involving the manipulation of money- basically tertiary and quaternary sectors of the economy- with a significantly less primary and secondary. But there's not a lot of either primary or secondary in the developed world anyway right now.

You make an unconvincing argument for increases in job positions in many fields - but you base it on nothing. Indeed, looking down your list, about the only sector that has a real assurance of increasing faster than the population is programmers.

Unless you've come up with a solution to how we're going to reshape our paradigm, the hotels, bars and restaurants are going to hire LESS people, not more - because people without income don't buy things.

...and by giving even more bread and circuses you prioritize the good of Americans?

No, by making sure that every American is fed, rather than embracing the current vogue of Randian 'I'm alright, I got mine' mentality, you priotritize the good of Americans.

Personally, I find libertarians un-American. When this nation was founded, people worked together to succeed.... sometimes, just to survive. we've lost that. Too many people grabbed the 'wealth' aspiration bit, and forsook everything else that made America an appealing prospect.

Ok, so your management class then...they control all the resources and so can take power...this reeks of plutocracy.

That doesn't matter. I'm not saying it's what I want, I'm saying it's what is likely to happen.

And perhaps you need to take a closer look at the harsh realities of American politics - we HAVE plutocracy, now.

[Not Safe For Work]

Don't you claim to be Christian?

And yet you can't understand selflessness, empathy and sacrifice? Because that's basically the 'liberal' mind at it's highest aspiration - being 'christ-like'.

Yes, but I oppose abortion and homosexual marriage.

And porn, apparently.

But you're missing the point. Jesus associated with the whores and the publicans. He said to be selfless, to eschew materialism, to empathize with the forlorn, and to sacrifice yourself for the good of others. He tolerated others, he kept himself from committing their sins, but he tolerated them committing their sins. Indeed, he categorically refused to judge them. That was the line in the sand, so to speak, that he drew.

What you preach, is the exact opposite. Your politics are anti-Christ.

[Norsklow]

The reason there are more left wingers here? Right wingers cannot figure out how to turn on the interweb.

You mean left wingers haven't got a clue how the 'off' button works.

pOWNED

Wait a minute?I'm still here? Darn. *facepalm*

[Zaras]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Well, I can't see how anyone in their right mind would find the right wing appealing, so there.

[Genivaria]

How does one respect something they don't understand?

If you don't make an effort to understand another there is little chance of working together to make the world a better place.

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Because I like Civil Liberties.

[PapaJacky]

“I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against."

Cutting taxes work, increasing spending work, they're not mutually exclusive, use your arithmetic.

[Norsklow]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Well, I can't see how anyone in their right mind would find the right wing appealing, so there.

Better jokes to laugh at, though.
Can you imagine the PFJ-jokes coming from the left of the LDP?
Also: Cameron. Best joke since Appeasement!

[Samuraikoku]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Because some people like to help the world, rather than watch it burn.

[Distruzio]

I don't understand that concept, Nord.

How does one disagree with contrary positions, acknowledge ignorance of contrary positions, and yet maintain respect for those positions?

[Distruzio]

I studied leftism several times but I honestly cannot see how anyone in the right mind be liberal. I still do my best to respect it though.

Because some people like to help the world, rather than watch it burn.

Alfred is describing nihilism - not reactionary extropianism (which seems to be Nord's position).