Calling All Villains!

by **New Sapienta** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:47 pm

People

by **Frozen Angmar** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Serrland wrote:
Frozen Angmar wrote:Sauron.

And not because (obviously) I am a LOTR fan. You deeply know he is the coolest and most badass.

Cooler and more badass than Morgoth? I should think not!

I don't really want to start a Sauron vs Morgoth debate, but in terms of who ultimatly came closer to his goals.... definitely Sauron.

by **The Corparation** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:59 pm

Frozen Angmar wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Cooler and more badass than Morgoth? I should think not!

I don't really want to start a Sauron vs Morgoth debate, but in terms of who ultimatly came closer to his goals.... definitely Sauron.

Funny because I recall Morgoth destroying and arda once or twice and causing it to be rebuilt. Stealing the Simarils, destroying the trees of light. It took the Valar themselves to intervene and stop him from conquering middle earth. Most Valar did against Sauron was revive Gandalf.

by **AETEN II** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:02 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Frozen Angmar wrote:
I don't really want to start a Sauron vs Morgoth debate, but in terms of who ultimatly came closer to his goals.... definitely Sauron.

Funny because I recall Morgoth destroying and arda once or twice and causing it to be rebuilt. Stealing the Simarils, destroying the trees of light. It took the Valar themselves to intervene and stop him from conquering middle earth. Most Valar did against Sauron was revive Gandalf.

And instruct him to not simply go up to the tower and kick Sauron's balls in. The movies are a bit inaccurate, in that Gandalf could have actually killed the Witch King since he wasn't a human man.

by **Frozen Angmar** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:03 pm

Morgoth was so nihilistic that if his orcs would've destroyed Elves & Men, Morgoth would've then destroyed the Orcs because he hated everything. Sauron, on the other hand, Tolkien wrote, would've been happy to just control everyone.

So to me:

World Domination > World Destruction

Makes more sence.

by **AETEN II** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:07 pm

Frozen Angmar wrote:Morgoth was so nihilistic that if his orcs would've destroyed Elves & Men, Morgoth would've then destroyed the Orcs because he hated everything. Sauron, on the other hand, Tolkien wrote, would've been happy to just control everyone.

So to me:

World Domination > World Destruction

Makes more sence.

Er, destruction of life is worse than conquering the world. So Morgoth's the better villain as it increases his intimidation factor. Not to mention that there's no development of either character, at all. They're just evil flat pancakes.

by **The Carlisle** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:13 pm

The Joker from Batman
Ulquiorra from Bleach
Raj Ahten from The Runelords. He is a quite badass anti-hero.

by **Frozen Angmar** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:15 pm

"Sauron wasn't terrifying enough. That's because Jackson reduced his fearsomeness to the fear of physical destruction. Sauron was much more. Physical destruction was a means and not an end -Sauron was not lusting for destruction, not for bloodshed for its own sake, he was "a thing lusting for Complete Power" - he wants to rule, to control, to suppress the gift of Free Will, if you wish. "But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination"... "Sauron desired to be a God-King and was held to be this by his servants". No, Sauron was not a bumbling fool. Sauron was a schemer, a chess player, a manipulator, a mastermind, a puppeteer. We have two incidents in which he is mentioned in some detail as entering physical combat. In both cases, it is because he is running out of options. When we see Sauron in physical battle, then because he has run out of options. Yes, Sauron wasn't terrifying enough - that's because Jackson does terror only by the sledgehammer method, which rather limits the scope of terror."

by **GrandKirche** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:18 pm

Either Lady Macbeth or Iago. Sorry but they are the BEST villains ever.

by **Frozen Angmar** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:18 pm

Also even the "so special" Gandalf the White shakened before the terror of the Witch King of Angmar. That says a lot.

by **Frozen Angmar** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:20 pm

AETEN II wrote:Not to mention that there's no development of either character, at all. They're just evil flat pancakes.

Morgoth yes. Sauron no. More complex personality.

by **Nordengrund** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:51 pm

Darth Vader or Prince Zuko

by **Comanici** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:54 pm

anders breivik

by **Zanzibarnia** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:54 pm

How can Doom not be the clear answer, peasants?!

It's all Richards' fault!

RICHARDS!

by **Nordengrund** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:54 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Most of what people call villains, I call misunderstood heroes.

This^

by **The Tiger Kingdom** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:55 pm

Comanici wrote:anders breivik

Not fictional, unfortunately.

by **Tarnen** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:01 pm

Agent Smith

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

by **Benutanairan** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:03 pm

Aku from Samurai Jack. He was a shape shifter responsible for the genocide of the dinosaurs, the downfall of samurai japan, the destruction of several races, conquering several systems on earth, and using a dj to spread mind control during a rave and causing a zombie outbreak XD.

by **Post War America** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:09 pm

The Tyranids in the 40k Universe

by **Depressia (Ancient)** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:51 pm

I'm actually looking forward to see The Penguin from Batman, only the 1000x darker version, the ultimate no-one-would've-expected-badass.

by **AETEN II** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:58 pm

Frozen Angmar wrote:
AETEN II wrote:Not to mention that there's no development of either character, at all. They're just evil flat pancakes.

Morgoth yes. Sauron no. More complex personality.

Name one moment when his character was developed. He's just a fluffier pancake than Morgoth. A pancake of pure evil. It's black. It burned the stove when it was cooked. Morgoth's pancake burned down the house.

by **Conserative Morality** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:10 pm

The Illusive Man.

Or any of the villains from Tactics Ogre other than Vice.

by **Shnercropolis** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Sauron/Morgoth.

by **Tagmatium** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 pm

Lieutenant Colonel John Konrad.

by **The Tiger Kingdom** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Tagmatium wrote:Lieutenant Colonel John Konrad.

Even though he's basically an adaptation of the various Kurtz's?

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