Occupy Protesters block cars at DNC

[Phocidaea]

That's why I never took Occupy seriously, they would always say the cops were being harsh and such

To be fair, in many cases the cops were using way too much force to subdue peaceful protesters.

"Pepperspray cop" has been photoshopped a lot, but the original image is 100% real. He's fucking spraying people who are already on the ground in surrender from about half the distance he's supposed to. And he got off incredibly light for it.

[Sulamalik]

To be fair, in many cases the cops were using way too much force to subdue peaceful protesters.

They asked for it in mass a lot of the time though, and they were given ample reminders in some cases but when they were legitmently subdued by law enforcement they would bitch and cry wolf.

Complaining that riot cops are assaulting you with tear gas and truncheons isn't crying wolf. It's not a legitimate use of force. Police officer's don't shoot an unarmed drunk when he's resisting arrest. Police shouldn't use overwhelming less-lethal force to arrest people for peacefully protesting.

[North Calaveras]

To be fair, in many cases the cops were using way too much force to subdue peaceful protesters.

"Pepperspray cop" has been photoshopped a lot, but the original image is 100% real. He's fucking spraying people who are already on the ground in surrender from about half the distance he's supposed to. And he got off incredibly light for it.

on the ground surrending, they looked like they were blocking him to me, surrendering usually implied making way for the person.

[North Calaveras]

They asked for it in mass a lot of the time though, and they were given ample reminders in some cases but when they were legitmently subdued by law enforcement they would bitch and cry wolf.

Complaining that riot cops are assaulting you with tear gas and truncheons isn't crying wolf. It's not a legitimate use of force. Police officer's don't shoot an unarmed drunk when he's resisting arrest. Police shouldn't use overwhelming less-lethal force to arrest people for peacefully protesting.

When did the police use overwhelming "lethal" force?

[Sulamalik]

"Pepperspray cop" has been photoshopped a lot, but the original image is 100% real. He's fucking spraying people who are already on the ground in surrender from about half the distance he's supposed to. And he got off incredibly light for it.

on the ground surrending, they looked like they were blocking him to me, surrendering usually implied making way for the person.

A legitimate use of force by the Police on resisting protesters

[Sulamalik]

Complaining that riot cops are assaulting you with tear gas and truncheons isn't crying wolf. It's not a legitimate use of force. Police officer's don't shoot an unarmed drunk when he's resisting arrest. Police shouldn't use overwhelming less-lethal force to arrest people for peacefully protesting.

When did the police use overwhelming "lethal" force?

I said less-lethal.

[North Calaveras]

When did the police use overwhelming "lethal" force?

I said less-lethal.

my bad

regardless why were they blocking there way? is that legal to block there way?

[Sulamalik]

I said less-lethal.

my bad

regardless why were they blocking there way? is that legal to block there way?

From the picture it seems pretty easy to simply go around the line.

[North Calaveras]

my bad

regardless why were they blocking there way? is that legal to block there way?

From the picture it seems pretty easy to simply go around the line.

actually the line seems to surround the police in a large circle...I'm watching the video right now and that is what I see

[Sulamalik]

From the picture it seems pretty easy to simply go around the line.

actually the line seems to surround the police in a large circle...I'm watching the video right now and that is what I see

Hmm. Fair enough.

Still though, it's hard to see the sense in deliberately spraying teargas in people's faces. Even if it clears the way, it doesn't solve the underlying reason about why these people protest.

[Phocidaea]

on the ground surrending, they looked like they were blocking him to me, surrendering usually implied making way for the person.

A legitimate use of force by the Police on resisting protesters

At first I thought, "Are you insane?". Then I realized (I hope) you are being sarcastic.

Yeah, there's something called the First Amendment, that cops around the country apparently forgot about.

[North Calaveras]

actually the line seems to surround the police in a large circle...I'm watching the video right now and that is what I see

Hmm. Fair enough.

Still though, it's hard to see the sense in deliberately spraying teargas in people's faces. Even if it clears the way, it doesn't solve the underlying reason why these people protest.

If they were legally allowed to do what they did then I don't see a problem, but as far as I know surrounding police and taunting them is asking for pepper-spray(the surrounding part more importantly.

[Sulamalik]

Hmm. Fair enough.

Still though, it's hard to see the sense in deliberately spraying teargas in people's faces. Even if it clears the way, it doesn't solve the underlying reason why these people protest.

If they were legally allowed to do what they did then I don't see a problem, but as far as I know surrounding police and taunting them is asking for pepper-spray(the surrounding part more importantly.

Committing a crime is asking for pepper-spray. Exercising your freedom of speech shouldn't. Like I said, police violence doesn't solve problems, it just aggravates them.

[North Calaveras]

If they were legally allowed to do what they did then I don't see a problem, but as far as I know surrounding police and taunting them is asking for pepper-spray(the surrounding part more importantly.

Committing a crime is asking for pepper-spray. Exercising your freedom of speech shouldn't. Like I said, police violence doesn't solve problems, it just aggravates them.

Surrounding the police is legal?

[Capitalist America]

They are pissed that the Democrats are in fact...drum roll please...as crony-capitalist as the GOP!

Shocker, isn't it?


Reason Magazine has a great article/video on it:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2012/09/06/occupy-vs-dnc-are-dems-crony-capitalists

[Armedland]

I was moderately supportive of occupy when it began, but I doubt it's going to go anywhere from here. It's declined and it only gets publicity when it's disruptive now.

[Sulamalik]

Committing a crime is asking for pepper-spray. Exercising your freedom of speech shouldn't. Like I said, police violence doesn't solve problems, it just aggravates them.

Surrounding the police is legal?

From the New York Times:

Annette Spicuzza, the U.C. Davis police chief, told The Sacramento Bee that the officers used pepper spray on Friday because the police were surrounded by students. 'There was no way out of that circle,' she told the newspaper. 'They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation.' The videos, however, show officers freely moving about and show students behaving peacefully. The university reported no instances of violence by any protesters."

[North Calaveras]

I was moderately supportive of occupy when it began, but I doubt it's going to go anywhere from here. It's declined and it only gets publicity when it's disruptive now.

Remember Occupy Oakland? what a disaster...

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I was moderately supportive of occupy when it began, but I doubt it's going to go anywhere from here. It's declined and it only gets publicity when it's disruptive now.

Ha, you could say the same about the Tea Party these days.

Occupy did bring up some issues, but in the end people just couldn't take the beatings I guess.

[North Calaveras]

I was moderately supportive of occupy when it began, but I doubt it's going to go anywhere from here. It's declined and it only gets publicity when it's disruptive now.

Ha, you could say the same about the Tea Party these days.

Occupy did bring up some issues, but in the end people just couldn't take the beatings I guess.

Hey the Tea Party usually cleans up after themselves and they actually have been able to influence politics(for better or worse)

[Sphyxia]

Ha, you could say the same about the Tea Party these days.

Occupy did bring up some issues, but in the end people just couldn't take the beatings I guess.

Hey the Tea Party usually cleans up after themselves and they actually have been able to influence politics(for better or worse)

Yes, they clean the physical mess in order to leave a political one. Quite an accomplishment.

[Sulamalik]

Ha, you could say the same about the Tea Party these days.

Occupy did bring up some issues, but in the end people just couldn't take the beatings I guess.

Hey the Tea Party usually cleans up after themselves and they actually have been able to influence politics(for better or worse)

Comparing the Tea Party to the Occupy movement is kinda apples to oranges. The Tea Party has an established hierarchy with substantial corporate funding and Republican support while Occupy is basically anarchy.

[North Calaveras]

Hey the Tea Party usually cleans up after themselves and they actually have been able to influence politics(for better or worse)

Comparing the Tea Party to the Occupy movement is kinda apples to oranges. The Tea Party has an established hierarchy with substantial corporate funding and Republican support while Occupy is basically anarchy.

I dont really believe that being a Tea Partier myself, but even if that were the case, still much much better than the shit occupy pulls.

[Sulamalik]

Comparing the Tea Party to the Occupy movement is kinda apples to oranges. The Tea Party has an established hierarchy with substantial corporate funding and Republican support while Occupy is basically anarchy.

I dont really believe that being a Tea Partier myself, but even if that were the case, still much much better than the shit occupy pulls.

What part of my post don't you believe?

[North Calaveras]

I dont really believe that being a Tea Partier myself, but even if that were the case, still much much better than the shit occupy pulls.

What part of my post don't you believe?

Oh sorry I got a differen't vibe from what you said lol, i was think you were basically going for the " Tea Party is owned by corporations man"