No more meat?

[Mavorpen]

Sounds like bullshit to me. Why don't you explain why.

I'll guess though. Its because we could use the resources used to raise cattle, pigs, etc to grow more vegetables, fruit, wheat, etc and ship it to other countries.

Possibly, but can they pay for it? Why should we lower are standards for them? Why don't they keep their own populations in check? Why are we obligated to help? all that type of jazz.

What in the world are you talking about? Our standards wouldn't be lowered, it would be improved. There are plenty of reasons why they have population issues, and if you think it's that easy, you're very naive. We're not obligated to do anything. I would think people would want to help other people. Guess not. Why would I expect people to actually be kind?

Their not having food is their own problem. They should keep their population at a level their own country can support through domestic agriculture and imports.

No shit they should stabilize their population. It's not as easy as you seem to believe.

[Mavorpen]

Morality has nothing to do with food. Get over yourself.

Great argument. Love how you backed it up with reason and logic. Oh wait.

Eating meat is not immoral. Is a lion eating a gazelle immoral? No. Again, kindly get off you high horse and step into the real world.

I already addressed this countless times. Kindly step off of your high horse and stop pretending you're too good to actually read.

[Trollgaard]

Morality has nothing to do with food. Get over yourself.

Great argument. Love how you backed it up with reason and logic. Oh wait.

Eating meat is not immoral. Is a lion eating a gazelle immoral? No. Again, kindly get off you high horse and step into the real world.

I already addressed this countless times. Kindly step off of your high horse and stop pretending you're too good to actually read.

You haven't posted anything worth reading about this issue. All you have is lies and bleeding heart rhetoric that has no bearing anywhere in the real world.

So again, get over yourself and stop trying to put your 'morals' about meat onto other people. Kay? Thanks.

[Mavorpen]

You haven't posted anything worth reading about this issue. All you have is lies and bleeding heart rhetoric that has no bearing anywhere in the real world.

And you would know this without reading my posts because...?

So again, get over yourself and stop trying to put your 'morals' about meat onto other people. Kay? Thanks.

This is a debate forum. How about you get over yourself? I'm not putting my morals on anyone. I don't scream at people for eating meat in my daily life. I don't go on a crusade to ban meat eating. You on the other hand feel the need to whine and complain about me debating a subject on the internet because you happen to enjoy the very thing I debate against. Stop with the childish nonsense.

[Norsklow]

Well,mate, if you spent a couple of years in a real 3rd world country experiencing real starvation ( them, not me) you might think that a total irrelevancy. There is nothing so effective in getting a very tight focus on the REAL matters at hand as watching a bunch of folks starve to death. I am by no means imploring you to go and have a look. I wish I had never seen it.

But I have learned one basic principle. Always finish your plate,even if you think Polenta is totally le-suck. I do not presume to hold a higher moral level than that on food-'issues'.

Because there is always someone who would have lived if only there had been a way to magically transport the food you didn't want to his or her part of the global woods.

You do know that meat consumption is one of the biggest reasons for starvation in third world countries, right?

False. Problems number One,Two, and Three are Transport, Transport and Transport.

Even if you unload a ship-ful of grain on the cay near Dar Es Salaam, it takes a superhuman effort and incredible lots of luck to get a quarter of it safely to the Upper Nile.

And btw, the vastly bloated Farm Programmes of both the Americans and Europeans are effectively the best food aid programmes for the 3rd world on the planet - and people never complain that it is giving their money away to some darned lazy foreigners who happen to starve because they are lazy or black or corrupt. I'd hate for anything to change that.

[Mavorpen]

False. Problems number One,Two, and Three are Transport, Transport and Transport.

Even if you unload a ship-ful of grain on the cay near Dar Es Salaam, it takes a superhuman effort and incredible lots of luck to get a quarter of it safely to the Upper Nile.

And btw, the vastly bloated Farm Programmes of both the Americans and Europeans are effectively the best food aid programmes for the 3rd world on the planet - and people never complain that it is giving their money away to some darned lazy foreigners who happen to starve because they are lazy or black or corrupt. I'd hate for anything to change that.

Yeah, no. I said one of the biggest problems. Transportation is another, and unequal distribution is the third.

[Trollgaard]

You haven't posted anything worth reading about this issue. All you have is lies and bleeding heart rhetoric that has no bearing anywhere in the real world.

And you would know this without reading my posts because...?

So again, get over yourself and stop trying to put your 'morals' about meat onto other people. Kay? Thanks.

This is a debate forum. How about you get over yourself? I'm not putting my morals on anyone. I don't scream at people for eating meat in my daily life. I don't go on a crusade to ban meat eating. You on the other hand feel the need to whine and complain about me debating a subject on the internet because you happen to enjoy the very thing I debate against. Stop with the childish nonsense.

That seems to be exactly what you're doing. I am disagreeing with you.

[Mavorpen]

That seems to be exactly what you're doing. I am disagreeing with you.

Except, it's not. I was debating with people, and you came in here contributing absolutely nothing worthwhile. Instead, you proceeded to throw painfully obvious ad hominems, attacking me instead of my arguments. Claiming I'm on a moral crusade and that I'm on a high horse isn't an argument. Actually debate or stop whining.

[Frozen]

Should i just begin chewing on bullets now?

[Trollgaard]

That seems to be exactly what you're doing. I am disagreeing with you.

Except, it's not. I was debating with people, and you came in here contributing absolutely nothing worthwhile. Instead, you proceeded to throw painfully obvious ad hominems, attacking me instead of my arguments. Claiming I'm on a moral crusade and that I'm on a high horse isn't an argument. Actually debate or stop whining.

You were sounding pretty high horsed and posted lies.

So I said it.

Deal with it.

Get off the high horse, and stop posting lies and everything will be alright.

[Mavorpen]

You were sounding pretty high horsed and posted lies.

Please point it out specifically. If you're not going to bother doing that, and make baseless accusations, then just leave. Show me where I claimed to be morally superior to anyone. Show me where I posted lies.

So I said it.

Deal with it.

Get off the high horse, and stop posting lies and everything will be alright.

Hilarious, since it's painfully obvious you're pulling shit out of your ass and lying through your teeth.

[Norsklow]

False. Problems number One,Two, and Three are Transport, Transport and Transport.

Even if you unload a ship-ful of grain on the cay near Dar Es Salaam, it takes a superhuman effort and incredible lots of luck to get a quarter of it safely to the Upper Nile.

And btw, the vastly bloated Farm Programmes of both the Americans and Europeans are effectively the best food aid programmes for the 3rd world on the planet - and people never complain that it is giving their money away to some darned lazy foreigners who happen to starve because they are lazy or black or corrupt. I'd hate for anything to change that.

Yeah, no. I said one of the biggest problems. Transportation is another, and unequal distribution is the third.

Transport,Transport and Transport. As I recollect, 10% reaching the target area( as in a refugee camp) was considered par for the course.

I would be inclined to agree on unequal distribution,were it not for the annoying fact that the inequality of the distribution was more determined by Transport and not by income or inequality or anything that could be addressed by a political action programme.

The biggest problem is the lay of the land ( Transport, you know?)

And you would be surprised to find out that if you offer even starving people a kind of cereal that is not normally part of their diet, that they find strange or fear to be evil, you've got a pretty good chance that they elect to die rather than eat the possibly-bewitched food they have never tasted before.

Maybe I can find you an interesting article on a case in Ireland, just 150 years ago.

EDIT: Oh sod that article. The author is making the case that it was a popish plot to bankrupt the good landlords bankrupt. Total nutcase.

[Gauthier]

Should i just begin chewing on bullets now?

If you do, be sure it's on a farm field so your corpse fertilizes it for the saintly vegans to grow their moral grains and vegetables on.

[Trollgaard]

You were sounding pretty high horsed and posted lies.

Please point it out specifically. If you're not going to bother doing that, and make baseless accusations, then just leave. Show me where I claimed to be morally superior to anyone. Show me where I posted lies.

So I said it.

Deal with it.

Get off the high horse, and stop posting lies and everything will be alright.

Hilarious, since it's painfully obvious you're pulling shit out of your ass and lying through your teeth.

You're whole tone for the first, and saying humans aren't omnivores for the second.

Easy-peasy-light-and-breezy.

[Mavorpen]

You're whole tone for the first, and saying humans aren't omnivores for the second.

Easy-peasy-light-and-breezy.

So you don't have any evidence then? Provide the actual quotes. And saying humans aren't omnivores was not me lying.

[Trollgaard]

Should i just begin chewing on bullets now?

If you do, be sure it's on a farm field so your corpse fertilizes it for the saintly vegans to grow their moral grains and vegetables on.

Ha! Well done, sir, well done!

[Mavorpen]

If you do, be sure it's on a farm field so your corpse fertilizes it for the saintly vegans to grow their moral grains and vegetables on.

Ha! Well done, sir, well done!

I love how he comes back into the thread to make a poor joke instead of addressing my last post to him.

[Trollgaard]

You're whole tone for the first, and saying humans aren't omnivores for the second.

Easy-peasy-light-and-breezy.

So you don't have any evidence then? Provide the actual quotes. And saying humans aren't omnivores was not me lying.

I'm not going through this damn thread and doing that. And saying humans aren't omnivores is a complete fucking lie and you fucking know it. Do say such a thing requires a level of fucking stupidity beyond the pale! It is beyond belief that someone can actually say such a thing and actually believe it. Just take a look at a menu in a restaurant. There's meat and vegetables on it. Proof right there that your telling fucking lies.

So fucking stop telling lies and then you can go about your business.

[Trollgaard]

Ha! Well done, sir, well done!

I love how he comes back into the thread to make a poor joke instead of addressing my last post to him.

He realizes its basically pointless with a person like you, who believes lies and spreads them. Someone disconnected with reality.

Humans aren't omnivores my fucking ass. Go read a book.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not going through this damn thread and doing that.

Of course you aren't, you admitted to not reading anything I've said. So the claim was absurd in the first place.

And saying humans aren't omnivores is a complete fucking lie and you fucking know it. Do say such a thing requires a level of fucking stupidity beyond the pale! It is beyond belief that someone can actually say such a thing and actually believe it. Just take a look at a menu in a restaurant. There's meat and vegetables on it. Proof right there that your telling fucking lies.

First of all, there's a difference between being wrong, and lying. If you think I'm wrong, provide evidence. Also, you probably should have read my previous posts in the first place, because I specifically emphasized that biologically we are herbivores. Behaviorally we are omnivores. I never denied this.

So fucking stop telling lies and then you can go about your business.

Stop pulling things out of your ass and provide evidence.

[Trollgaard]

Here ya go, I'm pretty surprised you actually need evidence that people are omnivores.

Here's the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

If you don't think humans are omnivores after reading the definition there's no hope for you.

[Mavorpen]

Here ya go, I'm pretty surprised you actually need evidence that people are omnivores.

Here's the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

If you don't think humans are omnivores after reading the definition there's no hope for you.

I'm surprised your reading skills are as atrocious as they are.

First of all, there's a difference between being wrong, and lying. If you think I'm wrong, provide evidence. Also, you probably should have read my previous posts in the first place, because I specifically emphasized that biologically we are herbivores. Behaviorally we are omnivores. I never denied this.

Your source defines behavioral omnivores.

[Gauthier]

Here ya go, I'm pretty surprised you actually need evidence that people are omnivores.

Here's the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

If you don't think humans are omnivores after reading the definition there's no hope for you.

I'm surprised your reading skills are as atrocious as they are.

First of all, there's a difference between being wrong, and lying. If you think I'm wrong, provide evidence. Also, you probably should have read my previous posts in the first place, because I specifically emphasized that biologically we are herbivores. Behaviorally we are omnivores. I never denied this.

Your source defines behavioral omnivores.

Humans don't possess any ruminant organs, so that makes them biologically herbivorous how?

[Trollgaard]

Here ya go, I'm pretty surprised you actually need evidence that people are omnivores.

Here's the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

If you don't think humans are omnivores after reading the definition there's no hope for you.

I'm surprised your reading skills are as atrocious as they are.

First of all, there's a difference between being wrong, and lying. If you think I'm wrong, provide evidence. Also, you probably should have read my previous posts in the first place, because I specifically emphasized that biologically we are herbivores. Behaviorally we are omnivores. I never denied this.

Your source defines behavioral omnivores.

How about the fact that are digestive tract is basically halfway between the lengths of herbivores and carnivores. We are biological and behavioral omnivores.

[Mavorpen]

Humans don't possess any ruminant organs, so that makes them biologically herbivorous how?

Last time I checked, humans do not belong to the order Artiodactyla.