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Postby Poorisolation » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:02 pm

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Ende wrote:You know, there's an easy solution to both a lack of meat and overpopulation at the same time!

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No. Labor is a crucial commodity. We need more competent scientists and engineers, for example.


We could feed them on journalists? :eyebrow:
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Postby Cruciland » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:I think we need to quadruple the funding into research of Invitro Meat.

We already can clone animals. Why not just start cloning raw beef and stuff? If we pull it off, we won't need to feed all those animals and can get our succulent steaks.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:03 pm

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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:04 pm

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Genivaria wrote:I think we need to quadruple the funding into research of Invitro Meat.

We already can clone animals. Why not just start cloning raw beef and stuff? If we pull it off, we won't need to feed all those animals and can get our succulent steaks.


Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.
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Postby Vazeckta » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:05 pm

Terruana wrote:
Cruciland wrote:We already can clone animals. Why not just start cloning raw beef and stuff? If we pull it off, we won't need to feed all those animals and can get our succulent steaks.


Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.

What if we clone the grass and stuff to feed all the cloned animals?
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Postby Williamson » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:05 pm

i just realise something. he world ending this december anyway. We don't have to worry about all the thing humans have **** up anymore.

This is a joke that world will probably not end

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Postby Norstal » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Terruana wrote:
Cruciland wrote:We already can clone animals. Why not just start cloning raw beef and stuff? If we pull it off, we won't need to feed all those animals and can get our succulent steaks.


Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.

As long as we don't have a perpetual motion machine, we'll still need to do all those things.

What I did notice is that the study mentions the lack of water. If desalination technology is discovered by 2050, most of the problems would, I think, be eliminated.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Norstal wrote:
Ende wrote:You know, there's an easy solution to both a lack of meat and overpopulation at the same time!

</soylentgreenjoke>

No. Labor is a crucial commodity. We need more competent scientists and engineers, for example.


See, people believe this is a myth. Because we have the best scientists in the world (probably), and people are saying, "Well, our economy hasn't crashed, and we're still the best." What they don't realize is that's only because of immigration. 50% of potential Ph.D holders are foreign born. Since America refuses to invest in science though, other countries are surpassing us, and those same people who immigrated here and artificially increases our standing in the world are moving away.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:07 pm

Vazeckta wrote:
Terruana wrote:
Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.

What if we clone the grass and stuff to feed all the cloned animals?

You'd...still need water?

And don't say "why can't we clone water?"
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:08 pm

Vazeckta wrote:
Terruana wrote:
Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.

What if we clone the grass and stuff to feed all the cloned animals?


You're missing the point. Cloning doesn't create something from nothing. You have to put the same nutrients into a cloned plant as you would any other plant.
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:09 pm

Norstal wrote:
Terruana wrote:
Uh... pretty sure you still have to feed cloned baby animals. It's exactly the same as raising a baby animal that isn't cloned, except for being genetically identical to the mother.

As long as we don't have a perpetual motion machine, we'll still need to do all those things.

What I did notice is that the study mentions the lack of water. If desalination technology is discovered by 2050, most of the problems would, I think, be eliminated.


I thought we already desalination technology? And with the increased demand for water, there'll be more funding to making it more cost effective, until eventually the problem goes away and we can all have a celebratory steak-feast
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Postby Cruciland » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Terruana wrote:
Norstal wrote:As long as we don't have a perpetual motion machine, we'll still need to do all those things.

What I did notice is that the study mentions the lack of water. If desalination technology is discovered by 2050, most of the problems would, I think, be eliminated.


I thought we already desalination technology? And with the increased demand for water, there'll be more funding to making it more cost effective, until eventually the problem goes away and we can all have a celebratory steak-feast

And also give vegans a heart attack. :)
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.


I wonder how long it'd take before we got groups of people campaigning for "meat rights" for in vitro meat on the basis that it's living cells xD
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Postby Poorisolation » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.



Even cell cultures need to be grown and they need to be provided with energy and raw materials and a medium (let us call it water) to metabolise in. There is no proof that it is ever going to be economically more viable than meat from animals fed on sunlight and minerals captured in grass say and then slaughtered and butchered using traditional methods.

Edit note: cannot spell and should also note there is no proof at this time it might not become cheaper than traditional animal husbandry for meat.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:19 pm

Poorisolation wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.



Even cell cultures need to be grown and they need to be provided with energy and raw materials and a medium (let us call it water) to metabolise in. There is no proof that it is ever going to be economically more viable than meat from animals fed on sunlight and minerals captured in grass say and then slaughtered and butchered using traditional methods.

Edit note: cannot spell and should also note there is no proof at this time it might not become cheaper than traditional animal husbandry for meat.


That's not what I meant by grown. At all.
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:22 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Poorisolation wrote:

Even cell cultures need to be grown and they need to be provided with energy and raw materials and a medium (let us call it water) to metabolise in. There is no proof that it is ever going to be economically more viable than meat from animals fed on sunlight and minerals captured in grass say and then slaughtered and butchered using traditional methods.

Edit note: cannot spell and should also note there is no proof at this time it might not become cheaper than traditional animal husbandry for meat.


That's not what I meant by grown. At all.


Did you mean something like this?
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:23 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.

Vat grown meat is going to taste about as bad as factory farmed meat. Since it has no animal attached the muscles don't get exercised and you can't get all flavors in that the animal would get by eating the various herbs it can find when properly farmed. And if you can't eat proper tasty meat why bother eating it at all.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:25 pm

Terruana wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not what I meant by grown. At all.


Did you mean something like this?


More like this.
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Postby Poorisolation » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:25 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Poorisolation wrote:

Even cell cultures need to be grown and they need to be provided with energy and raw materials and a medium (let us call it water) to metabolise in. There is no proof that it is ever going to be economically more viable than meat from animals fed on sunlight and minerals captured in grass say and then slaughtered and butchered using traditional methods.

Edit note: cannot spell and should also note there is no proof at this time it might not become cheaper than traditional animal husbandry for meat.


That's not what I meant by grown. At all.



Well what do you mean then?
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:27 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Terruana wrote:
Did you mean something like this?


More like this.


Honestly, I would actually eat lab-grown meat in preference to farm-grown meat, even if it meant paying slightly more.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:28 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Concerning cloning animals: what in the world are you guys talking about? You don't need to clone and grow entire animals. We have been researching artificial meat that's ready for consumption, not needing to be grown or slaughtered.

Vat grown meat is going to taste about as bad as factory farmed meat. Since it has no animal attached the muscles don't get exercised and you can't get all flavors in that the animal would get by eating the various herbs it can find when properly farmed. And if you can't eat proper tasty meat why bother eating it at all.


What in the world are you talking about?

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Honestly, I would actually eat lab-grown meat in preference to farm-grown meat, even if it meant paying slightly more.


I'd eat neither.
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:29 pm

Purpelia wrote:Vat grown meat is going to taste about as bad as factory farmed meat. Since it has no animal attached the muscles don't get exercised and you can't get all flavors in that the animal would get by eating the various herbs it can find when properly farmed. And if you can't eat proper tasty meat why bother eating it at all.


Herbs don't get absorbed into muscle, which is largely what you mean by "meat". Unless you're eating the contents of your burger's intestines, it's diet will have little to no effect on the taste.
And you can exercise lab grown muscle too.
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Postby Terruana » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:31 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Terruana wrote:
Honestly, I would actually eat lab-grown meat in preference to farm-grown meat, even if it meant paying slightly more.


I'd eat neither.


Fair enough. I would happily be a vegetarian if meat didn't taste so nice to me, but it does.
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Postby The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:33 pm

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Really?

Its not a real meal unless there's some meat.


I strongly dissagree with that statement. :palm:
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