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Postby Empire of Narnia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:37 pm

Why not just develop an airborne sterilization chemical and disperse it over third-world countries? Problem solved.

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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:38 pm

Yewhohohopia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
Really?

Its not a real meal unless there's some meat.

This is why America is land of the vast, as well as land of the free.


Land of the vast? That doesn't make any sense.

Vast what? Vast plains? Vast rivers? Vast forest?

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Postby Wu Wei Shan » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:39 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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That's just dumb (and flaming). Enjoy your cardiac infarction when it happens.


Because calling people carnivores when they are omnivores in an attempt to elicit predatorial imagery isn't flaming at all, but using an argument as to why wide spread vegeterianism would mean the extinction of several species is.


If using the word omnivore makes you feel better then just pretend I typed it - makes no difference to me, you all kill and eat animals. If you are so good at deducing intent over the internet you are probably in the wrong line of work. Besides, you seem to have selective reading problems as you somehow missed the oh-so-ironic
You are a genocidal monster

but I know it's probably just butthurt.
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Postby Divair » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:39 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:This is why America is land of the vast, as well as land of the free.


Land of the vast? That doesn't make any sense.

Vast what? Vast plains? Vast rivers? Vast forest?

Vast fat.

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:41 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Why not just develop an airborne sterilization chemical and disperse it over third-world countries? Problem solved.


Because it will never disperse to second or even first world countries right?
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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:41 pm

Divair wrote:
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Land of the vast? That doesn't make any sense.

Vast what? Vast plains? Vast rivers? Vast forest?

Vast fat.


Lol, because of meat? Nah. That's because people are lazy and don't exercise.

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Postby Cabra West » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:48 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Divair wrote:Vast fat.


Lol, because of meat? Nah. That's because people are lazy and don't exercise.

That probably doesn't help, true, but I've recently been in the US ... and the food portions are epic. Massive. Humongous. Gigantic. Positively alpine.
And while I didn't eat meat, what was piled onto my colleagues' plates could easily have amounted to half a cow each. So I can understand where that comment might be coming from. ;)
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:50 pm

Cabra West wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
Lol, because of meat? Nah. That's because people are lazy and don't exercise.

That probably doesn't help, true, but I've recently been in the US ... and the food portions are epic. Massive. Humongous. Gigantic. Positively alpine.
And while I didn't eat meat, what was piled onto my colleagues' plates could easily have amounted to half a cow each. So I can understand where that comment might be coming from. ;)


It's an unhealthy obcession with enormous portions. When the smallest cup size a fast food joint serves is 16 ounces, that there is a problem.
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Postby Parhe » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:11 pm

Wu Wei Shan wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because calling people carnivores when they are omnivores in an attempt to elicit predatorial imagery isn't flaming at all, but using an argument as to why wide spread vegeterianism would mean the extinction of several species is.


If using the word omnivore makes you feel better then just pretend I typed it - makes no difference to me, you all kill and eat animals. If you are so good at deducing intent over the internet you are probably in the wrong line of work. Besides, you seem to have selective reading problems as you somehow missed the oh-so-ironic
You are a genocidal monster

but I know it's probably just butthurt.

Try taking a biology class because there is a difference between eating exclusively mean and eating mostly vegetables with a smaller amount of meat. Well, I guess to someone like you it really doesn't matter-I doubt you can even understand the difference.

Anyhow I don't even care about the people in developing countries dying from starvation because of wealthier nations taking advantage of them(Not my fault they were unlucky in where they were born) so why should I care about animals that I cannot even properly communicate with? I've seen my food before it was killed and that made no difference on how I ate it. Ok well, I might jokingly call it by a name while I eat it but that is about it.
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Postby The House of Petain » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:17 pm

New Hayesalia wrote:Cannibalism could work with 9 billion people though. Keeps the population in check and well meat-ed!

Obviously a joke guyz.


No, you're right.

But let's start with the Chinese and the Greeks. I love Chinese and Greek.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:24 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Why not just develop an airborne sterilization chemical and disperse it over third-world countries? Problem solved.


Because it will never disperse to second or even first world countries right?


By that point it would be so diluted it wouldn't have any effect. Most gas attacks have a limited effective range.

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Postby Poorisolation » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:28 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because it will never disperse to second or even first world countries right?


By that point it would be so diluted it wouldn't have any effect. Most gas attacks have a limited effective range.


In which case you face enormous logistical problems in conducting you double whammy war crime and crime against humanity, the use of a prohibited chemical weapon and an act of genocide.
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Postby Swith Witherward » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:44 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:This is why America is land of the vast, as well as land of the free.


Land of the vast? That doesn't make any sense.

Vast what? Vast plains? Vast rivers? Vast forest?


Vast... waistbands?
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:Well no not literally ALL gone, but a new study has shown that in a few decades we'll have to radically alter our diets.

Food shortages could force world into vegetarianism, warn scientists
Water scarcity's effect on food production means radical steps will be needed to feed population expected to reach 9bn by 2050

Leading water scientists have issued one of the sternest warnings yet about global food supplies, saying that the world's population may have to switch almost completely to a vegetarian diet over the next 40 years to avoid catastrophic shortages.

Humans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050, according to research by some of the world's leading water scientists.

"There will not be enough water available on current croplands to produce food for the expected 9 billion population in 2050 if we follow current trends and changes towards diets common in western nations," the report by Malik Falkenmark and colleagues at the Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI) said.

"There will be just enough water if the proportion of animal-based foods is limited to 5% of total calories and considerable regional water deficits can be met by a … reliable system of food trade."

Dire warnings of water scarcity limiting food production come as Oxfam and the UN prepare for a possible second global food crisis in five years. Prices for staples such as corn and wheat have risen nearly 50% on international markets since June, triggered by severe droughts in the US and Russia, and weak monsoon rains in Asia. More than 18 million people are already facing serious food shortages across the Sahel.

Oxfam has forecast that the price spike will have a devastating impact in developing countries that rely heavily on food imports, including parts of Latin America, North Africa and the Middle East. Food shortages in 2008 led to civil unrest in 28 countries.

Adopting a vegetarian diet is one option to increase the amount of water available to grow more food in an increasingly climate-erratic world, the scientists said. Animal protein-rich food consumes five to 10 times more water than a vegetarian diet. One third of the world's arable land is used to grow crops to feed animals. Other options to feed people include eliminating waste and increasing trade between countries in food surplus and those in deficit.

"Nine hundred million people already go hungry and 2 billion people are malnourished in spite of the fact that per capita food production continues to increase," they said. "With 70% of all available water being in agriculture, growing more food to feed an additional 2 billion people by 2050 will place greater pressure on available water and land."

The report is being released at the start of the annual world water conference in Stockholm, Sweden, where 2,500 politicians, UN bodies, non-governmental groups and researchers from 120 countries meet to address global water supply problems.

Competition for water between food production and other uses will intensify pressure on essential resources, the scientists said. "The UN predicts that we must increase food production by 70% by mid-century. This will place additional pressure on our already stressed water resources, at a time when we also need to allocate more water to satisfy global energy demand – which is expected to rise 60% over the coming 30 years – and to generate electricity for the 1.3 billion people currently without it," said the report.

Overeating, undernourishment and waste are all on the rise and increased food production may face future constraints from water scarcity.

"We will need a new recipe to feed the world in the future," said the report's editor, Anders Jägerskog.

A separate report from the International Water Management Institute (IWMI) said the best way for countries to protect millions of farmers from food insecurity in sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia was to help them invest in small pumps and simple technology, rather than to develop expensive, large-scale irrigation projects.

"We've witnessed again and again what happens to the world's poor – the majority of whom depend on agriculture for their livelihoods and already suffer from water scarcity – when they are at the mercy of our fragile global food system," said Dr Colin Chartres, the director general.

"Farmers across the developing world are increasingly relying on and benefiting from small-scale, locally-relevant water solutions. [These] techniques could increase yields up to 300% and add tens of billions of US dollars to household revenues across sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia."

Well.....shit. There goes my Whataburger. I think we need to quadruple the funding into research of Invitro Meat.


Welp, time to add vegetarians to the menu.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:15 pm

In a few decades? Try now.
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Postby Williamson » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:23 pm

it might help if fast food resteruants like mcdonalds or wendy don't serve triple pounder with 20 piece of bacon on it.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:25 pm

Williamson wrote:it might help if fast food resteruants like mcdonalds or wendy don't serve triple pounder with 20 piece of bacon on it.


The only way this will ever happen is if meat is either banned, or the public changes their dietary habits. Don't blame McDonalds for supplying something that the people demand. To do so is silly.
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Postby Williamson » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Williamson wrote:it might help if fast food resteruants like mcdonalds or wendy don't serve triple pounder with 20 piece of bacon on it.


The only way this will ever happen is if meat is either banned, or the public changes their dietary habits. Don't blame McDonalds for supplying something that the people demand. To do so is silly.

i was saying that all of that is food for one meal is unnescary.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:39 pm

Williamson wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
The only way this will ever happen is if meat is either banned, or the public changes their dietary habits. Don't blame McDonalds for supplying something that the people demand. To do so is silly.

i was saying that all of that is food for one meal is unnescary.


Of course it is. Portion sizes in general in America is completely absurd. Again though, the consumers should be the ones trying to change that.
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Postby Williamson » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Williamson wrote:i was saying that all of that is food for one meal is unnescary.


Of course it is. Portion sizes in general in America is completely absurd. Again though, the consumers should be the ones trying to change that.

your right about that. I guess it sounded like i was saying it was all the resteruans fault.

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Why not just develop an airborne sterilization chemical and disperse it over third-world countries? Problem solved.


Because it will never disperse to second or even first world countries right?


Well, yeah, given that they haven't existed since the collapse of the Soviet Union...
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Postby Vazeckta » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:50 pm

We should go to Mars and eat the aliens.

I really hope that this doesn't happen. I like my bison burgers and curry goat.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:56 pm

Genivaria wrote:Well no not literally ALL gone, but a new study has shown that in a few decades we'll have to radically alter our diets.

Food shortages could force world into vegetarianism, warn scientists
Water scarcity's effect on food production means radical steps will be needed to feed population expected to reach 9bn by 2050

Leading water scientists have issued one of the sternest warnings yet about global food supplies, saying that the world's population may have to switch almost completely to a vegetarian diet over the next 40 years to avoid catastrophic shortages.

Humans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050, according to research by some of the world's leading water scientists.

"There will not be enough water available on current croplands to produce food for the expected 9 billion population in 2050 if we follow current trends and changes towards diets common in western nations," the report by Malik Falkenmark and colleagues at the Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI) said.

"There will be just enough water if the proportion of animal-based foods is limited to 5% of total calories and considerable regional water deficits can be met by a … reliable system of food trade."

Dire warnings of water scarcity limiting food production come as Oxfam and the UN prepare for a possible second global food crisis in five years. Prices for staples such as corn and wheat have risen nearly 50% on international markets since June, triggered by severe droughts in the US and Russia, and weak monsoon rains in Asia. More than 18 million people are already facing serious food shortages across the Sahel.

Oxfam has forecast that the price spike will have a devastating impact in developing countries that rely heavily on food imports, including parts of Latin America, North Africa and the Middle East. Food shortages in 2008 led to civil unrest in 28 countries.

Adopting a vegetarian diet is one option to increase the amount of water available to grow more food in an increasingly climate-erratic world, the scientists said. Animal protein-rich food consumes five to 10 times more water than a vegetarian diet. One third of the world's arable land is used to grow crops to feed animals. Other options to feed people include eliminating waste and increasing trade between countries in food surplus and those in deficit.

"Nine hundred million people already go hungry and 2 billion people are malnourished in spite of the fact that per capita food production continues to increase," they said. "With 70% of all available water being in agriculture, growing more food to feed an additional 2 billion people by 2050 will place greater pressure on available water and land."

The report is being released at the start of the annual world water conference in Stockholm, Sweden, where 2,500 politicians, UN bodies, non-governmental groups and researchers from 120 countries meet to address global water supply problems.

Competition for water between food production and other uses will intensify pressure on essential resources, the scientists said. "The UN predicts that we must increase food production by 70% by mid-century. This will place additional pressure on our already stressed water resources, at a time when we also need to allocate more water to satisfy global energy demand – which is expected to rise 60% over the coming 30 years – and to generate electricity for the 1.3 billion people currently without it," said the report.

Overeating, undernourishment and waste are all on the rise and increased food production may face future constraints from water scarcity.

"We will need a new recipe to feed the world in the future," said the report's editor, Anders Jägerskog.

A separate report from the International Water Management Institute (IWMI) said the best way for countries to protect millions of farmers from food insecurity in sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia was to help them invest in small pumps and simple technology, rather than to develop expensive, large-scale irrigation projects.

"We've witnessed again and again what happens to the world's poor – the majority of whom depend on agriculture for their livelihoods and already suffer from water scarcity – when they are at the mercy of our fragile global food system," said Dr Colin Chartres, the director general.

"Farmers across the developing world are increasingly relying on and benefiting from small-scale, locally-relevant water solutions. [These] techniques could increase yields up to 300% and add tens of billions of US dollars to household revenues across sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia."

Well.....shit. There goes my Whataburger. I think we need to quadruple the funding into research of Invitro Meat.

The study also says "No more electricity!" if you put it that way.
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Postby Ende » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:00 pm

You know, there's an easy solution to both a lack of meat and overpopulation at the same time!

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Ende wrote:You know, there's an easy solution to both a lack of meat and overpopulation at the same time!

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No. Labor is a crucial commodity. We need more competent scientists and engineers, for example.
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