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Your opinion on Islam

Islam is a good religion
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27%
Islam is a decent relgion
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14%
Islam is meh
43
32%
Islam is bad
20
15%
Islam is evil
17
13%
 
Total votes : 136

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:43 pm

I have a question, is Allah the same God as the God of the Christians and the Jews? Or is He a different deity?
1 John 1:9

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:45 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I have a question, is Allah the same God as the God of the Christians and the Jews? Or is He a different deity?


He's basically Jupiter.
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Postby Sulamalik » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:50 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I have a question, is Allah the same God as the God of the Christians and the Jews? Or is He a different deity?


Allah is the arabic word for God. When a person says Allah, they are saying God. The God of the Qur'an is the same God of the Bible and the Torah. His nature is simply interpreted differently than Chirstanity or Judaism.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:51 pm

Sulamalik wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I have a question, is Allah the same God as the God of the Christians and the Jews? Or is He a different deity?


Allah is the arabic word for God. When a person says Allah, they are saying God. The God of the Qur'an is the same God of the Bible and the Torah. He's nature is simply interpreted differently than Chirstanity or Judaism.


Okay, thank you clarifying.

I personally believed and still believe that they are the same person, but I was not entirely convinced.
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Postby What a shame » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:53 pm

What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.


^This. I am a Christian, but I actually agree to this.
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Postby New Tollan » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:53 pm

What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.


People are people. There are bound to be very nice Muslims and Christians, as well as very rude Muslims and Christians.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:55 pm

What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.


It's a dick waving contest to see who can be bigger jerks.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Sulamalik » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:57 pm

What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.


I wouldn't say America is negative to Islam, I would say that some Americans are. It's natural for people to be hostile of the unknown, it's what kept us from being killed while we still lived in caves. Before the Muslims were the great big bad guy it was the Jews, the Irish, The Catholics, etc. However, this trend of xenophobia in America is slowly disappearing.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:01 pm

I love the Muslims.
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Postby Sulamalik » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:05 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I love the Muslims.


That's very nice, and I appreciate the bridge builiding effort, but it's not needed. There are some pretty evil Muslims out there, just as there's a lot of good ones too. What's most important is that we judge people, all people, by their actions, not their race or creed.
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Postby Coccygia » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:06 pm

What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.

Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:08 pm

Coccygia wrote:
What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.

Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?


Uh uh uh. Stereotyping. Most Muslims are peace loving. We are fighting terrorists not the Muslims. Yes, the terrorists happen to be Muslim, but we did not declare war on the Muslims, we declare war on terrorism.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Sulamalik » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:08 pm

Coccygia wrote:
What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.

Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?


Do you believe all Muslims should be treated as terrorists who directly caused 9/11?
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:10 pm

Sulamalik wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I love the Muslims.


That's very nice, and I appreciate the bridge builiding effort, but it's not needed. There are some pretty evil Muslims out there, just as there's a lot of good ones too. What's most important is that we judge people, all people, by their actions, not their race or creed.


I agree, there are evil Christians as well. I think Hitler was Catholic. I saw the Crusades as unnecessary and despite being a devout Christian, I think the Muslims were justified.

I used to be an Islamophobe until I studied Islam and got to know some Muslims in RL and in NS, and that totally changed my opinion of them.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:10 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Sulamalik wrote:
That's very nice, and I appreciate the bridge builiding effort, but it's not needed. There are some pretty evil Muslims out there, just as there's a lot of good ones too. What's most important is that we judge people, all people, by their actions, not their race or creed.


I agree, there are evil Christians as well. I think Hitler was Catholic. I saw the Crusades as unnecessary and despite being a devout Christian, I think the Muslims were justified.

I used to be an Islamophobe until I studied Islam and got to know some Muslims in RL and in NS, and that totally changed my opinion of them.


I don't think Hitler was Catholic.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:12 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
I agree, there are evil Christians as well. I think Hitler was Catholic. I saw the Crusades as unnecessary and despite being a devout Christian, I think the Muslims were justified.

I used to be an Islamophobe until I studied Islam and got to know some Muslims in RL and in NS, and that totally changed my opinion of them.


I don't think Hitler was Catholic.


I figured he was either Catholic or Agnostic Atheist.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Coccygia » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:13 pm

Sulamalik wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?

Do you believe all Muslims should be treated as terrorists who directly caused 9/11?

That question is inept, to say nothing of predictable. Anyway, the guy asked why America is so negative about Muslims, and that's why. Not that we were altogether positive before that, but afterwards is when the US turned against Muslims.
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"A book, any book, is a sacred object." - Jorge Luis Borges
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Postby What a shame » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:21 pm

Coccygia wrote:
What a shame wrote:Why is America so negative of Muslims? They seem nicer than most Christians.

Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?


Right, because the actions of a few fully show the nature of many.

I have no idea what form of Islam Osama and his compatriots were from, but what about Sunni or Shiite Muslims? Should they be flamed because they had a few guys who did something wrong?

If that was the case, we should all hate Christians and Catholics. Why? Crusades.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:25 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
I don't think Hitler was Catholic.


I figured he was either Catholic or Agnostic Atheist.


I don't think he was either. He was...strange to say the least.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:26 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
I figured he was either Catholic or Agnostic Atheist.


I don't think he was either. He was...strange to say the least.


I think I will look up what his religion was.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:27 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
I don't think he was either. He was...strange to say the least.


I think I will look up what his religion was.

Good luck. You'll need it.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Norsklow » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:30 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ ... olf_Hitler

Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]


A lapsed catholic. An apostate.
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Postby Seres » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:32 pm

I've never seen any convincing evidence that islam is evil. If someone who believes this could make the case, I'd be thankful.


Most muslims I've seen seem to hate most islamic countries and they say they are going against islamic belief.
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Postby Sulamalik » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:33 pm

Coccygia wrote:
Sulamalik wrote:Do you believe all Muslims should be treated as terrorists who directly caused 9/11?

That question is inept, to say nothing of predictable. Anyway, the guy asked why America is so negative about Muslims, and that's why. Not that we were altogether positive before that, but afterwards is when the US turned against Muslims.


You're right, I apologize for making assumptions about your personal beliefs. I was wrong and shouldn't of asked that question.
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