Islam Discussion Thread

[Nordengrund]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]

A lapsed catholic. An apostate.

Ah, so he was a Catholic.

[Coccygia]

Does the phrase "World Trade Center" ring any bells?

Right, because the actions of a few fully show the nature of many.

I have no idea what form of Islam Osama and his compatriots were from, but what about Sunni or Shiite Muslims? Should they be flamed because they had a few guys who did something wrong?

If that was the case, we should all hate Christians and Catholics. Why? Crusades.

Oh, another one who automatically accuses me of blaming all Muslims, never mind that I said nothing remotely of the sort, did I now? Just so's you know, Osama & his boys were Wahhabi Muslims, an extreme form of Sunni Islam.

[Mavorpen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler



A lapsed catholic. An apostate.

Ah, so he was a Catholic.

I can already foresee Arch coming in here to explain how Hitler wasn't Catholic.

[Seres]

A lapsed catholic. An apostate.

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/religion.htm


"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance."


Hitler disliked Christianity.

[Sulamalik]

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/religion.htm


"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance."


Hitler disliked Christianity.

The religion of Hitler really doesn't have any bearing to this discussion. The crimes he committed were for secular reasons. Even if he used Catholicism as a justification for the holocaust (which some Nazi's did) it wouldn't reflect back onto Christianity.

[What a shame]

Right, because the actions of a few fully show the nature of many.

I have no idea what form of Islam Osama and his compatriots were from, but what about Sunni or Shiite Muslims? Should they be flamed because they had a few guys who did something wrong?

If that was the case, we should all hate Christians and Catholics. Why? Crusades.

Oh, another one who automatically accuses me of blaming all Muslims, never mind that I said nothing remotely of the sort, did I now? Just so's you know, Osama & his boys were Wahhabi Muslims, an extreme form of Sunni Islam.

Oh, I see. I apologize. Usually when someone uses the argument of the WTC attacks as a reason to hate Muslims, they're usually (in my experience) anti-Islamic.

[Thomas Insaniac]

(I should mention, I was born a Muslim.)

The Religion has many flaws, it's nowhere near the best and it's not the worst religion around.

[Mavorpen]

The religion of Hitler really doesn't have any bearing to this discussion. The crimes he committed were for secular reasons. Even if he used Catholicism as a justification for the holocaust (which some Nazi's did) it wouldn't reflect back onto Christianity.

The problem is that Christianity made the anti-Semitism much easier for the German public to accept. Anti-semitism by Christians in Germany was already rather engraved into the culture at the time in the first place, to the point that many Nazis did believe that they were "doing the Lord's work."

[Coccygia]

Oh, another one who automatically accuses me of blaming all Muslims, never mind that I said nothing remotely of the sort, did I now? Just so's you know, Osama & his boys were Wahhabi Muslims, an extreme form of Sunni Islam.

Oh, I see. I apologize. Usually when someone uses the argument of the WTC attacks as a reason to hate Muslims, they're usually (in my experience) anti-Islamic.

You ninnyhammer, I wasn't saying why I hate Muslims (I don't) but why the US hates Muslims, and I did not say it was justifiable. I realize such a subtle distinction is beyond most of the folks in this thread. YOU WANNA ARGUE THE POINT I ACTUALLY MADE AND NOT SOMETHING ELSE, OK? GOD I AM TIRED OF THIS "YOU HATE ALL MUZLIMZ" CRAP YOU BRAIN DEAD IMBECILES!

Thank you for your time and have a NICE day!

[Sulamalik]

The religion of Hitler really doesn't have any bearing to this discussion. The crimes he committed were for secular reasons. Even if he used Catholicism as a justification for the holocaust (which some Nazi's did) it wouldn't reflect back onto Christianity.

The problem is that Christianity made the anti-Semitism much easier for the German public to accept. Anti-semitism by Christians in Germany was already rather engraved into the culture at the time in the first place, to the point that many Nazis did believe that they were "doing the Lord's work."

Yes, but it was Christians who committed the holocaust, not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew who observed Jewish traditions. If more Catholics acted like their Christ the world wouldn't have so many problems .

[North Calaveras]

The problem is that Christianity made the anti-Semitism much easier for the German public to accept. Anti-semitism by Christians in Germany was already rather engraved into the culture at the time in the first place, to the point that many Nazis did believe that they were "doing the Lord's work."

Yes, but it was Christians who committed the holocaust, not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew who observed Jewish traditions. If more Catholics acted like their Christ the world wouldn't have so many problems .

Not it was Nazis who committed the holocaust, the christian part of them wasn't really a big part of there reasoning, they might have been christian but I would use the word Nazi because that's really what it comes down to.

[Norsklow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler



A lapsed catholic. An apostate.

Ah, so he was a Catholic.

Not after he lapsed. As in: ceasing to be a Christian.

[Sulamalik]

Oh, I see. I apologize. Usually when someone uses the argument of the WTC attacks as a reason to hate Muslims, they're usually (in my experience) anti-Islamic.

You ninnyhammer, I wasn't saying why I hate Muslims (I don't) but why the US hates Muslims, and I did not say it was justifiable. I realize such a subtle distinction is beyond most of the folks in this thread. YOU WANNA ARGUE THE POINT I ACTUALLY MADE AND NOT SOMETHING ELSE, OK? GOD I AM TIRED OF THIS "YOU HATE ALL MUZLIMZ" CRAP YOU BRAIN DEAD IMBECILES!

Thank you for your time and have a NICE day!

He apologized for the mistake, you don't have to get upset.

No one's forcing you to contribute to this thread. You haven't really added any meaningful discussion since you've posted here. Maybe you should try another thread?

[Mavorpen]

Yes, but it was Christians who committed the holocaust, not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew who observed Jewish traditions. If more Catholics acted like their Christ the world wouldn't have so many problems .

Personally I don't like Jesus' philosophy at all.

[Sulamalik]

Yes, but it was Christians who committed the holocaust, not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew who observed Jewish traditions. If more Catholics acted like their Christ the world wouldn't have so many problems .

Not it was Nazis who committed the holocaust, the christian part of them wasn't really a big part of there reasoning, they might have been christian but I would use the word Nazi because that's really what it comes down to.

Yes. That is actually my exact point.

[Sulamalik]

Yes, but it was Christians who committed the holocaust, not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew who observed Jewish traditions. If more Catholics acted like their Christ the world wouldn't have so many problems .

Personally I don't like Jesus' philosophy at all.

That's fair. Many people in the world don't either.

[North Calaveras]

Not it was Nazis who committed the holocaust, the christian part of them wasn't really a big part of there reasoning, they might have been christian but I would use the word Nazi because that's really what it comes down to.

Yes. That is actually my exact point.

oh woops your right my bad

[Mavorpen]

Not it was Nazis who committed the holocaust, the christian part of them wasn't really a big part of there reasoning, they might have been christian but I would use the word Nazi because that's really what it comes down to.

Many of them were Christian. And many of them did have "Gott Mit Uns" on their belts. It's obvious that Christianity was a large part of the culture and it allowed anti-Semitism to flourish. I'm not going to argue that "CHRISTIANITY TEH EBUL" though.

[Coccygia]

You ninnyhammer, I wasn't saying why I hate Muslims (I don't) but why the US hates Muslims, and I did not say it was justifiable. I realize such a subtle distinction is beyond most of the folks in this thread. YOU WANNA ARGUE THE POINT I ACTUALLY MADE AND NOT SOMETHING ELSE, OK? GOD I AM TIRED OF THIS "YOU HATE ALL MUZLIMZ" CRAP YOU BRAIN DEAD IMBECILES!

Thank you for your time and have a NICE day!

He apologized for the mistake, you don't have to get upset.

No one's forcing you to contribute to this thread. You haven't really added any meaningful discussion since you've posted here. Maybe you should try another thread?

I took his "apology" as sarcasm, and in any case he wasn't the only one. You were the other.

[Sulamalik]

He apologized for the mistake, you don't have to get upset.

No one's forcing you to contribute to this thread. You haven't really added any meaningful discussion since you've posted here. Maybe you should try another thread?

I took his "apology" as sarcasm, and in any case he wasn't the only one. You were the other.

VV---VV

That question is inept, to say nothing of predictable. Anyway, the guy asked why America is so negative about Muslims, and that's why. Not that we were altogether positive before that, but afterwards is when the US turned against Muslims.

You're right, I apologize for making assumptions about your personal beliefs. I was wrong and shouldn't of asked that question.

[Pravengria]

I think the Quran is quite a piece of work, and the scientific advancements made through Islam in the middle ages and such is quite extraordinary when looking at backwards Europe. Do I agree with 'Islamic' governments today? No. And I can't stand Islamophobia.

[Mavorpen]

I think the Quran is quite a piece of work, and the scientific advancements made through Islam in the middle ages and such is quite extraordinary when looking at backwards Europe. Do I agree with 'Islamic' governments today? No. And I can't stand Islamophobia.

Ehhh, I have trouble attributing such things to "Islam." It's a human achievement, and the people happened to be Muslim.

[Sulamalik]

I think the Quran is quite a piece of work, and the scientific advancements made through Islam in the middle ages and such is quite extraordinary when looking at backwards Europe. Do I agree with 'Islamic' governments today? No. And I can't stand Islamophobia.

Ehhh, I have trouble attributing such things to "Islam." It's a human achievement, and the people happened to be Muslim.

Perhaps not by the religion itself, but I'd say Islam inspired culture help foster an appreciation for the arts and sciences in the Middle East. Islam advanced science in the same way Catholicism retarded science in Europe.

[Pravengria]

I think the Quran is quite a piece of work, and the scientific advancements made through Islam in the middle ages and such is quite extraordinary when looking at backwards Europe. Do I agree with 'Islamic' governments today? No. And I can't stand Islamophobia.

Ehhh, I have trouble attributing such things to "Islam." It's a human achievement, and the people happened to be Muslim.

True, but when you compare it in to geographical terms and then look at the culture and such. Europe under the Catholic church was ass-backwards like hell, pardon the pun. While the Muslim kingdoms seemed to flourish quite well.

[Mavorpen]

Ehhh, I have trouble attributing such things to "Islam." It's a human achievement, and the people happened to be Muslim.

Perhaps not by the religion itself, but I'd say Islam inspired culture help foster an appreciation for the arts and sciences in the Middle East. Islam advanced science in the same way Catholicism retarded science in Europe.

I don't think that's how it works. Neil DeGrasse Tyson puts it best.