Islam Discussion Thread

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Simple enough. The highly debated religion of Islam, is its teachings good and moral? Are Muslims terrorists, or just good faithful people? Was Muhammad truly a prophet, or just a liar? Simply a thread to discuss and debate Islam and its teachings. I think that it is a fascinating religion, and that its members are most likely good people who are slandered due to a minority of terrorists. Muhammad, although I think Jesus was the last prophet, was a good teacher of morality even if he didnt actually see the Archangel Gabriel. THINE opinion on this religion NSG?

[Saruhan]

Not to nitpick, but wouldn't it be "thine" opinion?

[Gauthier]

Another Islamic dicussion thread that's waiting to be a soapbox on how Muslims are evil.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Not to nitpick, but wouldn't it be "thine" opinion?

Damnable grammar nazis! Kidding. Thanks.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Poll added in case people want to vote on their opinion.

[Meryuma]

I vehemently oppose a lot of beliefs held by the majority of Muslims but I hate the alarmist xenophobic shit people say about Islam.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

I vehemently oppose a lot of beliefs held by the majority of Muslims but I hate the alarmist xenophobic shit people say about Islam.

Care to highlight a few beliefs you oppose the most?

[Farnhamia]

Not to nitpick, but wouldn't it be "thine" opinion?

Damnable grammar nazis! Kidding. Thanks.

Thou art welcome, filthy infidel.

[Cetacea]

Not to nitpick, but wouldn't it be "thine" opinion?

Damnable grammar nazis! Kidding. Thanks.

actually it's your. The question was asked to the group and your is the plural form. In the singular one word use Thy as the genetive ( Thine is possessive and equivalent to the first person mine)

Anyway

Islam is A religion, serving the same purpose as all other ancient religions be they Judaism, Christian, Islam, Hindu, Shinto or Shamanism.

Religion is not good or evil per se and fanaticism and terrorism are not necessary attributes (although zeal is) and so that part of the question is moot.

[Meryuma]

I vehemently oppose a lot of beliefs held by the majority of Muslims but I hate the alarmist xenophobic shit people say about Islam.

Care to highlight a few beliefs you oppose the most?

- Vilification of homosexuality
- Women having to cover their heads
- Belief in Hell
- Infallibility of a holy text
- Creationism
- Religious wars being justifiable

Basically stuff that applies to conservative Abrahamic religious groups in general, which includes the majority of (though not all) Muslims.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Care to highlight a few beliefs you oppose the most?

- Vilification of homosexuality
- Women having to cover their heads
- Belief in Hell
- Infallibility of a holy text
- Creationism
- Religious wars being justifiable

Basically stuff that applies to conservative Abrahamic religious groups in general, which includes the majority of (though not all) Muslims.

Odd I agree with most of those...

[Napkiraly]

There are good things, and there are bad things. As it is with any other religion.

[Capitolinium]

In muslim countries they aren't very good at practicing the religious tolerance they demand in nonmuslim countries.

[Nordengrund]

I used to be an Islamophobe, but that was when I was ignorant and did not know much about the religion. Despite their fundamental policies, I have grown to believe that Muslims are good people and have their own way of interpreting the world and their own way of trying to make it a better place. Most Muslims I met are also nice people. They are misunderstood. I also learned that the phrase "Kill the infidel" is mistranslated. Muslims are non- violent (maybe pacifists) and that verse gave them the right to defend themselves against non- Muslims, but some people (as well as the terrorists) have decided it means to kill all who are not Muslim.

[Antoniland]

Islam is a horrible religion. I have read the Quran and some of the Hadiths and they are books of hate. In Surah 4 it flat out says that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half as much as mans testimony which is great when a woman was a victim of a crime in which the perpetrator was a man and there were no witnesses :\ Islamic law calls for the death of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave Islam, and blasphemers. Also in Islam if a married man wants sex with his wife even if she doesn't want she still has to do it in Islam. Also when it comes to blood money in Islam to make up for the accidental death of another the blood money system basically says that a muslim woman is only worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" man is worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" woman is worth only a quarter as much as a muslim man. Islam is an evil religion that just isn't compatible with good, reason or human rights for that matter.

[Nordengrund]

Islam is a horrible religion. I have read the Quran and some of the Hadiths and they are books of hate. In Surah 4 it flat out says that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half as much as mans testimony which is great when a woman was a victim of a crime in which the perpetrator was a man and there were no witnesses :\ Islamic law calls for the death of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave Islam, and blasphemers. Also in Islam if a married man wants sex with his wife even if she doesn't want she still has to do it in Islam. Also when it comes to blood money in Islam to make up for the accidental death of another the blood money system basically says that a muslim woman is only worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" man is worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" woman is worth only a quarter as much as a muslim man. Islam is an evil religion that just isn't compatible with good, reason or human rights for that matter.

No religion is evil. All beliefs, even Atheism, has its pros and cons. Certain practices may be evil, but no religion itself is evil.

[Swith Witherward]

Islam is a horrible religion. I have read the Quran and some of the Hadiths and they are books of hate. In Surah 4 it flat out says that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half as much as mans testimony which is great when a woman was a victim of a crime in which the perpetrator was a man and there were no witnesses :\ Islamic law calls for the death of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave Islam, and blasphemers. Also in Islam if a married man wants sex with his wife even if she doesn't want she still has to do it in Islam. Also when it comes to blood money in Islam to make up for the accidental death of another the blood money system basically says that a muslim woman is only worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" man is worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" woman is worth only a quarter as much as a muslim man. Islam is an evil religion that just isn't compatible with good, reason or human rights for that matter.

Consider the time period. Also consider that the Christian bible contains instances of people being stoned, especially those who were adulterers. There are still men today (in America, no less) who believe that a woman's role is to cook, clean, pleasure him and have babies regardless of how she feels. Women fought for the right to vote, the right to work, the right to choose a mate. There are women in the world who have only recently gained rights. There are women who won't have rights until 2015.

Why blame Islam for a world-wide issue?

[Antoniland]

Islam is a horrible religion. I have read the Quran and some of the Hadiths and they are books of hate. In Surah 4 it flat out says that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half as much as mans testimony which is great when a woman was a victim of a crime in which the perpetrator was a man and there were no witnesses :\ Islamic law calls for the death of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave Islam, and blasphemers. Also in Islam if a married man wants sex with his wife even if she doesn't want she still has to do it in Islam. Also when it comes to blood money in Islam to make up for the accidental death of another the blood money system basically says that a muslim woman is only worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" man is worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" woman is worth only a quarter as much as a muslim man. Islam is an evil religion that just isn't compatible with good, reason or human rights for that matter.

Consider the time period. Also consider that the Christian bible contains instances of people being stoned, especially those who were adulterers. There are still men today (in America, no less) who believe that a woman's role is to cook, clean, pleasure him and have babies regardless of how she feels. Women fought for the right to vote, the right to work, the right to choose a mate. There are women in the world who have only recently gained rights. There are women who won't have rights until 2015.

Why blame Islam for a world-wide issue?

Please point out the part in my original statement in which I said that other religions were innocent.

[Saiwania]

Islam is a horrible religion. I have read the Quran and some of the Hadiths and they are books of hate. In Surah 4 it flat out says that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half as much as mans testimony which is great when a woman was a victim of a crime in which the perpetrator was a man and there were no witnesses :\ Islamic law calls for the death of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave Islam, and blasphemers. Also in Islam if a married man wants sex with his wife even if she doesn't want she still has to do it in Islam. Also when it comes to blood money in Islam to make up for the accidental death of another the blood money system basically says that a muslim woman is only worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" man is worth half as much as a muslim man and an "infidel" woman is worth only a quarter as much as a muslim man. Islam is an evil religion that just isn't compatible with good, reason or human rights for that matter.

No religion is evil. All beliefs, even Atheism, has its pros and cons. Certain practices may be evil, but no religion itself is evil.

That doesn't make any sense from my perspective. It isn't a given that all religions are inherently good, because that isn't always the case. Some religions merely exist to exert control over their adherents lives or to cause harm, as is the case with Scientology or Satanism.

I believe that Antoniland is absolutely correct about Islam being evil in those respects. The fact remains that most Islamic nations do not respect human rights and have yet to show any signs of progress on that, if anything it is regressing in response to secularism. It is very intolerant of any change from the Quran/Hadiths and interpretation of either is rather limited. It is simply impossible to have Shariah law without violating the rights of women and non-Muslims.

[New Rogernomics]

Care to highlight a few beliefs you oppose the most?

- Vilification of homosexuality
- Women having to cover their heads
- Belief in Hell
- Infallibility of a holy text
- Creationism
- Religious wars being justifiable

Basically stuff that applies to conservative Abrahamic religious groups in general, which includes the majority of (though not all) Muslims.

Pretty much that, and obsession about converting the world to their faith (often through violent means).

[Menassa]

An IDT started by a christian....... come on NSG....

all be it a friend..... but 'come on.

[The Slyfalsian Dystopia]

- Vilification of homosexuality
- Women having to cover their heads
- Belief in Hell
- Infallibility of a holy text
- Creationism
- Religious wars being justifiable

Basically stuff that applies to conservative Abrahamic religious groups in general, which includes the majority of (though not all) Muslims.

Pretty much that, and obsession about converting the world to their faith (often through violent means).

Islam is not any worse than Christianity was in putting people to the sword. Hell, they even had the option when you were conquered to keep your faith(albeit with a high infidel tax) whereas Christianity just killed you if you did not convert.

[New Republic of Egypt]

Can someone (preferably Muslim) please explain to me the exact beliefs of Islam? I know that they"re not all terrorists,and that is a stereotype caused by 9/11. And I don't hate Islam or nothing,and I know that you believe in A God,instead of some beliefs that Muslims don't.But i"m just curious on the differences between Christianity and Islam.

[New Rogernomics]

Pretty much that, and obsession about converting the world to their faith (often through violent means).

Islam is not any worse than Christianity was in putting people to the sword. Hell, they even had the option when you were conquered to keep your faith(albeit with a high infidel tax) whereas Christianity just killed you if you did not convert.

In parts of Africa yes, but the reverse is the case in the rest of the world. Depends which religion is dominant, where Christianity is dominant it can be quite dangerous to follow another faith; Buddhism and Islam are quite dangerous to those that follow other religions where they are dominant too.

[Nordengrund]

Islam is not any worse than Christianity was in putting people to the sword. Hell, they even had the option when you were conquered to keep your faith(albeit with a high infidel tax) whereas Christianity just killed you if you did not convert.

In parts of Africa yes, but the reverse is the case in the rest of the world. Depends which religion is dominant, where Christianity is dominant it can be quite dangerous to follow another faith; Buddhism and Islam are quite dangerous to those that follow other religions where they are dominant too.

As far as I know, Buddhism is a peaceful religion. I have never heard of violent Buddhists.