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Postby Delator » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:54 pm

The USOT wrote:What is to you the most terrifying ideology?


Whichever one has the most idealistic adherents...as an idealist can be convinced to do anything if you can convince him/her it's "for the cause"

Political and economic ideologies tend to be sprinters, not marathon runners...so probably one religion or another.

Most (all?) religions want me to change for them, and won't be happy with me until I do. Pretty terrifying.
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Postby Coccygia » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Dunno why I didn't mention...Tea-Baggers. :eek: Scariest ideology to be significant in the USA.
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Postby Volnotova » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:52 pm

Whatever the fuck the Communist Party of Kampuchea adhered to...

I'd rather live under Juche and National-Socialism than that...
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Postby Brassica Primes Cabbage Followers » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:39 am

Centrism.
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Postby Los Malvinas Son Peruano » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:40 am

Brassica Primes Cabbage Followers wrote:Centrism.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:57 am

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Likes Nietzsche? Clearly ITG troll who wont last the summer.

Man, NSG liberals are hilarious. Anyone who isn't a touchy feely humanist is just dismissed.

When they're talking about how they're going to clap the "slave-moralists" in irons, yeah, they are.

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Postby Volnotova » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:53 am

Scithion wrote:Slave Morality, also known as all Morality.

Morality calls some things "good" and some things "evil," and then says "Don't do the evil things!"

What weaklings. It is not that picking morality is an act of weakness, but that morality is just a manifest way to pretend that purpose is imbued in action before one has decided what one wants. In adopting morality, one wills oneself into weakness.

For any goal, there are "good" things that help achieve that goal, and then there are "bad" things for that goal. But I suppose the fettered, the slave-moralists, can keep their delusions. But it will be funny when they complain that I am locking more literal chains upon them; they will claim to deserve better. The corpse of their will oozes out and tries to smother me in their lack of self-actualization. What a waste of potential.


Moralism is the veneration of and the obsession with animalistic instincts and morality induced compulsions, it's the rationalisation of urges and compelling and coercing emotions that are the result of millions of years of evolution, environmental factors and social engineering.

Moralism is animalistic.

Non-moralists can live without urge, moralists are the slaves of their own instinct.

Loli Pangaea wrote:Religious extremism, any far right wing economic ideology, and the concept of a dictatorship or oligarchy. I have a feeling most people would say about the same thing though.


I find the idea of oligarchy(if factionalist) highly appealing.
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Postby Immoren » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:12 am

Brassica Primes Cabbage Followers wrote:Centrism.

Wat?
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Postby Hydesland » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:39 am

Economic: People who are fundamentally anti-civilisation, people who are fundamentally anti-markets of any kind under nearly any situation, people who are fundamentally anti-public goods of any kind.

Social: Nazis, obv

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:51 am

Hydesland wrote:Economic: People who are fundamentally anti-civilisation, people who are fundamentally anti-markets of any kind under nearly any situation, people who are fundamentally anti-public goods of any kind.

Social: Nazis, obv

The only thing worse than the Nazis would be the Nazis without the snazzy uniforms.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:54 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Economic: People who are fundamentally anti-civilisation, people who are fundamentally anti-markets of any kind under nearly any situation, people who are fundamentally anti-public goods of any kind.

Social: Nazis, obv

The only thing worse than the Nazis would be the Nazis without the snazzy uniforms.

Nazis in rumpled South American guerrilla patch'n'mix unis?

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Postby Winland » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Economic: People who are fundamentally anti-civilisation, people who are fundamentally anti-markets of any kind under nearly any situation, people who are fundamentally anti-public goods of any kind.

Social: Nazis, obv

The only thing worse than the Nazis would be the Nazis without the snazzy uniforms.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:01 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only thing worse than the Nazis would be the Nazis without the snazzy uniforms.

Nazis in rumpled South American guerrilla patch'n'mix unis?

Nazis in something Hitler designed himself.

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Postby Raticonia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:01 am

I despise neo-Liberalism and what it does to the poor, the sick and the old, people who are simply not capable of makin a fortune out of themselves. Society needs to stand up for those, not private companies trying to make as much money availible from those who's got nothing to begin with.

Aside from that i really really despise ideologies with xenophobic and/or nationalist tendencies as, in my opinion, we are living in a more and more connected and globalized world and it will do us no good to shun foreign people, culture and language by locking ourselves up and isolate us from everyone in our corner of the world.

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Postby Xeng He » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:53 am

Volnotova wrote:
Moralism is the veneration of and the obsession with animalistic instincts and morality induced compulsions, it's the rationalisation of urges and compelling and coercing emotions that are the result of millions of years of evolution, environmental factors and social engineering.


So how is...pretty much any desire or goal in existence not based upon evolution, environment and social engineering?

I'd love to hear this, honestly.

Moralism is animalistic.

Non-moralists can live without urge, moralists are the slaves of their own instinct.


Everyone is a slave to their own instinct.
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Postby Coccygia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:36 pm

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Juche isn't bad. It's a lighter version of Korean nationalism. It's the corrupt leaders who made it bad and the nation that implemented Juche. If Juche was implemented under a great, benevolent leader, it would be a great thing.



Libertarianism.




Having studied most of the various schools of Marxist thought, I have to give props to Hoxha and Kim-Il-Sung. They developed nationalist ideologies and went their own way (especially Albania) in the face of immediate, ongoing, and ever-present foreign threats.

Albania had to deal with the real prospect of at least interference from Yugoslavia and at most outright invasion... They also had the guts to stand up to the Soviets and tell Kruschev to go pound salt.

Not that I'm a Marxist but Hoxha was essentially correct that Kruschev [aside from economic reality and human desire for freedom] doomed the Soviet Union by scaling back the purges and ending the terror and the emphasis on heavy industry. Kruschevite revisionism more or less helped open the gates which inevitably led to the desmise of the Soviet system. Communism NEEDS tyranny, it NEEDS terror, it needs constant and regular top-down purges. If Stalin had lived to be 120 years old, assuming he didn't blunder his way into WW3, the Soviet Union would still be around because his style of leadership was perfect for consolidating and maintaining a communist state.



The basic idea of Juche in regards to self-reliance and anti-capitalism, I can certainly respect that as a Fascist who would readily advocate autarky for the USA if a Fascist regime were to come to power and I were to obtain a position as an adviser to the new Fascist regime. For the record, I hope the DPRK holds out against American/NATO/capitalist pressure and doesn't cave or give in. I firmly believe they could use Fascism to strengthen their nation through promoting rapid industrialization and innovation, which would enable them to better withstand American pressure and possible American aggression.

I'm impressed. Most trolls wouldn't go to such lengths.
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Postby Liberbonia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:06 pm

Progressivism and Theocracies.

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Postby Zaras » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:11 pm

Liberbonia wrote:Progressivism


What are you, a fucking reactionary?

Oh, wait, don't answer that, I already know: yes, you are.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:19 pm

Zaras wrote:
Liberbonia wrote:Progressivism


What are you, a fucking reactionary?

Oh, wait, don't answer that, I already know: yes, you are.


Doesn't he only have 3 posts?

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Postby Death Metal » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:26 pm

Crusader Jerusalem wrote:or the record, I hope the DPRK holds out against American/NATO/capitalist pressure and doesn't cave or give in. I firmly believe they could use Fascism to strengthen their nation through promoting rapid industrialization and innovation,


...North Korea? The country with one actual city that's reserved for the elite while the rest of the nation works in what is essentially slave labor? THAT North Korea?

Yeah, that's not realistic.
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Postby Hatsunia » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:37 pm

Anything that involves totalitarianism. Also, religious extremism.
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Postby Shadowlandistan » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Social conservatism. There is absolutely NO reason to make policy that gets into the homes/bedrooms of people. Social conservatism is where intolerance and unbrithled hatred are born.
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Postby Phocidaea » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:54 pm

Politically? Far-right or far-left as a whole, especially when authoritarian (which, IMO, seems to come pretty naturally with both), especially the latter.

Philosophically? Pessimism, misanthropy, nihilism, Nietzscheism, or excessive skepticism. Honestly any philosophy that believes either humans or the universe are fundamentally evil, flawed beyond hope, selfish, or meaningless. If you believe any of these, why not consider suicide? Life is dark, evil, and meaningless to you anyway, after all, and the world would probably be better without your philosophies in the way. I'm definitely not an optimist, but I would clearly qualify as an agathist or meliorist (look 'em up), and maybe a humanist.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:09 pm

I don't know if you could call this 'political'

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