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Postby Jakaragua » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:52 pm

For ones that have been practiced, Nazism/Fascism, Stalinism or Theorcracy wouldn't be very pleasant in the slightest. For the merely idealized, any sort of "Right-Libertarianism/MInarchism/Anarchism".
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Postby Bleckonia » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:35 pm

Nazism, Stalinism, Theocracy
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Postby Nordengrund » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:36 pm

The extreme left and the extreme right are both pretty bad.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:37 pm

if we're being hypothetical, police state.
If we're being practical, communist police state.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:57 pm

Nordengrund wrote:The extreme left and the extreme right are both pretty bad.


Says a "Constitutionalist".


Yeah that's extreme right.

Anyway, Objectivism and anything Theocratic.

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:10 pm

The one that harms people it disagrees with.

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Postby Sioux Countystate » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:26 pm

Communism. I don't get why people here defend it. It's the ideology that gave us the gulags, or North Korean generals suspected of plotting to kill KJI being covered in gas and set on fire in a STADIUM full of people.

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:28 pm

Sioux Countystate wrote:Communism. I don't get why people here defend it. It's the ideology that gave us the gulags, or North Korean generals suspected of plotting to kill KJI being covered in gas and set on fire in a STADIUM full of people.

Because none of those states actually followed Marx's ideology.

It'd be like calling Christianity the "most terrifying ideology" because of the Branch-Davidians or the KKK.

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Postby Sioux Countystate » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:32 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Sioux Countystate wrote:Communism. I don't get why people here defend it. It's the ideology that gave us the gulags, or North Korean generals suspected of plotting to kill KJI being covered in gas and set on fire in a STADIUM full of people.

Because none of those states actually followed Marx's ideology.

It'd be like calling Christianity the "most terrifying ideology" because of the Branch-Davidians or the KKK.


Christianity has many sects and groups which do not follow those ideologies. How come no commie county has ever followed Marx's ideology, assuming that Cuba/PRNK/USSR is not the ultimate result of it?

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:37 pm

Sioux Countystate wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Because none of those states actually followed Marx's ideology.

It'd be like calling Christianity the "most terrifying ideology" because of the Branch-Davidians or the KKK.


Christianity has many sects and groups which do not follow those ideologies. How come no commie county has ever followed Marx's ideology, assuming that Cuba/PRNK/USSR is not the ultimate result of it?

Personally? I'd argue because it simply isn't feasible on a large scale. You can only really see it implemented on the Commune level, but I think it breaks down on the National level. But Marx argues for the end of the Nation-state anyway, not that I think that is practical either.

But, tbqh, one could really say the same of Christianity, it's just that not every sect fails to follow through violence.

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Postby The De Danann Nation » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:45 pm

The USOT wrote:Pretty simple question.

Personally off the top of my head it has to be something akin to National Bolshevism.
Whilst the ideology itself does not appear to have any consitency whatsoever, it seems to generally be a blanket term for people who like the extreme xenophobia and racial policies of Hitler whilst promoting the economic and totalitarian ideals of Joseph Stalin.

What is to you the most terrifying ideology?


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Postby Foguk » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:47 pm

I fear theocracy.

I fear my country turning into an Iraq or an Afghanistan.

The only thing comes anywhere near it is any politician resembling Reagan. I would seriously consider leaving leaving the country if we had a prolonged period of Reaganomics. I shudder at the thought.
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:48 pm

Maurepas wrote:The one that harms people it disagrees with.

The problem here is that all ideologies inevitably end up hurting people it disagrees with.

Liberals will always tax conservatives, and conservatives will always ban liberals from having abortions.
Even Right-libertarians such as myself who oppose initiation of force will support putting Neo-nazi mass murderer's in jail or executing them because we think the fact that they were killing Jews or Multiculturalist's isn't a good enough excuse and that retaliatory force is OK.
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:50 pm

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The one that harms people it disagrees with.

The problem here is that all ideologies inevitably end up hurting people it disagrees with.

Liberals will always tax conservatives, and conservatives will always ban liberals from having abortions.
Even Right-libertarians such as myself who oppose initiation of force will support putting Neo-nazi mass murderer's in jail or executing them because we think the fact that they were killing Jews or Multiculturalist's isn't a good enough excuse and that retaliatory force is OK.

And I'm usually not happy when it occurs. The problem with deciding a definitive "most" terrifying, is that it changes at a constant rate.

It's the one that's harming people at a given time.

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Postby Hockenberg » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:58 pm

Isolationism.
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Postby Foguk » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:02 pm

Hockenberg wrote:Isolationism.


Ok, you have to elaborate on this.
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Postby Barbary Bay » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:31 am

Militant theocracies / ultra nationalism
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Postby Sidhae » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:42 am

Stalinism and left-wing liberalism. The first I find abhorrent for historical reasons, and the last for endorsing actions and ideas both degenerate and detrimental to the nation under the guise of "liberty" and "civil rights", as well as often being grossly hypocritical.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:03 am

Sidhae wrote:Stalinism and left-wing liberalism. The first I find abhorrent for historical reasons, and the last for endorsing actions and ideas both degenerate and detrimental to the nation under the guise of "liberty" and "civil rights", as well as often being grossly hypocritical.


What have the Democrats (I presume you're an American) done that is bad while claiming to be a 'civil right'? There haven't been any particularly bad liberalising laws passed to the best of my knowledge.
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Postby Lompe Steen HAHA » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:05 am

Maurepas wrote:The one that harms people it disagrees with.
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Postby Republic of Tao Yuan » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:08 am

Bleckonia wrote:Nazism, Stalinism, Theocracy

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Postby Zaras » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:08 am

Sioux Countystate wrote:How come no commie county has ever followed Marx's ideology, assuming that Cuba/PRNK/USSR is not the ultimate result of it?


Because of those fucks Lenin and Stalin.
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Postby Zaras » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:09 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Sidhae wrote:Stalinism and left-wing liberalism. The first I find abhorrent for historical reasons, and the last for endorsing actions and ideas both degenerate and detrimental to the nation under the guise of "liberty" and "civil rights", as well as often being grossly hypocritical.


What have the Democrats (I presume you're an American) done that is bad while claiming to be a 'civil right'? There haven't been any particularly bad liberalising laws passed to the best of my knowledge.


Uh, Priory? Sidhae's a Nazi. I think you can extrapolate the answer from there.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
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Extreme right

Postby The Revolutionary Proletarian Republic » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:15 am

To me the extreme right is the worst thing ever

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:15 am

Zaras wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
What have the Democrats (I presume you're an American) done that is bad while claiming to be a 'civil right'? There haven't been any particularly bad liberalising laws passed to the best of my knowledge.


Uh, Priory? Sidhae's a Nazi. I think you can extrapolate the answer from there.


Oh. That explains a lot.

Ignore my last post, then.
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