What is to you the worst/most terrifying ideology?

[Faolinn]

Okay, now, that's just stupid. How does communism remove an incentive to work? If anything, common ownership of the means of production + from each according to their ability, to each according to their need = more of an incentive!

Plus, I didn't use TVT as a source, I pointed to it.

You run into the basic problem of free riders given the minimal personal gain for an individual who works hard.

I'm in favor of a provide and be provided for system.You stopped providing without any good reason?Well prepare to learn what starvation to the point of death feels like or at the very least having an extremely difficult existence when no one offers you their services.

[Zaras]

Okay, now, that's just stupid. How does communism remove an incentive to work? If anything, common ownership of the means of production + from each according to their ability, to each according to their need = more of an incentive!

Plus, I didn't use TVT as a source, I pointed to it.

You run into the basic problem of free riders given the minimal personal gain for an individual who works hard.

The free rider problem is not exclusive to communism! It happens everywhere. Has anyone ever found a permanent solution for it, or the tragedy of the commons? No.

Ergo, your reasoning makes no sense.

[Zaras]

You run into the basic problem of free riders given the minimal personal gain for an individual who works hard.

I'm in favor of a provide and be provided for system.You stopped providing without any good reason?Well prepare to learn what starvation to the point of death feels like or at the very least having an extremely difficult existence when no one offers you their services.

So, a Stalinist system of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution"?

That won't work.

[Faolinn]

I'm in favor of a provide and be provided for system.You stopped providing without any good reason?Well prepare to learn what starvation to the point of death feels like or at the very least having an extremely difficult existence when no one offers you their services.

So, a Stalinist system of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution"?

That won't work.

*punches you in the face*Don't you EVER dare call me a Stalinist.My ideology is far from his.If you're saying that you obviously did not understand.

[Zaras]

So, a Stalinist system of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution"?

That won't work.

*punches you in the face*Don't you EVER dare call me a Stalinist.My ideology is far from his.If you're saying that you obviously did not understand.

It's still something that bastard Lenin ran with, and Stalin actually put it in the 1936 USSR Constitution ("The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.")

Trotsky went along with it too, but in the context that it's impossible for communism to immediately replace the bourgeois capitalist society.

The important thing is, Marx says in the Critique of the Gotha Programme that this kind of "to each according to their contribution" is emblematic of the lower phase of communist society, when it's using socialism to move away from capitalism. Therefore, this kind of approach is unwelcome in a higher phase communist society.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You run into the basic problem of free riders given the minimal personal gain for an individual who works hard.

The free rider problem is not exclusive to communism! It happens everywhere. Has anyone ever found a permanent solution for it, or the tragedy of the commons? No.

Ergo, your reasoning makes no sense.

Yeah, It makes plenty of sense. If you reduce rewards, there is more temptation to free ride.

Seriously. Stop doing this. Just because you lack the capacity to grasp the arguments I'm making does not mean that they don't make sense.

[Veceria]

Nearly any form of Theocracy.

[Big Jim P]

Egalitarianism.

[Des-Bal]

Conservatives. A dangerous combination of crazy and excitable, if anybody is going to take away basic freedoms it's them.

[Azistan]

Nazism.

[Bone Fort]

Any ideology taken to the extreme, no matter what it might be, is terrifying.

[Zaras]

The free rider problem is not exclusive to communism! It happens everywhere. Has anyone ever found a permanent solution for it, or the tragedy of the commons? No.

Ergo, your reasoning makes no sense.

Yeah, It makes plenty of sense. If you reduce rewards, there is more temptation to free ride.

Seriously. Stop doing this. Just because you lack the capacity to grasp the arguments I'm making does not mean that they don't make sense.

Seriously. Stop doing this. We're already live in an environment where due to years of idiots in government doing their best to suppress labour unions and workers' rights, the working and middle classes' rewards for work have constantly stagnated while the rich have free ridden away the difference, because capitalism somehow considers it fair that an individual can work hard but their superiors can get more personal gain for hierarchical reasons.

I fail to see how communism would worsen the problem as it already exists in capitalism.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I fail to see how communism would worsen the problem as it already exists in capitalism.

And this is why you are terrifying.

[Calimera]

Juche. TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUU

[Zaras]

I fail to see how communism would worsen the problem as it already exists in capitalism.

And this is why you are terrifying.

So, you're scared by an ideology that wants to reduce the level of inequality and injustice present in the world.

[Camelza]

And this is why you are terrifying.

So, you're scared by an ideology that wants to reduce the level of inequality and injustice present in the world.

Communism doesn't exist in capitalism.the end.

[Faolinn]

*punches you in the face*Don't you EVER dare call me a Stalinist.My ideology is far from his.If you're saying that you obviously did not understand.

It's still something that bastard Lenin ran with, and Stalin actually put it in the 1936 USSR Constitution ("The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.")

Trotsky went along with it too, but in the context that it's impossible for communism to immediately replace the bourgeois capitalist society.

The important thing is, Marx says in the Critique of the Gotha Programme that this kind of "to each according to their contribution" is emblematic of the lower phase of communist society, when it's using socialism to move away from capitalism. Therefore, this kind of approach is unwelcome in a higher phase communist society.

You seem to be assuming I'm a communist.That I am not.I merely believe this society would be better off held together by a strong code of ethics and an economy based on mutual cooperation and providing for those who actually do something useful.People are only as good as their contributions in this world and the next.These corporate heads are parasites who give nothing back.Therefore, they deserve nothing.Now maybe if they were teachers, doctors, artisans, or cultivated some form of useful skill which they utilized regularly they might deserve some measure of the wealth they have obtained, but this is not the case. If you do your job you will be provided for and you'll have free access to services which will make your life much easier.If not, then you have chosen to be a parasite.I run my nation here on this principle.

I'm going to guess you collect Ayne Rand memorabilia.I'd buy her books if only to burn them if I was not so certain the mere fact that I had engaged in a capitalist exchange to obtain them would please her spirit greatly.

[Zaras]

You seem to be assuming I'm a communist.That I am not.I merely believe this society would be better off held together by a strong code of ethics and an economy based on mutual cooperation and providing for those who actually do something useful.People are only as good as their contributions in this world and the next.

So you're a mutualist?

These corporate heads are parasites who give nothing back.Therefore, they deserve nothing.Now maybe if they were teachers, doctors, artisans, or cultivated some form of useful skill which they utilized regularly they might deserve some measure of the wealth they have obtained, but this is not the case.

Exactly! Hell yeah! Preach on, brotha!

I'm going to guess you collect Ayne Rand memorabilia.

Uhm, yes, the guy who has repeatedly demonstrated in his posts that he is completely leftist and agrees with the ideals of communism would be caught in any way shape or form rewarding that stupid piece of shit author. Makes perfect sense!

[Priory Academy USSR]

And this is why you are terrifying.

So, you're scared by an ideology that wants to reduce the level of inequality and injustice present in the world.

The trouble is, is that generally communist (or whatever subdivision) nations have everyone being equally poor.

[Death Metal]

You seem to be assuming I'm a communist.That I am not.I merely believe this society would be better off held together by a strong code of ethics and an economy based on mutual cooperation and providing for those who actually do something useful.People are only as good as their contributions in this world and the next.These corporate heads are parasites who give nothing back.Therefore, they deserve nothing.Now maybe if they were teachers, doctors, artisans, or cultivated some form of useful skill which they utilized regularly they might deserve some measure of the wealth they have obtained, but this is not the case. If you do your job you will be provided for and you'll have free access to services which will make your life much easier.If not, then you have chosen to be a parasite.I run my nation here on this principle.

"I am not a Communist. I agree with Marx on just about everything, but don't you ever call me a Communist."

[Selsada]

Facism and Eugenism are two horrifying ideologies, that are always close of having a increasingly important place :/

[Felix Terra]

Authoritarian right-wing. And racism.

[Camelza]

You seem to be assuming I'm a communist.That I am not.I merely believe this society would be better off held together by a strong code of ethics and an economy based on mutual cooperation and providing for those who actually do something useful.People are only as good as their contributions in this world and the next.These corporate heads are parasites who give nothing back.Therefore, they deserve nothing.Now maybe if they were teachers, doctors, artisans, or cultivated some form of useful skill which they utilized regularly they might deserve some measure of the wealth they have obtained, but this is not the case. If you do your job you will be provided for and you'll have free access to services which will make your life much easier.If not, then you have chosen to be a parasite.I run my nation here on this principle.

"I am not a Communist. I agree with Marx on just about everything, but don't you ever call me a Communist."

because, "better dead than red" as lord Vader said.

[The Emerald Legion]

Neither will mine. It will simply destroy what came before.

Humanity is not self-sustaining and if your ideology is based around thinking it is than it's at best absurd.

You'll understand if people don't want to go to the days of a life expectancy of 30 and bloodletting as a medical practice.

Ah, the great chef Death Metal, cooking up a hearty bowl of anachronism stew.

Also, I'm not a primitivist, it's just better than extreme transhumanism because it's possible and sustainable.

Non Sequitur?

No... primitivism is not sustainable nor possible on any scale but the sort where it's easily overlooked as a group that fell in the cracks, There's a reason our society grew as it industrialized.

As for extreme transhumanism being impossible or unsustainable.... explanation please?

[Distruzio]

Egalitarianism.

I like this answer.