What is to you the worst/most terrifying ideology?

[Zaras]

Hobbes' "state of nature" thing was anthropologically disproven colonialist bullshit.

Note the "almost". I don't think it is meant to be taken terribly literally. Nevertheless, I think it serves as a useful shorthand for the anarchic chaos that would undoubtedly ensue and a useful reminder as to how even an unjust order is better than none at all.

Read TV Tropes moar. Anarchy Is Chaos is a stereotype.

[Wind in the Willows]

Deleted.

[Vallakova]

Absolute monarchy, republic (of any kind), Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Absolute theocracy (with the exception of the kingdom of christ our lord), Dictatorship, Corrupt capitalist, Compleate socialism, Totallitarianism.

I think a harmony can be struck with some of these governments ideologies but I cannot bare the thought of one of these being the compleate governing pattern.

(my constitution soon to be posted on my factbook apon its compleation is revelutionary and encompasses a wide range of governing styles but employes them in a way so to gain harmony and balance between them all)

[Trollgaard]

Communism.

True patriot there!

Also, awesome name!!!

[Zaras]

Absolute theocracy (with the exception of the kingdom of christ our lord)

Nice fuckin' hypocrisy you have there.

[Vallakova]

Absolute theocracy (with the exception of the kingdom of christ our lord)

Nice fuckin' hypocrisy you have there.

Not hypocracy man cant truely rule man but God as the creator of man can. I dont even agree in a government where a christian church is the leading authority, because enevitably it too even if created with the best intentions will become courrupt for example, Old testament Isreal, and the Vatican

[Priory Academy USSR]

Nice fuckin' hypocrisy you have there.

Not hypocracy man cant truely rule man but God as the creator of man can.

I wouldn't trust a guy who uses others to commit genocide. (see Joshua)

[Vallakova]

Not hypocracy man cant truely rule man but God as the creator of man can.

I wouldn't trust a guy who uses others to commit genocide. (see Joshua)

have you seen the violence the nations and peoples decended from the caananits issue in the world today? God gave them space to repent but they did not, they knew from abraham who he was and had 430 years while isreal was in egypt to repent but they did not. what God did was just. however the fact is we all technicly desurve death but in his mercy he lets us alive to choose. but anyways this is not the place for this conversation as we are breaking the topic, but feel free to telegram me.

[Dyakovo]

Pretty simple question.

Personally off the top of my head it has to be something akin to National Bolshevism.
Whilst the ideology itself does not appear to have any consitency whatsoever, it seems to generally be a blanket term for people who like the extreme xenophobia and racial policies of Hitler whilst promoting the economic and totalitarian ideals of Joseph Stalin.

What is to you the most terrifying ideology?

AnCap.

[Zaras]

I wouldn't trust a guy who uses others to commit genocide. (see Joshua)

what God did was just. however the fact is we all technicly desurve death but in his mercy he lets us alive to choose.

Your god sounds like a tyrant and I want nothing to do with that.

[Herskerstad]

Cult of personality despotism.

[The USOT]

Anti-transhumanism. It is an understatement to say that I don't trust people who would force me to remain in a state where I can be felled by diseases and eventually die because their poor widdle feelings can't handle the fact that humans really aren't good enough.

If you think it's "good enough" to live for an average of less than 100 puny years and die because some part failed on its fucking own with no violence or disaster required to cause that failure, and you do anything to interfere with any technology that could make it so that failure won't happen, that's tantamount to planned murder as far as I'm coming from. Needless to say I find that the absolute worst ideology because its very basis is the perpetuation of human misery and death.

Ha! You need to come to terms with life and accept it.

Humans are good enough.

Coming to terms with life =/= improving your conditions.
I doubt (or at least hope) you for instance reject medical technology such as vaccines which augment your immune system.

[The USOT]

I wouldn't trust a guy who uses others to commit genocide. (see Joshua)

have you seen the violence the nations and peoples decended from the caananits issue in the world today? God gave them space to repent but they did not, they knew from abraham who he was and had 430 years while isreal was in egypt to repent but they did not. what God did was just. however the fact is we all technicly desurve death but in his mercy he lets us alive to choose. but anyways this is not the place for this conversation as we are breaking the topic, but feel free to telegram me.

Why do we deserve death? I not only like living, but do not want to die, nor can I think of any behaviour or action on my part that makes me deserve death.
Also before somebody says deserve death =/= inevitable death.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Note the "almost". I don't think it is meant to be taken terribly literally. Nevertheless, I think it serves as a useful shorthand for the anarchic chaos that would undoubtedly ensue and a useful reminder as to how even an unjust order is better than none at all.

Read TV Tropes moar. Anarchy Is Chaos is a stereotype.

Oh my. TV Tropes as a source. I've seen it all now.

Do you honestly believe that in any sort of democratic system they aren't going to kick you out?

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to react violently to you trying to take their stuff?

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to notice when you gradually remove all incentive to work?

Political immaturity indeed. Gradualism or not, communism is a recipe for the collapse of economy, order and the conditions of human existence.

[Yorkopolis]

Read TV Tropes moar. Anarchy Is Chaos is a stereotype.

Oh my. TV Tropes as a source. I've seen it all now.

Do you honestly believe that in any sort of democratic system they aren't going to kick you out?

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to react violently to you trying to take their stuff?

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to notice when you gradually remove all incentive to work?

Political immaturity indeed. Gradualism or not, communism is a recipe for the collapse of economy, order and the conditions of human existence.

It's true that people are going to react violently when you try to steal their stuff, but in a collectivist (and more specifically a voluntary collectivist (re: Anarcho-Syndicalist, Anarcho-Communist)) society the reaction will be far less violent because the people are in service of the collective. And yes, they are also going to notice when you remove the incentives to work, which is why the collective should push the people to work with public services and such. And order can still be achieved as long as the collectives have a sort of voluntary "police" force.

I'm not an anarchist of any end or sort but as far as I'm aware your response is based purely on pointing out the problems and not giving solutions to solve these problems. Way to go 'round bud, pointing out all problems and not giving solutions to solve them.

[Zaras]

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to notice when you gradually remove all incentive to work?

Okay, now, that's just stupid. How does communism remove an incentive to work? If anything, common ownership of the means of production + from each according to their ability, to each according to their need = more of an incentive!

Plus, I didn't use TVT as a source, I pointed to it.

[Yorkopolis]

To me, the most terrifying ideology would definitely have to be either Anarcho-capitalism, oligarchical plutocratism, and anything related to theocracy.

[Distruzio]

Nice fuckin' hypocrisy you have there.

Not hypocracy man cant truely rule man but God as the creator of man can. I dont even agree in a government where a christian church is the leading authority, because enevitably it too even if created with the best intentions will become courrupt for example, Old testament Isreal, and the Vatican

The Vatican isn't a theocracy, it's a monarchy.

[Distruzio]

Pretty simple question.

Personally off the top of my head it has to be something akin to National Bolshevism.
Whilst the ideology itself does not appear to have any consitency whatsoever, it seems to generally be a blanket term for people who like the extreme xenophobia and racial policies of Hitler whilst promoting the economic and totalitarian ideals of Joseph Stalin.

What is to you the most terrifying ideology?

AnCap.

I am Distruzio!!! OOOooooOOOO! Be frightened of me! Here I stand, 5'4 and terrifying!

[Old Tyrannia]

Not hypocracy man cant truely rule man but God as the creator of man can. I dont even agree in a government where a christian church is the leading authority, because enevitably it too even if created with the best intentions will become courrupt for example, Old testament Isreal, and the Vatican

The Vatican isn't a theocracy, it's a monarchy.

Technically it's a theocratic absolute elective monarchy.

[Distruzio]

The Vatican isn't a theocracy, it's a monarchy.

Technically it's a theocratic absolute elective monarchy.

Correct. But yet a monarchy.

Technically, Iran is a theocratic democracy but, nonetheless, is a democracy.

[Wamitoria]

Technically it's a theocratic absolute elective monarchy.

Correct. But yet a monarchy.

Technically, Iran is a theocratic democracy but, nonetheless, is a democracy.

Nah, it's an oligarchy. Elected representatives have no real power.

[Meryuma]

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Being so stuck in the past you are blind to the future is a good thing now?

I'll take primitivism's past over your future any day. It's not ideal, but at least it won't destroy itself.

Neither will mine. It will simply destroy what came before.[/quote]

Humanity is not self-sustaining and if your ideology is based around thinking it is than it's at best absurd.

I'll take primitivism's past over your future any day. It's not ideal, but at least it won't destroy itself.

You'll understand if people don't want to go to the days of a life expectancy of 30 and bloodletting as a medical practice.

Ah, the great chef Death Metal, cooking up a hearty bowl of anachronism stew.

Also, I'm not a primitivist, it's just better than extreme transhumanism because it's possible and sustainable.

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to notice when you gradually remove all incentive to work?

People have worked before currency existed. I'm making an album and will allow people to download it for free.

[Arumdaum]

Theocratic, racist, sexist, right-wing, totalitarian absolute monarchy.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Do you honestly believe that people aren't going to notice when you gradually remove all incentive to work?

Okay, now, that's just stupid. How does communism remove an incentive to work? If anything, common ownership of the means of production + from each according to their ability, to each according to their need = more of an incentive!

Plus, I didn't use TVT as a source, I pointed to it.

You run into the basic problem of free riders given the minimal personal gain for an individual who works hard.