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Postby Kemaliste » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:41 pm

Capitalism
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:42 pm

Communism, socialism, and affirmative because of their injustices.
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Postby Capitolinium » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:42 pm

Maoism. If anyone here has ever really studied the brutally suppressive nature of the Cultural Revolution, they would be appalled. It's as close as any one nation has ever come toward resembling the total control seen in 1984. Pol Pot carried on the ghastly tradition in Cambodia.

Someone recently told me that there was a gay supremacy movement. I didn't believe it until I saw the website. Such an ideology ranks pretty highly in the categories of "vile", but, thankfully, it will likely remain on the fringe. Same for the New Black Panthers' mix of lunatic black supremacy and virulently provocative pseudo-Islam.
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Postby Zaras » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Communism, socialism, and affirmative because of their injustices.


Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Thesan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Satanic corporatistic conservative autoritharian turbocapitalism.... I think I've explained quite good my idea of HELL!
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Postby Wazkyraque » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:48 pm

Something like if Nazis, Clowns and the Khmer Rouge managed to settle their differences and mix their ideologies and they were lead by Skeletor
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:49 pm

Zaras wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:Communism, socialism, and affirmative because of their injustices.


Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)


Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it. I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society. Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.

As for affirmative action, it is rascist and unjust. It is rascist that it favors the minorities rather than the majority as a whole, this includes the majorities and the whites. Affirmative Action can be used to help people get ahead in society just because of their race, they should not be allowed to do this, but rather get ahead by skills and working for it.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Wazkyraque wrote:Something like if Nazis, Clowns and the Khmer Rouge managed to settle their differences and mix their ideologies and they were lead by Skeletor

Swap Skeletor with Gary Busey and you've perfected the horrorfest.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Wazkyraque wrote:Something like if Nazis, Clowns and the Khmer Rouge managed to settle their differences and mix their ideologies and they were lead by Skeletor


Like I said: Juche.

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Postby Andrew Six » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Nationalistic Totalitarian Theocracy. Race supremacism would make it worse.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:51 pm

I'll go with OP's National Stalinism, really, with the Khmer Rouge's random and extreme brutality added in, and a smattering of theocracy on top.
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Anything Anarchistic, I don't take kindly to the destruction of society and any and all possibility of Human Social, Political, or Technological advancement
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Postby Varijnland » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Anarchy, Communism, theorcracy, Naziism

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Postby Viet Trung » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Zaras wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:Communism, socialism, and affirmative because of their injustices.


Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)

:clap: Where do these people (e.g. Nordengrund) think that the ideas for communism, socialism etc (that is, consistently egalitarian ideologies) came from? They were not borne of a desire for more injustice.

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Postby Andrew Six » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)


Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it. I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society. Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.

As for affirmative action, it is rascist and unjust. It is rascist that it favors the minorities rather than the majority as a whole, this includes the majorities and the whites. Affirmative Action can be used to help people get ahead in society just because of their race, they should not be allowed to do this, but rather get ahead by skills and working for it.

Not really what Communism is. Usually, those who don't want to work aren't supported by the government in most Socialistic ideologies. In the more radical, they are killed off. In the majority, they are simply ignored. Actually, the unemployed are treated better in Capitalist America than they ever were in Soviet Russia, North Korea or China (Even though none of those are really communist ;) )
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Postby Oterro » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it. I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society.
everyone is as lucky as me, all people are born on even ground, there are no such things as background poverty, disabilities, areas of ill labour and downturns

the reason people are unemployed is because they do not want to work and enjoy being referred to as ''lazy good for nothing bums'' by little children on the internet and in real life

it is not because of the economy or any other variety of reasons.
Nordengrund wrote:Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.

anarchism guys it's

anarchism is

totally authoritarian
we, unlike the bourgeoisie, have nothing to lose and therefore our expression will be the only honest one, our words will be the only challenging ones and our art will be the one revolutionary expression. We need new noise and new voices and new canvases to become something more than the last poets of a useless generation.

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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:54 pm

The USOT wrote:What is to you the most terrifying ideology?

Theocracy of any sort.

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)


Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it. I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society. Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.

As for affirmative action, it is rascist and unjust. It is rascist that it favors the minorities rather than the majority as a whole, this includes the majorities and the whites. Affirmative Action can be used to help people get ahead in society just because of their race, they should not be allowed to do this, but rather get ahead by skills and working for it.


Affirmative action is more a policy of an ideology, rather than an ideology of it's own. Much like privatisation is a policy of right wing governments.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:57 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Everyone should be rich or poor


:palm:
Oh, dear.
I doubt we'll ever get rid of the rich/poor divide, but wanting it...well.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:57 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)


Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it.


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society. Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.


You appear to have confused Stalinism with communism.

As for affirmative action, it is rascist and unjust. It is rascist that it favors the minorities rather than the majority as a whole, this includes the majorities and the whites. Affirmative Action can be used to help people get ahead in society just because of their race, they should not be allowed to do this, but rather get ahead by skills and working for it.


I nearly agree with you on this, MLK talked about a colour-blind society for a reason. Positive discrimination is not good.
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Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Zaras » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:59 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Affirmative... what?

(you don't mind the injustices of capitalism then?)


Why should I work hard and have the lazy good for nothing bum next to me earn the same amount? He did not do the work. If commies and socialists believe in true equality, they would distribute wealth based on who earns it. I am the one who did all the work, so I deserve to be paid more for I am productive in society. Also, communism is authoritarian and there tends to be a rich group in charge of the government. Everyone should be rich or poor, but I do not see that in communist societies.

As for affirmative action, it is rascist and unjust. It is rascist that it favors the minorities rather than the majority as a whole, this includes the majorities and the whites. Affirmative Action can be used to help people get ahead in society just because of their race, they should not be allowed to do this, but rather get ahead by skills and working for it.


Your post has a lot of I, I, I, me, me, me, my, my, my, mine, mine, mine and should, should, should, but no explanations why this should be the case. Thank you for reinforcing my earlier statement that conservatism strikes me as too selfish.

And a lot of workinghardworkinghardworkinghardworkinghard broken recordery. Are you actually Gina Rinehart, Nord?

Lazy good for nothing bum? Have you ever been poor? Unemployed? Had life deal you a bad hand? Why the lack of empathy, Nord?

Communism is not authoritarian. You would know this if you read Marx instead of just taking Lenin's lies at face value and accepting that his idiotic, absolutely contrary state capitalist perversion that has nothing to do with Marx and Engel's writings is "communist". Anybody who calls communism "authoritarian" needs to be tied to a chair and have all of Marx's writings shoved into their brain until they've memorised every. last. word. of. them.

Also, calling affirmative action "racist" makes me either question your judgement or make me think you don't really understand the concept of kyriarchy or institutionalised racism.

Why do you like injustice, Nord? Why do you need an ideology that makes you feel superior to other people?
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Oterro » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:02 pm

Zaras wrote:Also, calling affirmative action "racist" makes me either question your judgement or make me think you don't really understand the concept of kyriarchy or institutionalised racism.

No, he's actually right in that regard. Affirmative action, ie, racial prejudice in a positive light towards ethnic minorities is not a long term solution, nor an appropriate one. All it does is breed resentment and highlight supposed differences between ''groups'' that shouldn't exist.
we, unlike the bourgeoisie, have nothing to lose and therefore our expression will be the only honest one, our words will be the only challenging ones and our art will be the one revolutionary expression. We need new noise and new voices and new canvases to become something more than the last poets of a useless generation.

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Postby Zaras » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:04 pm

Oterro wrote:
Zaras wrote:Also, calling affirmative action "racist" makes me either question your judgement or make me think you don't really understand the concept of kyriarchy or institutionalised racism.

No, he's actually right in that regard. Affirmative action, ie, racial prejudice in a positive light towards ethnic minorities is not a long term solution, nor an appropriate one. All it does is breed resentment and highlight supposed differences between ''groups'' that shouldn't exist.


It's not a long term solution, but it still represents an acknowledgement of the situation and consequences of racism instead of just sticking your hands in your ear and yelling "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU WE'RE A COLOURBLIND SOCIETY THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LINGERING PREJUDICE".

The fact that you need the government to tell you to start paying attention to non-white (or non-male, but that's a different matter) people is depressing...
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:06 pm

Altruism (in the "Actions that are right are those that bring good consequences to others" vein not the "Be nice" vein)
Or Nazism/other-governmental-system-that-asks-you-to-submit-yourself-to-the-greater-good-and-the-state-etc.

Those'd probably be the highest ranking of 'em.
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Postby Oterro » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:06 pm

Zaras wrote:
Oterro wrote:No, he's actually right in that regard. Affirmative action, ie, racial prejudice in a positive light towards ethnic minorities is not a long term solution, nor an appropriate one. All it does is breed resentment and highlight supposed differences between ''groups'' that shouldn't exist.


It's not a long term solution, but it still represents an acknowledgement of the situation and consequences of racism instead of just sticking your hands in your ear and yelling "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU WE'RE A COLOURBLIND SOCIETY THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LINGERING PREJUDICE".
So why not devote time to making sure shit heads don't get in positions where they can do shit head things rather than establishing a black people quota.
we, unlike the bourgeoisie, have nothing to lose and therefore our expression will be the only honest one, our words will be the only challenging ones and our art will be the one revolutionary expression. We need new noise and new voices and new canvases to become something more than the last poets of a useless generation.

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