What is to you the worst/most terrifying ideology?

[Blakk Metal]

They asked for examples of leftists, you gave state capitalists.

STATE capitalists. As for China, they do seem to be going to the right, HOWEVER that does not excuse their beginnings, they WERE COMMUNIST, and they did KILL Christians.

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

USSR, capitalist? You are desperately trying to erase all stains on leftists and blaming them on the right. If the USSR was so capitalist, then why do you types say it was us conservatives who thought they were evil? Liberals said it was the Red Scare with us.

	Soviet Union	United States
Means of production owned by the few (the capitalists)	Despite what the U'SS'R wanted you to think, yes.	Yes, but not to the extent of the Soviet Union.
Everyone else (the workers) are forced to work for them by threat of death.	Yes.	Mostly.
The workers have a choice of which job they want to do, provided the capitalists want them to do it.	Yes.	Yes.
The capitalists profit from the workers' work.	Yes.	Yes.
The workers don't, unless the capitalists feel especially generous.	Yes.	Yes.
The capitalists' hold on the means of production is enforced by the state.	Yes.	Yes.

[Democratic Koyro]

They asked for examples of leftists, you gave state capitalists.

STATE capitalists. As for China, they do seem to be going to the right, HOWEVER that does not excuse their beginnings, they WERE COMMUNIST, and they did KILL Christians.

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

USSR, capitalist? You are desperately trying to erase all stains on leftists and blaming them on the right. If the USSR was so capitalist, then why do you types say it was us conservatives who thought they were evil? Liberals said it was the Red Scare with us.

North Korea is a Far-Right country, not a Far-left one. on the traditional spectrum anyway. They're Socialists in name only, the country is little more than an ultra-nationalist hellhole.

[Threlizdun]

STATE capitalists. As for China, they do seem to be going to the right, HOWEVER that does not excuse their beginnings, they WERE COMMUNIST, and they did KILL Christians.

No, they were never communists. They certainly have committed atrocities against the religious, but they cannot be considered communists in any way whatsoever.

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

USSR, capitalist? You are desperately trying to erase all stains on leftists and blaming them on the right. If the USSR was so capitalist, then why do you types say it was us conservatives who thought they were evil? Liberals said it was the Red Scare with us.

Private ownership of the means of production, employers, capital, and deeming all who do not contribute to the "greater good" of the collective to be worthless. The Soviet Union represented the ultimate height of capitalism.

[Wolny Kraj]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

[The Caldari Union]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

Mkay pal, no system is that perfect.
Not a single one.

[Wolny Kraj]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

Yeah except capitalism is a system that unavoidably creates classes. Sure it works great if you're in the highest class, but if you're in the lower classes, forget about it, there's no prosperity for you there, you're just starving and homeless.

[Blakk Metal]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

[Oneracon]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

I couldn't even make it through that with a straight face

[Free South Califas]

Laissez Faire capitalism. I immediately see images of poor, starving people dying In the streets being tripped over by rich fat cats when I hear those words.

You don't know what it is then do you or what its actual effects would be.

propserity for all, no poor no starving.

Hoover. QED.

[Zaras]

STATE capitalists. As for China, they do seem to be going to the right, HOWEVER that does not excuse their beginnings, they WERE COMMUNIST, and they did KILL Christians.

They never were communist. Get a fucking clue.

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

Also not left-wing. Again, please, get a fucking clue. The ignorance in your post is tiresome.

If the USSR was so capitalist, then why do you types say it was us conservatives who thought they were evil?

You thought it was evil for the wrong reasons.

[Free South Califas]

Many socialists criticized the USSR throughout (even before, in the case of the prophetic journal Golos Truda ('The Voice of Labor')) its existence, as well. It is no new phenomenon for socialists to reject the USSR as a State Capitalist regime. Basically everything wrong with the USSR could easily be wrong with an openly capitalist nation or enterprise (though it would have to be a pretty fucking terrible one, of course). Parallels between the USSR and right-wing Nazi Germany can be easily drawn. That's what we have a political compass for: politics is not all economic theory; authoritarian vs libertarian tendencies are also important, as are the effects of economic action in either direction.

[New Sapienta]

Because, yelling "LOL YOURE WRONGS STUPIDFACE" makes you appear any more right.

Because I need to waste my time on the next batch of forum users who are consistently clueless about communism just like the previous batch of forum users and the batch before that, who refuse to actually abandon their arguments and respond to people pointing out that they don't have a clue what they're talking about by doubling down on the same tired bullshit arguments.

How about instead of calling people clueless and stupid, you make a thread about Communism, then link it whenver you wish to educate someone.

Or, you could continue to make yourself appear like a pompous jerk, get nothing achieved, and only make the people who agree with you alreeady respect you.

[Genivaria]

They asked for examples of leftists, you gave state capitalists.

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

I don't see many leftists supporting a Theocratic Monarchy.

[Divair]

North Korea is a left-wing paradise where litterally everything is government owned.

I don't see many leftists supporting a Theocratic Monarchy.

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

[Genivaria]

I don't see many leftists supporting a Theocratic Monarchy.

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

So we're not considering Dokuritsu Nippon a leftist?

[Divair]

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

So we're not considering Dokuritsu Nippon a leftist?

He's only one man.

[Genivaria]

So we're not considering Dokuritsu Nippon a leftist?

He's only one man.

So was Simo Hayha.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

So we're not considering Dokuritsu Nippon a leftist?

Actually, I want to abolish private businesses, and am a social libertarian. Just not structural or economic. ^__^

[Nidaria]

I don't see many leftists supporting a Theocratic Monarchy.

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

Socialists do.

[United Guildomes]

Anything not anarchist.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I don't see many leftists supporting complete government control of businesses and personal lives, either.

Socialists do.

See the post above yours.

Sincerely,

A Socialist.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Anything not anarchist.

So civilization?

[United Guildomes]

Anything not anarchist.

So civilization?

Anarchy is not disorder. It is a form of direct democracy where there is no state and people govern themselves and there is no political or state classes. Simply, it is absence of state.



Wishes for freedom,
An anarchist.

[Zohai]

Market fundamentalism. Nazism etc. ain't scary cause it's so uncommon. Market fundies could do some serious harm though, especially in times of a economic recession.