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Postby Arythe » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:22 am

Nationalism as a whole.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:22 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:All forms of Socialism and Communism.


This is going to get confusing, but why do you hate equality and freedom?
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Renegade Island » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:25 am

Maudlnya wrote:
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Fixed.


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Postby Goodclark » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:26 am

Darussalam wrote:Totalitarianism and Anarchism.
EDIT: Zionism. Jewish Fascism.

Of course you have an Arabic flag, is there something you want to tell us? :eyebrow:


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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:28 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:All forms of Socialism and Communism.


This is going to get confusing, but why do you hate equality and freedom?

Almost confused him for you because of the avatar.

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Postby Maudlnya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:30 am

Divair wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:
Look at previous post. Well it could be that they have no drive left if they are equal.

Why? If everyone is equal, why would you suddenly stop wanting things?

If everyone were equal, I'd still want a family. I'd still want new video games. I'd still want to listen to music.


Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society
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Postby Maudlnya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:30 am

Goodclark wrote:
Darussalam wrote:Totalitarianism and Anarchism.
EDIT: Zionism. Jewish Fascism.

Of course you have an Arabic flag, is there something you want to tell us? :eyebrow:


:p


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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:30 am

Maudlnya wrote:
Divair wrote:Why? If everyone is equal, why would you suddenly stop wanting things?

If everyone were equal, I'd still want a family. I'd still want new video games. I'd still want to listen to music.


Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society

Not very many people's happiness revolves solely around the accumulation of money.

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Postby Maudlnya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:32 am

Divair wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:
Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society

Not very many people's happiness revolves solely around the accumulation of money.


Exactlly, but we have greedy people in this world so....
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Postby Renegade Island » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:33 am

Divair wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:
Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society

Not very many people's happiness revolves solely around the accumulation of money.


Only the people that are running the show.... which is why things will never change. :blink:

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:34 am

Maudlnya wrote:
Divair wrote:Why? If everyone is equal, why would you suddenly stop wanting things?

If everyone were equal, I'd still want a family. I'd still want new video games. I'd still want to listen to music.


Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society

Maybe, but they've probably got better chances in an equal society.

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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:34 am

Maudlnya wrote:
Divair wrote:Not very many people's happiness revolves solely around the accumulation of money.


Exactlly, but we have greedy people in this world so....

Their happiness might plummet, the vast majority of the world's will not ;)

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Postby Maudlnya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:
Good point.Maybe they want wealth as well and cannot achieve that in a equal society

Maybe, but they've probably got better chances in an equal society.


How does that work? :blink:
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:38 am

Renegade Island wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Unlike in autocracy and oligarchy.


I suppose that democracy uses legislative power to exercise control, with the threat of force lurking behind the legislation ( e.g "War Powers Act.")

If left unchallenged, democracy becomes oligarchy, becomes autocracy.


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Postby CookieRaider » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:39 am

Probably authortian left or anarcho-communism. Yes, the form of communism defined by Marx and Engel.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:44 am

CookieRaider wrote:Probably authoritarian left or anarcho-communism. Yes, the form of communism defined by Marx and Engels.


Why do you hate freedom? (Referring to anarcho-communism, not the authoritarian "left".)
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Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:45 am

Maudlnya wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe, but they've probably got better chances in an equal society.


How does that work? :blink:

In an unequal society one may, through some accident of birth, be excluded from gainful employment, higher education, or political office. Which kinda gets in the way of getting rich.

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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:46 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CookieRaider wrote:Probably authoritarian left or anarcho-communism. Yes, the form of communism defined by Marx and Engels.


Why do you hate freedom? (Referring to anarcho-communism, not the authoritarian "left".)

He is a far-right conservative.

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Postby Maudlnya » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:
How does that work? :blink:

In an unequal society one may, through some accident of birth, be excluded from gainful employment, higher education, or political office. Which kinda gets in the way of getting rich.


Ah I see
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:46 am

Divair wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Why do you hate freedom? (Referring to anarcho-communism, not the authoritarian "left".)

He is a far-right conservative.


I'd still like him to explain why he hates freedom.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:48 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Divair wrote:He is a far-right conservative.


I'd still like him to explain why he hates freedom.

Fair enough, although you know it'll be just standard crap.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:51 am

Divair wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I'd still like him to explain why he hates freedom.

Fair enough, although you know it'll be just standard crap.


What can I say? I need to read something and laugh. Getting people to explain why they hate communism and socialism usually suffices.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Renegade Island » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:01 am

The most terrifying ideology is clearly the one that ties a single nations currency to a core world resource and then uses that as leverage to import resources from all around the world at a fraction of their real worth.

Not content with that incredibly massive robbery in and of itself, they also use the resources to amass the greatest arsenal in world history, outspending all other nations in the world combined.

Still not happy with that, they then use this military arsenal to systematically coerce, destabilize and remove any nations that try to undermine their endless resource aquisition agenda.

And if all that wasn't enough, this nation operates this way while its citizens (who realistically are the only ones that could ever stop this process) actually believe that they were entitled to all of this wealth, and gorge on it, throwing away more food than the rest of the world can eat while the rest of the world starves, throwing away billions of electronic devices a year while over a billion people don't even have electricity.

Ahhh, reality.

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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:02 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Divair wrote:Fair enough, although you know it'll be just standard crap.


What can I say? I need to read something and laugh. Getting people to explain why they hate communism and socialism usually suffices.


Have you ever lived (or met someone who lived) under a communist state?
Sure, Marxism looks good on paper, but are you, with the Pastafarian flag, going to say that something existed which did not?
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