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Postby Communist Peoples Republic » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:47 pm

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I guess Communism or Marxism.


Wrong.

It was Leninism and Stalinism. Nothing to do with Marx's actual ideas.

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Postby Ermarian » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:14 pm

I find a lot of ideologies problematic, wrong or immoral, but nothing terrifies me like good old-fashioned religious fundamentalism.
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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:20 pm

Every Villian is Lemonss wrote:Anything centered on a religion- INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.
I am a Christian, but I recognize freedom of faith (which Jesus himself emphasized), and a religion ruling a state is bad, because not only does it violate our rights, but we, as humans, can't implement them perfectly.
Otherwise, Communism and Fascism- although, they are both based on strongly atheistic principles, so I guess I covered that.

Atheism is not a religion. Communism and fascism are not based on atheism.


Try again.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:28 pm

Every Villian is Lemonss wrote:Anything centered on a religion- INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.
I am a Christian, but I recognize freedom of faith (which Jesus himself emphasized), and a religion ruling a state is bad, because not only does it violate our rights, but we, as humans, can't implement them perfectly.
Otherwise, Communism and Fascism- although, they are both based on strongly atheistic principles, so I guess I covered that.


Communism and Fascism are both secular, secularism =/= atheism.
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:45 pm

Every Villian is Lemonss wrote:Anything centered on a religion- INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.
I am a Christian, but I recognize freedom of faith (which Jesus himself emphasized), and a religion ruling a state is bad, because not only does it violate our rights, but we, as humans, can't implement them perfectly.
Otherwise, Communism and Fascism- although, they are both based on strongly atheistic principles, so I guess I covered that.


Atheism doesn't have principles and isn't a religion. Capital letters can't change that. It's the lack of belief in God, and nothing else. Also, many fascists and some communists are theists.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:53 pm

Every Villian is Lemonss wrote: INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.


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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:47 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Every Villian is Lemonss wrote: INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.


I tell this to people often: Don't talk shit about stuff you clearly don't understand in the slightest.


What? We aren't supposed to put up great statues of the Great Dawkinsy One around our houses and piss off neighbouring religious people every Friday?
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:59 pm

Every Villian is Lemonss wrote:Anything centered on a religion- INCLUDING, AND ESPECIALLY, ATHEISM, WHICH IS A RELIGION.


An absence of religion cannot be a religion. :palm:

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Postby Oneracon » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:00 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
I tell this to people often: Don't talk shit about stuff you clearly don't understand in the slightest.


What? We aren't supposed to put up great statues of the Great Dawkinsy One around our houses and piss off neighbouring religious people every Friday?


Great Dawkinsy One?

Heathen!

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:02 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
What? We aren't supposed to put up great statues of the Great Dawkinsy One around our houses and piss off neighbouring religious people every Friday?


Great Dawkinsy One?

Heathen!

Everyone knows Atheismo is the one true deity of atheism

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Postby Nicholistania » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:03 pm

Fascism or Communism. *Shudders*

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Postby Potlimitomaha » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:04 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:National Socialism. It combines the worst left-wing and right-wing ideas into a horrifying ethos of hatred and state-sanctioned violence against minorities.


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Postby Icesteam » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:06 pm

Stalinism, National Socialism; they're pretty much the same shit, just using different vocabulary in their propaganda.
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Postby Darvincia » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:25 pm

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Postby Deutches Reich » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:27 pm

Communism

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Nazism and eugenics

Postby Yukira » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:31 pm

I think the ideology behind nazism was so terrifying because in a way it was backed up by science. The whole eugenics craze meant some people actually believed people, the way anyone will do when shown a graph and a bunch of statistics.

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:31 pm

Jingoism.
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:59 pm

Oneracon wrote:An absence of religion cannot be a religion. :palm:

Thank you, try again later.


The atheist/theist distinction is separate from the religious/irreligious distinction.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:00 pm

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Postby Sociobiology » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:28 pm

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Postby Sociobiology » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:31 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
I tell this to people often: Don't talk shit about stuff you clearly don't understand in the slightest.


What? We aren't supposed to put up great statues of the Great Dawkinsy One around our houses and piss off neighbouring religious people every Friday?

only if you want to, and most athiest will see it as kinda weird and dickish, Isn't lack f dogma refreshing
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Postby Megaloria » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:54 pm

Pop music.
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:10 am

Yukira wrote:I think the ideology behind nazism was so terrifying because in a way it was backed up by science. The whole eugenics craze meant some people actually believed people, the way anyone will do when shown a graph and a bunch of statistics.

Sorry to nitpick, but I think you mean it was backed up by scientism, aka appeals to pseudoscience. The distinction is subtle, but significant. Science itself--actual science--was in no real demand under the Nazi Party, which valued loyalty, obedience and racial appearance above all else, even in scientific fields.
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Postby New Langsia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:52 am

Anything right-wing scares the crap out of me. Fascism and Objectivism are by far the worst.
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Postby Yorkopolis » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:13 am

Objectivism by far. Single worst ideology ever to come into existence and the people that adhere to it have no idea how disastrous it would be when people live in it. Neoconservatism is a terrifying ideology because of its imperialist supercapitalist outlook on stuff and because it is such a prominent force. Neoliberalism is bad because of mass-scale privatization and a social survival of the fittest-like economic system where everyone just fetches for themselves and those who can't just starve because nobody else cares about them.
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