Live by the gun, die by the gun!!

[Mando-ade]

Bullocks, I can hit the guy in the arm or leg and that will make him stop and think for a second.

Have you ever actulay done that? Have you ever actulay seem what a bullet pasing through a body does? Do you really belive what you just typed?

Yes I do, if the perp in question is close enough to harm me, IE in my house, I can hit any part of his body. And more often than not, a person who breaks into someones house and sees them with a gun pointed at them will usually stop whatever they are doing.

[Peepelonia]

Inthe Uk, if someone breaks into your house and you use your non-licenced gun to kill that person, you will properly be charged (and probably convicted) of manslaughter.

Then law in the UK is wrong.

It's very effective at keeping the population alive and fairly safe, from what I can tell.

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Someone with a bigger gun than you and with 7 of his mates brakes into your house, what are you gonna do?

No tell me how many times either of these scenerios has ever happend to you?

[Unchecked Expansion]

Inthe Uk, if someone breaks into your house and you use your non-licenced gun to kill that person, you will properly be charged (and probably convicted) of manslaughter.

Then law in the UK is wrong.

It's very effective at keeping the population alive and fairly safe, from what I can tell.

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Be glad I spent the night with my SO and took my laptop with me. Aren't hypotheticals fun?

[Gimmadonis]

Inthe Uk, if someone breaks into your house and you use your non-licenced gun to kill that person, you will properly be charged (and probably convicted) of manslaughter.

Then law in the UK is wrong.

It's very effective at keeping the population alive and fairly safe, from what I can tell.

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Someone with a bigger gun than you and with 7 of his mates brakes into your house, what are you gonna do?



No tell me how many times either of these scenerios has ever happend to you?

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

[Dunroaming]

The law in the UK is not wrong. I have been a lawyer for 35 years. I also live in Northern Ireland. I have represented mass murderers, and petty criminals. I see no justification whatsoever for the ordinary citizen to have immediate access to a revolver. A sporting gun, yes, but not a weapon with the sole intention of maiming and killing another human being. I have been to the US many times and I love your country but your fascination with the "right" of the citizen to carry a firearm leaves me cold.

[Peepelonia]

Bullocks, I can hit the guy in the arm or leg and that will make him stop and think for a second.

Have you ever actulay done that? Have you ever actulay seem what a bullet pasing through a body does? Do you really belive what you just typed?

Yes I do, if the perp in question is close enough to harm me, IE in my house, I can hit any part of his body. And more often than not, a person who breaks into someones house and sees them with a gun pointed at them will usually stop whatever they are doing.

So by the context of your words I'll assume that you only answerd my last question?

Which is a nice idication of just one of the problems. You really think that you can shoot somebody in the arm or the leg and it will not kill them? I mean you really belive that, you have just said you do, and they let you keep a gun?

So you keep a gun out of fear then?

[Gimmadonis]

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Same thing I would do if I had a gun:

Run away and call the neighbours. Then call the police.

Too late. By the time you get there, he's taken your things, burned down your house, and killed your family. Too bad, so sad.

[Cabra West]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

[Gimmadonis]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

[Unchecked Expansion]

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Same thing I would do if I had a gun:

Run away and call the neighbours. Then call the police.

Too late. By the time you get there, he's taken your things, burned down your house, and killed your family. Too bad, so sad.

Luckily my house is fireproof and my stuff is booby trapped. Also I have no family. Only robot ninjas.

[Peepelonia]

Inthe Uk, if someone breaks into your house and you use your non-licenced gun to kill that person, you will properly be charged (and probably convicted) of manslaughter.

Then law in the UK is wrong.

It's very effective at keeping the population alive and fairly safe, from what I can tell.

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Someone with a bigger gun than you and with 7 of his mates brakes into your house, what are you gonna do?



No tell me how many times either of these scenerios has ever happend to you?

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

Umm well you didn't answer the second question, nor take note of where I say bigger guns.

[Gimmadonis]

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Same thing I would do if I had a gun:

Run away and call the neighbours. Then call the police.

Too late. By the time you get there, he's taken your things, burned down your house, and killed your family. Too bad, so sad.

Luckily my house is fireproof and my stuff is booby trapped. Also I have no family. Only robot ninjas.

Oh. Well, robot ninjas can serve as excellent substitutes for guns in terms of home defence.

[Cabra West]

Double post

[Gimmadonis]

Inthe Uk, if someone breaks into your house and you use your non-licenced gun to kill that person, you will properly be charged (and probably convicted) of manslaughter.

Then law in the UK is wrong.

It's very effective at keeping the population alive and fairly safe, from what I can tell.

Someone with a gun breaks into your home and is looking for you.

Now, you don't have a gun.

Wtf are you gonna do?

Someone with a bigger gun than you and with 7 of his mates brakes into your house, what are you gonna do?



No tell me how many times either of these scenerios has ever happend to you?

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

Umm well you didn't answer the second question, nor take note of where I say bigger guns.

It doesn't matter who has the bigger gun, it matters who shoots first. If you shoot him first, he could have a rocket launcher and it wouldn't matter.

Also none, and I hope it never does. But if it does, I want to be prepared.

[Peepelonia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

And how can you be the judge of who does or does not deserve to live?

Can you not see the contradiction in your words here? You are propered to ruin the lives of the family of the men you kill by violence, because they no longer deserve to live becauase they ruin lives by violence.

Now taking for a fact that a gun is a tool of violence how can you possibly sqaure up your seeming hypocrasy?

[Gimmadonis]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

And how can you be the judge of who does or does not deserve to live?

Logic. Morals. They go a pretty long way here.


Law abbiding citizen > Blood-thirsty criminal

[Cabra West]

Too late. By the time you get there, he's taken your things, burned down your house, and killed your family. Too bad, so sad.

He would have to be bloody fast then, really.
My "family", as in my husband, would have come with me to the neighbours.
And he was carrying a canister of petrol as well as the gun, then?

Let him have my things, they're replaceable.

I've been burglared before, I caught someone trying to climb in a window one night. I yelled at him, he ran away.
It's the way most burglaries tend to end around here, from what I hear from friends and neighbours. Do you really think the situation would be improved by having guns lying around the house so the burglars could actually arm themselves???

[Zoharland]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

[Gimmadonis]

Too late. By the time you get there, he's taken your things, burned down your house, and killed your family. Too bad, so sad.

He would have to be bloody fast then, really.
My "family", as in my husband, would have come with me to the neighbours.
And he was carrying a canister of petrol as well as the gun, then?

Let him have my things, they're replaceable.

I've been burglared before, I caught someone trying to climb in a window one night. I yelled at him, he ran away.
It's the way most burglaries tend to end around here, from what I hear from friends and neighbours. Do you really think the situation would be improved by having guns lying around the house so the burglars could actually arm themselves???

The pint is to have a gun within reach. And I'm all for warning them first if they're un-armed.

[Cabra West]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

So they deserve punishment and a prison term. I don't see how them trying to take your property would allow you to take their lives.

[Cabra West]

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

It's a human thing called "empathy", you should try it sometime. It works.

[Peepelonia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

[Gimmadonis]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

So they deserve punishment and a prison term. I don't see how them trying to take your property would allow you to take their lives.

At first I would just point it at them, and tell them to GTFO. At that point, they can either flee or attack me. Once they attack me, it becomes me or them.

[Cabra West]

The pint is to have a gun within reach. And I'm all for warning them first if they're un-armed.

I'm not having pints with guns... and I will most certainly not tolerate a gun within reach.

[Peepelonia]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

So they deserve punishment and a prison term. I don't see how them trying to take your property would allow you to take their lives.

At first I would just point it at them, and tell them to GTFO. At that point, they can either flee or attack me. Once they attack me, it becomes me or them.

So you do keep a gun because you live in fear? How many times ha sthis happend to you then?