Live by the gun, die by the gun!!

[Cabra West]

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

I didn't want to ram it home to him quite that crudely. People learn best if they discover things for themselves

[Zoharland]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

It's a human thing called "empathy", you should try it sometime. It works.[/quote]

You would have empathy for someone who broke into your home and took things you worked hard to acquire, possibly attempt to murder you?

How far does this empathy go?

Would you have empathy for someone who raped you?

How about someone who set your loved one on fire?

You empathize with people who actively try to harm you? Thats strange.

If you act hostily towards me, I'll return it to you 10 fold.

I have empathy, its just that I reserve it for non-violent, law-abiding citizens. Not criminals.

[Gimmadonis]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

So they deserve punishment and a prison term. I don't see how them trying to take your property would allow you to take their lives.

At first I would just point it at them, and tell them to GTFO. At that point, they can either flee or attack me. Once they attack me, it becomes me or them.

So you do keep a gun because you live in fear? How many times ha sthis happend to you then?

Excuse me for beliving I have an inherit right to the things I earn. Excuse me for sticking up for myself and my family. And excuse me for getting scum off the streets. I guess I'm just a big fat coward for not running away.

[Cabra West]

You would have empathy for someone who broke into your home and took things you worked hard to acquire, possibly attempt to murder you?

How far does this empathy go?

Would you have empathy for someone who raped you?

How about someone who set your loved one on fire?

You empathize with people who actively try to harm you? Thats strange.

If you act hostily towards me, I'll return it to you 10 fold.

I have empathy, its just that I reserve it for non-violent, law-abiding citizens. Not criminals.

I guess that's why you seem to live in constant fear, then...

[Gimmadonis]

You would have empathy for someone who broke into your home and took things you worked hard to acquire, possibly attempt to murder you?

How far does this empathy go?

Would you have empathy for someone who raped you?

How about someone who set your loved one on fire?

You empathize with people who actively try to harm you? Thats strange.

If you act hostily towards me, I'll return it to you 10 fold.

I have empathy, its just that I reserve it for non-violent, law-abiding citizens. Not criminals.

I guess that's why you seem to live in constant fear, then...

I don't see how you believe it's fear. It's being prepared.

[Zoharland]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

Fear is not a factor in my lack of empathy for them. Their actions are.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for someone who murders, rapes, steals, etc.

I'm asking you why you do?

[Cabra West]

I don't see how you believe it's fear. It's being prepared.

For something that has never happened and probably will never happen to you or to anyone you know?

Do you tend to prepare yourself for a plane crashing on your house as well?

[Gimmadonis]

I don't see how you believe it's fear. It's being prepared.

For something that has never happened and probably will never happen to you or to anyone you know?

Do you tend to prepare yourself for a plane crashing on your house as well?

Most people can't afford an anti-air cannon, but most can afford methods of stopping horrible people from doing horrible things on foot.

[Cabra West]

Fear is not a factor in my lack of empathy for them. Their actions are.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for someone who murders, rapes, steals, etc.

I'm asking you why you do?

Why wouldn't I?
Yes, they have hurt people, I'm well aware of that. But does that warrant taking their LIVES? No.
If there's action to be taken it's before they become violent, everything else is not going to help anybody.

[Gimmadonis]

Fear is not a factor in my lack of empathy for them. Their actions are.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for someone who murders, rapes, steals, etc.

I'm asking you why you do?

Why wouldn't I?
Yes, they have hurt people, I'm well aware of that. But does that warrant taking their LIVES? No.
If there's action to be taken it's before they become violent, everything else is not going to help anybody.

It's better they die than more innocent people get hurt.

[Skeptikosia]

This brings to mind a story I read about Northern Ireland. I don't live there but the story was about how pretty much everything has been made illegal, even BB guns and painball guns. The story was about the next layer of laws being proposed to make "glass" glasses illegal in public places because in the absense of other weapons, it was normal for the people of NI to break these glasses and attack each other.

Ah bullshit. Fun ain't it

Not bullshit.

http://www.loweringthebar.net/2009/09/british-government-considers-mandating-plastic-pints.html

British Government Considers Mandating Plastic Pint Glasses

Trying to control stabbings by banning knives that have a point on the end was bad enough. But this is really going too far.

The BBC reported recently that the British Home Office is seeking a new design for pint glasses that it hopes may reduce the number of incidents in which people attack each other with pint glasses. According to official statistics, 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. (Probably more in Scotland, though maybe they just use swords.) This public safety emergency has spurred the government into action, seeking a design that can't be used as a weapon.

[Peepelonia]

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

It's not nessisarily just my property. These people no longer deserve life, because they would make other people's lives miserable for their own selfish gain through direct life-ruining violence.

It's me or them, and I'm choosing me.

So they deserve punishment and a prison term. I don't see how them trying to take your property would allow you to take their lives.

At first I would just point it at them, and tell them to GTFO. At that point, they can either flee or attack me. Once they attack me, it becomes me or them.

So you do keep a gun because you live in fear? How many times ha sthis happend to you then?

Excuse me for beliving I have an inherit right to the things I earn. Excuse me for sticking up for myself and my family. And excuse me for getting scum off the streets. I guess I'm just a big fat coward for not running away.

Well look at that! And what does that have to do with what I have asked you? Guns in the hands of emotional people, what craazy laws will they pass next?

Come on man we are just debating here, if you can't even do that with a modicome of sense(without getting enmotional), is it any wonder why I do not advocate gun ownership for the avargae Joe.

People get het up far to easy, and if you then add a deadly weapon to that mix, well fuck me that is frighteng.

When I was a youth I had a fling with the married woman next dooor, when the husband found out he beat me up, and why not I bloody deserved it I was fucking his wife after all.

Now imagine what could have happend if gun ownership was legeal here. I mean he found me in his, house, in his bed with his wife, it is not beyond the realms of impossiblity that if he had a gun he could have killed me.

Now what I done was wrong yeah sure it was, but not so wrong that I deserve to be shoot over it huh?

[Peepelonia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

Fear is not a factor in my lack of empathy for them. Their actions are.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for someone who murders, rapes, steals, etc.

I'm asking you why you do?

Every time you utter that sound 'what if....' it stems from fear. You own a gun to be propered, yet you have said that all of these things you fear have never happend to you, so why keep the gun? Because these things may happen to you? Isn't that paronia?

[Brostkorgen]

You would have empathy for someone who broke into your home and took things you worked hard to acquire, possibly attempt to murder you?

How far does this empathy go?

Would you have empathy for someone who raped you?

How about someone who set your loved one on fire?

You empathize with people who actively try to harm you? Thats strange.

If you act hostily towards me, I'll return it to you 10 fold.

I have empathy, its just that I reserve it for non-violent, law-abiding citizens. Not criminals.

I guess that's why you seem to live in constant fear, then...

[Gimmadonis]

You would have empathy for someone who broke into your home and took things you worked hard to acquire, possibly attempt to murder you?

How far does this empathy go?

Would you have empathy for someone who raped you?

How about someone who set your loved one on fire?

You empathize with people who actively try to harm you? Thats strange.

If you act hostily towards me, I'll return it to you 10 fold.

I have empathy, its just that I reserve it for non-violent, law-abiding citizens. Not criminals.

I guess that's why you seem to live in constant fear, then...

Excceeellllleeeeennttttt *air guitar*

[Brostkorgen]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

Fear is not a factor in my lack of empathy for them. Their actions are.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for someone who murders, rapes, steals, etc.

I'm asking you why you do?

Every time you utter that sound 'what if....' it stems from fear. You own a gun to be propered, yet you have said that all of these things you fear have never happend to you, so why keep the gun? Because these things may happen to you? Isn't that paronia?

[Skeptikosia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

I place more value on what I've earned than the life of someone trying to take it away from me.

And I'm pro-choice.

[Peepelonia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

I place more value on what I've earned than the life of someone trying to take it away from me.

And I'm pro-choice.

Ummm why? Can you not just go out and replace the stuff that you have lost?

[Gift-of-god]

...

Guns are utterly useless and pointless in preventing and/or overthrowing governments.

You seem to be ignoring the effectiveness of the insurgency in Iraq and the continuing war against Taliban forces in Afghanistan. They are both examples of citizens with ordinary guns figting, more or less effectively, against a force with superior military technology.

However, they are fighting a democracy. In the much loved hypothetical situation of military dictatorship, the military would likely use overwhelming indiscriminate force - dictatorships have no issues about arbitrary internment and execution.
Much like in vietnam, sentiment is against the Iraq War, and the US cannot use the tactics it used in Vietnam without massive public outcry from the public back home. A dictatorship has a free hand there though, espeically if it comes with controlled media

There is evidence that nonviolent action can be more effective than armed insurgencies, but that does not mean that armed conflict is utterly useless or pointless.

Both Martin Luther King and Gandhi were able to do so much with nonviolent means because they were up against a democracy as well. A dictatorship would have had a free hand to crush either of them. Thus the criticism of limited scope is applicable to both strategies.

The question of which one to use (armed or nonviolent) depends on many factors. Fortunately, globalisation is making it harder for autocratic regimes to operate out of the international eye, so nonviolent intervention is becoming more effective.

However, I do not believe that this means that armed revolution is obsolete.

A recent academic study of 323 major insurrections in support of self-determination and freedom from autocratic rule over the past century revealed that major nonviolent campaigns were successful 53 percent of the time, whereas primarily violent resistance campaigns were successful only 26 percent of the time. (Maria J. Stephan and Eric Chenoweth. “Why Civil Resistance Works: The Logic of Nonviolent Conflict.” International Security, vol. 33, no. 1, Summer 2008.)

This quote is from an essay promoting nonviolent resistance.

[Skeptikosia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Because they'd rather bend over and take it in the ass while taxing the shit out of the people who actually earn their keep?

[Gimmadonis]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

I place more value on what I've earned than the life of someone trying to take it away from me.

And I'm pro-choice.

Ummm why? Can you not just go out and replace the stuff that you have lost?

That kind of thing sorta takes money, which alot of people don't have alot of.

And why not? Society is going to replace the jack-off for alot cheaper.

[Peepelonia]

You've got to love how Europeans value the lives of people who are robbing them over their own.

If you got 7 guys armed to the teeth breaking into your home, you don't know what their intentions are. They could be there to kill you. And if thats the case, why the hell should you give a damn about them?

Why do liberals and europeans sympathize with the lawless and criminal?

Ohh Ohh I know the answer to this one.

Is it because we are not full of the fear of armed men braking into our houses in the dead of night, because we have laws that prohibit gun ownership?

Ahaaha Cabs, but sometimes they never do.
I didn't want to ram it home to him quite that crudely. People learn best if they discover things for themselves

[Skeptikosia]

I don't see how you believe it's fear. It's being prepared.

For something that has never happened and probably will never happen to you or to anyone you know?

Do you tend to prepare yourself for a plane crashing on your house as well?

I keep a gun right next to my fire extinguisher, right next to the rest of tools appropriate situations.

[Skeptikosia]

Most semi-automatics can hold at least 8 bullets.

Once I kill 2 or 3, the rest will probably flee.

You've got to love how the US values property over life... unless it's unborn life, it would appear.

I place more value on what I've earned than the life of someone trying to take it away from me.

And I'm pro-choice.

Ummm why? Can you not just go out and replace the stuff that you have lost?

I'm not going to work twice for something someone doesn't want to work for once.

Do any of you people even a basic understanding of ethics?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Were does it show that her owning a gun caused her husband to shoot and kill her and then kill himself?

I think the point is that gn ownership made it possible to do so.

By that logic we should ban cars, knives, anything that could possibly be used to murder someone else.

And let me tell you, thats a lot of things.

However a gun is designed to kill primarily. It is a weapon. A kitchen knife is a tool, a car is a mode of transport, a shoelace is a piece of clothing. To have a gun, especially a handgun, is to be prepared to kill

A gun is a weapon for self-defence.

And for punching little holes in paper from a distance, and for hunting, and for collecting.