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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:09 pm

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The rhizocephala are a superorder within the subclass Thecostraca, the group of crustaceans that includes all the barnacles, but their form is highly modified from the familiar acorn and gooseneck barnacles. The only visual indication we have that these creatures are related to the other barnacles is their nauplius and cyprid larvae. In the normal barnacles, these larvae find a rock, stick themselves to it, grow a shell, and spend the rest of their days filter feeding.

Rhizocephalan larvae do not settle on rocks. Instead, the females settle on other crustaceans–usually crabs, and usually on the gills, where the crab’s exoskeleton is thinnest. This is important, because soon after settling, the larva injects its soft innards into the crab. This may take place through one of the larva’s antennae, wielded like a hypodermic needle, or the larva may molt and stick itself on the crab while it develops a special stylet inside its body. When the time is right, it everts this poker into the crab and injects its guts as a worm-like body called a vermigon.

This is where it starts to get really awful. The injected mass of visceral cells, now called the “interna,” starts to grow inside the host’s fluid-filled cavities, branching out root-like through the entire body, but concentrating on the digestive tract. Somehow, the parasite keeps the host’s immune system from attacking this network of invasive threads while it grows, drawing nourishment continuously from the host’s precious bodily fluids.

When mature, the female interna extrudes an appendage out of the host’s body. This is called the externa, and it is little more than a gently-pulsing sac of gonads, attached to the host’s body by a short stalk, emitting a trail of pheremones to attract male larvae. When these larvae arrive, they land on the externa, and inject their soft insides into it. They then migrate into special seminal receptacles and fuse with the female, becoming nothing more than soft clumps of sperm-producing tissue, themselves parasitic on the already-parasitic female. Eggs are fertilized and released, and the cycle begins again.

But wait–it gets even sicker. In many cases, the externa is extruded under the crab’s tail flap, where it would carry its own eggs. Some species of rhizocephalans actually chemically castrate the crab, and then modify its behavior–that is, perform mind control–compelling it to take care of the parasite’s gonads as if they were the crab’s own children. This works even in males, who don’t ever carry eggs, and never exhibit any of these behaviors on their own. In these cases, the crab stops growing, and never molts again. It spends the rest of its days as a kind of zombie, eating food that will be sucked out of its digestive tract by the parasite that destroyed and replaced its reproductive system.

Now aren’t you glad you know all that?


Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

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Postby Vareiln » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:23 pm

Welcome to the wonderful world of parasites.

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Postby Miss Defied » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:26 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:-snip-
Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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Postby Meryuma » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:27 pm

Did not need to read that while eating.

Miss Defied wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:-snip-
Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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It kinda makes the case against a benevolent God if anything.
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Postby Vareiln » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Miss Defied wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:-snip-
Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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What's even worse is that Cordyceps fungi. And then there's hookworms and tapeworms... And botflies...

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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Damn nature you scary.
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

You're right. The only explanation is that god is an asshole.
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Postby Vareiln » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:30 pm

Blazedtown wrote:Damn nature you scary.

Completely relevant.

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:31 pm

Miss Defied wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:-snip-
Why do things like this even exist? Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?

Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...

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Postby Zanzibarnia » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:35 pm

Meryuma wrote:Did not need to read that while eating.

Miss Defied wrote:Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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It kinda makes the case against a benevolent God if anything.


Small wonder why we never see these badasses featured on the "Was It Designed?" sections of those ridiculous Watchtower tracts.

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:38 pm

My church teaches Evolution in its schools. I have no qualm with it on a religious basis, (we do not, however, believe it was how humans originated, dunno about everything else.)
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The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Miss Defied wrote:Let me guess, you are going to turn this into a case for creationism, right?
You should just come right out with it and say so in your OP.
There's lots of crazy stuff in the world. The very existence of viruses and what they do is practically unfathomable when you think about it.
None of this makes a case for the existence of god.

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I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...

Why what went through such trouble? That parasite has a pretty sweet deal going, I don't understand the mystery.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:40 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...

Why what went through such trouble? That parasite has a pretty sweet deal going, I don't understand the mystery.



It does indeed, but one would think there's an easier way...

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Postby Miss Defied » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:41 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...


Well in that case, by "it" do you mean rhizocephala? It went to that much trouble because it figured out how to maximize it's own ability to survive and thrive by doing the least amount of work possible. So it evolved to create this complex method of living off of another creature much to the detriment of said creature. We have something similar in the human species as well. They're called "derivatives traders."
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:42 pm

They're called "derivatives traders."


Hey now, on topic.

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:43 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:Why what went through such trouble? That parasite has a pretty sweet deal going, I don't understand the mystery.



It does indeed, but one would think there's an easier way...

To do what?

I'm not being factitious here, I really don't understand where the confusion lies.

I mean that parasite has entirely taken advantage of the crab's biology to the point of feeding it, and helping it to reproduce.
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Postby Miss Defied » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:43 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...

Why what went through such trouble? That parasite has a pretty sweet deal going, I don't understand the mystery.

Well you have to admit, it's a pretty intricate system that thing has going on. Much more than just sucking on some blood like a gluttonous tick.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:43 pm

Be a very simple, rapidly producing parasite, like the other worms? I dunno. The confusion is mostly due to the fact I don't want it to be true :p

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:45 pm

Miss Defied wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:I'm actually not going to. I'm just wondering why it went to such trouble...


Well in that case, by "it" do you mean rhizocephala? It went to that much trouble because it figured out how to maximize it's own ability to survive and thrive by doing the least amount of work possible. So it evolved to create this complex method of living off of another creature much to the detriment of said creature. We have something similar in the human species as well. They're called "derivatives traders."

The great thing is, that now that the parasite is so dependent upon said crab, it will probably start evolving to find ways to help the thing survive longer and be more resistant to predators. Eventually, the two may become symbiotic.
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Postby Revolutopia » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:45 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?


No, arguments of irreducible complexity are bogus.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:46 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:Don't you think it'd be too evolutionarily complicated?


No, arguments of irreducible complexity are bogus.


Relax, simmer down, I'm not one of those people. See the rest of the thread.

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Postby Avenio » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:48 pm

To quote ecologist Thomas Ray, "Successful systems attract parasites".

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Postby Miss Defied » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:48 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Miss Defied wrote:
Well in that case, by "it" do you mean rhizocephala? It went to that much trouble because it figured out how to maximize it's own ability to survive and thrive by doing the least amount of work possible. So it evolved to create this complex method of living off of another creature much to the detriment of said creature. We have something similar in the human species as well. They're called "derivatives traders."

The great thing is, that now that the parasite is so dependent upon said crab, it will probably start evolving to find ways to help the thing survive longer and be more resistant to predators. Eventually, the two may become symbiotic.

Yeah, well I hope those things stay out of my Maryland blue crabs, because I don't want to be eating that crap!
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:50 pm

Miss Defied wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:The great thing is, that now that the parasite is so dependent upon said crab, it will probably start evolving to find ways to help the thing survive longer and be more resistant to predators. Eventually, the two may become symbiotic.

Yeah, well I hope those things stay out of my Maryland blue crabs, because I don't want to be eating that crap!

I'd have to try it before making any judgments. For all you know it tastes like orange-flavored orgasms.
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