Shooting near Empire State Building, New York

[Pribram]

OK, if there are sooo many restirctions, why is U.S. in fact ccntre of these shootings??

just because there is a restriction in place, doesn't mean it's airtight and people can't bypass it.

I know that no restriction is perfect but why are they so many of these things in U.S. and not elsewhere in the world like in Vietnam, China, Poland or Italy?Its the 2nd amendment but even without that these people will be there but number of such things will drop a lot.

[Enadail]

just because there is a restriction in place, doesn't mean it's airtight and people can't bypass it.

I know that no restriction is perfect but why are they so many of these things in U.S. and not elsewhere in the world like in Vietnam, China, Poland or Italy?Its the 2nd amendment but even without that these people will be there but number of such things will drop a lot.

Its not the second amendment, its the historical culture. At the time the gun was refined to be usable by more then just the rich, no other nation had as big a need for it (and I don't mean for just person-on-person violence, that includes stuff like hunting, protection, etc). Most of the cultures you mentioned had been at least somewhat established.

The issue with gun violence in the US is the availability and the cultural paradigm that seems to make guns ok.


If I get a chance, I'll had over to 5th (I'm 4 blocks from the focal point) and take a picture... its ridiculous out here.

[Miss Defied]

The reason it is such big news it was near the Empire State Building so naturally everyone (in the media biz) wants it to be terrorism. It isn't. Just a slow news day. They can either talk about this or the hurricane that will not hit the GOP convention in Tampa next week.

yes because a dozen people being shot at and two people dying isn't a worthy news topic.

How much do you care to wager that if this had happened say, overnight, in East St. Louis, IL that no one here would even know about it? And FNC would not be covering nothing but the story for the last 90 minutes?

With all due respecrt to the victims, no it isn't really that newsworthy.

[Gauntleted Fist]

yes because a dozen people being shot at and two people dying isn't a worthy news topic.

How much do you care to wager that if this had happened say, overnight, in East St. Louis, IL that no one here would even know about it? And FNC would not be covering nothing but the story for the last 90 minutes?

With all due respecrt to the victims, no it isn't really that newsworthy.

So, tell me, how many people need to be shot to death before something becomes newsworthy? How many murders per year before the news picks up on the staggering amount of them?

[Greed and Death]

It sad routine in U.S. now and nobody did anything to prevent such things.

I'm sure there are lots of crime prevention measures in place in New York City. That they're not perfect doesn't mean they don't exist.

Pretty much the strictest gun laws in the country.

[Greed and Death]

I'm sure there are lots of crime prevention measures in place in New York City. That they're not perfect doesn't mean they don't exist.

OK, if there are sooo many restirctions, why is U.S. in fact ccntre of these shootings??

Because it is not about the restrictions it is about the wealth divide. This is why Russia has strict gun laws and yet a high violence rate.

[Ifreann]

How much do you care to wager that if this had happened say, overnight, in East St. Louis, IL that no one here would even know about it? And FNC would not be covering nothing but the story for the last 90 minutes?

With all due respecrt to the victims, no it isn't really that newsworthy.

So, tell me, how many people need to be shot to death before something becomes newsworthy? How many murders per year before the news picks up on the staggering amount of them?

But this isn't a story on the amount of murders this year. It's a story on one shooting.

[Greed and Death]

So, tell me, how many people need to be shot to death before something becomes newsworthy? How many murders per year before the news picks up on the staggering amount of them?

But this isn't a story on the amount of murders this year. It's a story on one shooting.

The death of one or 2 is a tragedy, the death of 1,000 is a statistic.

[Miss Defied]

How much do you care to wager that if this had happened say, overnight, in East St. Louis, IL that no one here would even know about it? And FNC would not be covering nothing but the story for the last 90 minutes?

With all due respecrt to the victims, no it isn't really that newsworthy.

So, tell me, how many people need to be shot to death before something becomes newsworthy? How many murders per year before the news picks up on the staggering amount of them?

I do believe you are quite missing the point.
Did you hear about this?
What makes today's incident more "newsworthy" for a nationwide worldwide audience as opposed to the one above?

[Gigaverse]

What Sammy and Khadgar said. *nod nod*

[Ifreann]

But this isn't a story on the amount of murders this year. It's a story on one shooting.

The death of one or 2 is a tragedy, the death of 1,000 is a statistic.

Yes, Comrade Stalin, and statistics are often the basis for news stories.

[Tmutarakhan]

There are ~12,000 gun murders in the United States per year out of ~30,000 gun related deaths. 500 of those murders were in New York City.

I'm not sure why THIS one will increase debate about gun control.

Because it is another case of a shooter attacking random strangers (most murders are personal relationships, or robberies gone bad), and it is one of a string of such cases recently (most nations have at most one of these, before they tighten their laws and never have another such case).

[Greed and Death]

There are ~12,000 gun murders in the United States per year out of ~30,000 gun related deaths. 500 of those murders were in New York City.

I'm not sure why THIS one will increase debate about gun control.

Because it is another case of a shooter attacking random strangers (most murders are personal relationships, or robberies gone bad), and it is one of a string of such cases recently (most nations have at most one of these, before they tighten their laws and never have another such case).

Most countries as in Western Europe ?
They also have a lot smaller population, and new york already has strict gun laws.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I do believe you are quite missing the point.
Did you hear about this?
What makes today's incident more "newsworthy" for a nationwide worldwide audience as opposed to the one above?

No, I'm quite sure I got what you were saying, I just don't particularly care what causes news stations to report things. People being shot to death should always be newsworthy. It should be rubbed in our faces so much that we're sick of it. So much that some might even be motivated to do something about it that otherwise would not. I don't care if it's two people, or nineteen people, Americans need to realize that gun usage in murders in the United States are out of control. And something needs to be done about it.

[Ifreann]

There are ~12,000 gun murders in the United States per year out of ~30,000 gun related deaths. 500 of those murders were in New York City.

I'm not sure why THIS one will increase debate about gun control.

Because it is another case of a shooter attacking random strangers (most murders are personal relationships, or robberies gone bad), and it is one of a string of such cases recently (most nations have at most one of these, before they tighten their laws and never have another such case).

Remains to be seen whether the shooter knew the victims/targets, no?

[West Vandengaarde]

Because it is another case of a shooter attacking random strangers (most murders are personal relationships, or robberies gone bad), and it is one of a string of such cases recently (most nations have at most one of these, before they tighten their laws and never have another such case).

Remains to be seen whether the shooter knew the victims/targets, no?

Considering it was said he fired wildly through the area...

[Greed and Death]

Remains to be seen whether the shooter knew the victims/targets, no?

Considering it was said he fired wildly through the area...

witnesses after shootings are not the most reliable.

[West Vandengaarde]

Considering it was said he fired wildly through the area...

witnesses after shootings are not the most reliable.

It seems unlikely that he followed people he knew throughout the city, then stopped at the Empire State Building to kill them.

[Ifreann]

Remains to be seen whether the shooter knew the victims/targets, no?

Considering it was said he fired wildly through the area...

So? That doesn't mean he wasn't trying to kill some specific person or people.

[Greed and Death]

witnesses after shootings are not the most reliable.

It seems unlikely that he followed people he knew throughout the city, then stopped at the Empire State Building to kill them.

Or saw someone he knew and wanted to kill and was shooting at him while he zig zagged through the crowd.

[Murray land]

There are ~12,000 gun murders in the United States per year out of ~30,000 gun related deaths. 500 of those murders were in New York City.

I'm not sure why THIS one will increase debate about gun control.

Oh how wrong you are. Any time a gun crime makes the national headlines the dems and republicans are up in arms, over the second amendment what it really meant. Also to a certain degree the debate was dying down a little even though we have had two shootings in two months. No this latest shooting will rev up the left more and keep the gun debate alive at least until mid to late september. As for me they can take my guns from my cold dead hands.

[NFA Rulz]

Unpossible!

King Bloomberg of New York City prohibits his Subjects from owning firearms. Only the police and the very well connected are permitted to own firearms.

[Miss Defied]

I do believe you are quite missing the point.
Did you hear about this?
What makes today's incident more "newsworthy" for a nationwide worldwide audience as opposed to the one above?

No, I'm quite sure I got what you were saying, I just don't particularly care what causes news stations to report things. People being shot to death should always be newsworthy. It should be rubbed in our faces so much that we're sick of it. So much that some might even be motivated to do something about it that otherwise would not. I don't care if it's two people, or nineteen people, Americans need to realize that gun usage in murders in the United States are out of control. And something needs to be done about it.

Oh, i see this is another gun control debate thread. Well, I'm sure this will be the one to bring concurrence on the issue. Have fun, it's not my cause either way.

[West Vandengaarde]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19373945 Live press conference from police
They said the man was fired from his job. He may have just been upset about that and snapped.
Saying it began with him shooting a coworker, and then he left to another area, where someone reported him to police. As police approached him he pulled out a gun and began shooting.
All victims in the hospital expected to live; "suspect" worked for 6 years before being laid off

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

It sad routine in U.S. now and nobody did anything to prevent such things.

I'm sure there are lots of crime prevention measures in place in New York City. That they're not perfect doesn't mean they don't exist.

New York City basically has their own crime and gun control laws separate to and superseding those of New York State. They are, obviously, much stricter.