Should America continue support of Israel?

[Hippostania]

Arabs are not the problem. The people themselves are not the problem, their ideology is. And when that ideology is centered around hate for Israel and the jews, that's where the problems begin.

Don't turn this into religion please. Israel's government is totally out of control. They are anything but a bastion of freedom spreading light. I'd rather live in some God awful country in the middle of no where like Turkmenistan.

I did not necessarily talk about religion. I meant the combination of political ideologies, traditions and religions that are widespread in the Middle East. And Israel's government is out of control because they're trying to protect their own borders from nations which have attempted to invade them several times in the past? You can't be serious. Israel is the only democratic nation in the Middle East, yet you'd rather live in a country where there is no freedom of the press whatsoever, the economic situation is dire and dissenters are regularly jailed?

[Subramani]

You willing to call their Samson bluff?

Israel's like Pakistan. They're both highly successful con artists when it comes to securing your aid and have all but guaranteed that the status quo will be even worse if you discontinue that aid (in Pakistan the danger would be a total collapse of the civilian government to comepletely be replaced by the military).

Although the Israeli predicament is in one way more desirable than the Pakistani one - the Chinese aren't raring to jump to fill the void left by American money disappearing.

China is already providing military support to Pakistan anyways.

[Murray land]

Tell that to the Palestinians trying to get work in Israel.

An independent Palestinian state would worsen the working conditions of Palestinians even further. Watch this video, it explains why dividing Jerusalem would be bad for Palestinians, and the same concept would apply to dividing Israel. Dividing Israel would only make it more difficult for Palestinians to work in Israel.

Sometimes it isn't about having it good it is about having something to call your own. That is what Palestinians want or at least alot of them. Also they wouldn't need to work in Israel with their own country.

[Conserative Morality]

Why would I? Is saying that Israel is literally the only bastion of liberty and democracy in the entire Middle East ''trolling''?

Turkey? Iraq? Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan?

Furthermore, Ba'ath dictatorships are not Islamist, they are secular.

Is mentioning the Palestinian terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians ''trolling''? No, I am not trolling. I am simply stating my opinion, which is that Israel is a firm Western ally that should be protected at all costs.

Even at the cost of the West's interests? And the interests of the people of the Middle East?

[Divair]

Can the OP add a poll?

[Hippostania]

Arabs are not the problem. The people themselves are not the problem, their ideology is. And when that ideology is centered around hate for Israel and the jews, that's where the problems begin.

And what's Israel's ideology? The belief that their land was somehow promised to them by an unprovable deity and they have the right to shove other inhabitants out.

To create a Jewish state into an area where Jews have lived for thousands of years based on democratic principles and freedom for all its residents. Sounds horrible ;___;

[Conserative Morality]

To create a Jewish state into an area where Jews have lived for thousands of years based on democratic principles and freedom for all its residents. Sounds horrible ;___;

Shock and horror, some people aren't a fan of irrendentism and racial states.

[Murray land]

Don't turn this into religion please. Israel's government is totally out of control. They are anything but a bastion of freedom spreading light. I'd rather live in some God awful country in the middle of no where like Turkmenistan.

I did not necessarily talk about religion. I meant the combination of political ideologies, traditions and religions that are widespread in the Middle East. And Israel's government is out of control because they're trying to protect their own borders from nations which have attempted to invade them several times in the past? You can't be serious. Israel is the only democratic nation in the Middle East, yet you'd rather live in a country where there is no freedom of the press whatsoever, the economic situation is dire and dissenters are regularly jailed?

Yes I would because I wouldn't be under threat of invasion because of my jurk government.

[Chinese Regions]

And what's Israel's ideology? The belief that their land was somehow promised to them by an unprovable deity and they have the right to shove other inhabitants out.

To create a Jewish state into an area where Jews have lived for thousands of years based on democratic principles and freedom for all its residents. Sounds horrible ;___;

It is horrible when it is only for Jews and only Jews that are free and no one else.

[Cosmopoles]

America's support for Israel should be used as leverage to work towards a peace deal with Palestine.

[Hippostania]

Turkey?

Has a long history of military coup d'etats and personality cults

Iraq? Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan?

None of those countries are democratic according to Democracy Index or Freedom House.

Furthermore, Ba'ath dictatorships are not Islamist, they are secular.

True, they were officially secular. Neverthess, most of them use at least some kind of sharia law.

Even at the cost of the West's interests? And the interests of the people of the Middle East?

The interests of the Israeli people are our interests; the West should stand together.

[Murray land]

America's support for Israel should be used as leverage to work towards a peace deal with Palestine.

I think we tried that and I don't think it worked.

[Inky Noodles]

I say we silently do nothing while Iran and Israel butt-fuck each other.

A little "yes...yessss" wouldn't go amiss...

But seriously, America is what keeps both legitimate states and rouge terrorist groups from just walking into the tiny slither of land that is Israel and bombing it. Terrorists are scared of America. FACT.

true

[Divair]

Turkey?

Has a long history of military coup d'etats and personality cults

Iraq? Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan?

None of those countries are democratic according to Democracy Index or Freedom House.

Furthermore, Ba'ath dictatorships are not Islamist, they are secular.

True, they were officially secular. Neverthess, most of them use at least some kind of sharia law.

Even at the cost of the West's interests? And the interests of the people of the Middle East?

The interests of the Israeli people are our interests; the West should stand together.

Subsidizing the religious is our interest. Got it. I'll relay the news to Europe.

[EnragedMaldivians]

You willing to call their Samson bluff?

Personally? Yes, I am. I'm not the one at risk though, which makes it probably a good thing I'm not making the decision here. I see it as a matter of possible widespread harm vs. the guarantee of continual low-level harm.

Israel's like Pakistan. They're both highly successful con artists when it comes to securing your aid and have all but guaranteed that the status quo will be even worse if you discontinue that aid (in Pakistan the danger would be a total collapse of the civilian government to comepletely be replaced by the military).

Honestly, my position on Pakistan isn't much better.

The risk is simply too much for me to be dismissive about it, distasteful as it may for the U.S to acqueiesce to what is essentially blackmail. Even if they are really just bluffing, there's the possibility of the Iranians taking the rhetoric seriously and them doing something stupid. But yeah, it does boil down to possible widespread harm vs the guarantee of continual low level harm; not an easy decision at all.

As for Pakistan, I think we'd have a similar discussion. I don't know which is your worse "ally" between the two (Pakistan and Israel).

[Chinese Regions]

Turkey?

Has a long history of military coup d'etats and personality cults

Iraq? Egypt? Lebanon? Jordan?

None of those countries are democratic according to Democracy Index or Freedom House.

Furthermore, Ba'ath dictatorships are not Islamist, they are secular.

True, they were officially secular. Neverthess, most of them use at least some kind of sharia law.

Even at the cost of the West's interests? And the interests of the people of the Middle East?

The interests of the Israeli people are our interests; the West should stand together.

Your interests include destroying the homes of non-Jews and giving them no rights or rights unequal to that of Jews?

[Somalia 2]

Look, its simple. Do u guys in US want a permanent US aircraft carrier based in Middle East 24/7???? Do u know how much that cost??????? According to some defense reports, the existence of Israel saves the US and its allies $55 billion a year. Israel is an outward post against the enemy. Do not tell me UAE, Iraq, Saudia Arabia and Arab countries are Allies. No matter what we do, they will always see us the enemy. I am not talking about governments here, am talking in people level. The normal Arab believe the West is its eternal enemy.

I am from Somalia, Unfortunately we lost our battle with the Arabs when they successfully turned us to Muslims and made us use their customs and traditions. I see the main problem in my country is the Arabized Culture and Islamic faith. Somalia was better off when we hated the arabs and muslim and we were closer to our African Brothers.

But things will change.Israel existence is a red line. It should be supported and defended at all costs. I keep writing to our local politicians to change course and see Israel as our best friend in the middle east. If I was the President of our country, I would've made Israel existence as important as our existance.

God Bless Israel

[Divair]

America's support for Israel should be used as leverage to work towards a peace deal with Palestine.

It'd be hilarious to watch that happen.

[Jewcrew]

To create a Jewish state into an area where Jews have lived for thousands of years based on democratic principles and freedom for all its residents. Sounds horrible ;___;

It is horrible when it is only for Jews and only Jews that are free and no one else.

Considering that 20% of Israel's population is Arab with full and equal rights, with Arab members of the judiciary, supreme court, legislative body, and even one interim President that was Arab, I don't see how you can come to such a conclusion.

[Yewhohohopia]

America's support for Israel should be used as leverage to work towards a peace deal with Palestine.

That has been working really well with the current Israeli government.

"Yo Bebe, stop building settlements, this makes you look like a cunt etc. and the Palestinians just will not chill"
"Yeah or maybe I could not do as you say, because what are you going to do?"
"We're going to put frowny faces after Israel, like "Israel :/" when we continue to block every single thing in the UNSC which condemns you but not the Palestinians and so on"
"Fuck well we'd best change our entire policy outlook, then"
":/"

[Hippostania]

Your interests include destroying the homes of non-Jews and giving them no rights or rights unequal to that of Jews?

Do you think that Israeli citizens living in Israeli settlements in the West Bank should be allowed to keep living there? If you think that Palestinians shouldn't be deported but Israelis should, I find that rather hypocritical.

[Murray land]

Diviar suggested I make a poll. Well I suck with computers so how do I make one. Por favor explican a mi.

[Chinese Regions]

Your interests include destroying the homes of non-Jews and giving them no rights or rights unequal to that of Jews?

Do you think that Israeli citizens living in Israeli settlements in the West Bank should be allowed to keep living there? If you think that Palestinians shouldn't be deported but Israelis should, I find that rather hypocritical.

When did I say Israeli's should be deported?

[Yewhohohopia]

Diviar suggested I make a poll. Well I suck with computers so how do I make one. Por favor explican a mi.

El edito el OP. Or PO, not really sure with Spanish.

[Inky Noodles]

Has a long history of military coup d'etats and personality cults


None of those countries are democratic according to Democracy Index or Freedom House.


True, they were officially secular. Neverthess, most of them use at least some kind of sharia law.


The interests of the Israeli people are our interests; the West should stand together.

Your interests include destroying the homes of non-Jews and giving them no rights or rights unequal to that of Jews?

That's uncalled for.