Should America continue support of Israel?

[Cyborg Holland]

Israel's had a bit of a bum rap over the last, say, history. The fact that so many Jews fled Europe during the second world war to America, and then onto Israel after the mandate in 49, they share a common people's, albeit a lot more in Israel than the States (proportionally, that is). America provided a safe haven for the Jews at the time, and it is still doing so by protecting it.

[Divair]

No. All aid to Israel should be cut and the US should pressure the Israeli government into negotiating for a two state solution.

Well said. What do people in your country think of US aid?

Most people: "Yay, free money"
Logical people: "Stop giving money to our insane government"

Basically.

[Murray land]

We need to stop supporting Israel and Palestine is being oppresed.

I don't believe I said Israel should continue to be supported. I do support putting pressure upon Israel to end the conflict and support Palestinian statehood. On the other hand, I do believe both Israel and Palestine should be tried for war crimes, even though the former's may have been much worse.

No I know what you said and I disagree with part of it. Palestine shouldn't be charged with anything.

[Conserative Morality]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

What?

Are you trolling?

[Jewcrew]

Yeah, because this was a great thread to start.

Two books anyone who actually thinks they know anything about the issues should read are 'Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict' which debunks most of the widely believed myths about the conflict, well sourced and completely factual, and 'Son of Hamas', a book written by the son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, which gives you an inside view of the Palestinian Arab side, instead of the media view.

[EnragedMaldivians]

No, we really shouldn't. They're a rogue state and act against our interests. The more we support them, the more brazen they become. We should have dropped them long ago.

You willing to call their Samson bluff?

Israel's like Pakistan. They're both highly successful con artists when it comes to securing your aid and have all but guaranteed that the status quo will be even worse if you discontinue that aid (in Pakistan the danger would be a total collapse of the civilian government to comepletely be replaced by the military).

[Jewcrew]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

What?

Are you trolling?

I see coherent facts.

[Divair]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

What?

Are you trolling?

He's Hippo.

[Marina and The Diamonds]

I don't believe I said Israel should continue to be supported. I do support putting pressure upon Israel to end the conflict and support Palestinian statehood. On the other hand, I do believe both Israel and Palestine should be tried for war crimes, even though the former's may have been much worse.

No I know what you said and I disagree with part of it. Palestine shouldn't be charged with anything.

Why? Palestine committed war crimes too I believe. What Israel has done is worse, yes. But should war crimes of other countries just be ignored? Of course not.

[Murray land]

Well said. What do people in your country think of US aid?

Most people: "Yay, free money"
PSSSTTT, that money is on loan from China so uh we may need you to pay us back
As for you logical people kuddos to you your head is planted firmly on your shoulders.

[Hippostania]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

What?

Are you trolling?

Why would I? Is saying that Israel is literally the only bastion of liberty and democracy in the entire Middle East ''trolling''? Is mentioning the Palestinian terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians ''trolling''? No, I am not trolling. I am simply stating my opinion, which is that Israel is a firm Western ally that should be protected at all costs.

[Divair]

Most people: "Yay, free money"
PSSSTTT, that money is on loan from China so uh we may need you to pay us back
As for you logical people kuddos to you your head is planted firmly on your shoulders.

The USA won't ask for aid back from countries.

[Chinese Regions]

No.

[Norsklow]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

[Serrland]

No, we really shouldn't. They're a rogue state and act against our interests. The more we support them, the more brazen they become. We should have dropped them long ago.

You willing to call their Samson bluff?

Israel's like Pakistan. They're both highly successful con artists when it comes to securing your aid and have all but guaranteed that the status quo will be even worse if you discontinue that aid (in Pakistan the danger would be a total collapse of the civilian government to comepletely be replaced by the military).

Although the Israeli predicament is in one way more desirable than the Pakistani one - the Chinese aren't raring to jump to fill the void left by American money disappearing.

[EnragedMaldivians]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I'm not really sure you're sure what you're talking about.

What are you talking about?

[Hippostania]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

Arabs are not the problem. The people themselves are not the problem, their ideology is. And when that ideology is centered around hate for Israel and the jews, that's where the problems begin.

[Divair]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I'm not really sure you're sure what you're talking about.

What are you talking about?

South Sudan invading Israel. Duh.

[Murray land]

Most people: "Yay, free money"
PSSSTTT, that money is on loan from China so uh we may need you to pay us back
As for you logical people kuddos to you your head is planted firmly on your shoulders.

The USA won't ask for aid back from countries.

Yeah I know it's just a fantasy I have

[The Humanist Federation]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

Tell that to the Palestinians trying to get work in Israel.

[Conserative Morality]

You willing to call their Samson bluff?

Personally? Yes, I am. I'm not the one at risk though, which makes it probably a good thing I'm not making the decision here. I see it as a matter of possible widespread harm vs. the guarantee of continual low-level harm.

Israel's like Pakistan. They're both highly successful con artists when it comes to securing your aid and have all but guaranteed that the status quo will be even worse if you discontinue that aid (in Pakistan the danger would be a total collapse of the civilian government to comepletely be replaced by the military).

Honestly, my position on Pakistan isn't much better.

[Chinese Regions]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

Arabs are not the problem. The people themselves are not the problem, their ideology is. And when that ideology is centered around hate for Israel and the jews, that's where the problems begin.

And what's Israel's ideology? The belief that their land was somehow promised to them by an unprovable deity and they have the right to shove other inhabitants out.

[Murray land]

As long as there is ONE Arab who makes the slightest noise, that support should continue.
And we - the West - ought to give systematic support for just about anything that pursues Arab aspirations outside of Mecca and Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_ ... _Sudan.svg

Arabs are not the problem. The people themselves are not the problem, their ideology is. And when that ideology is centered around hate for Israel and the jews, that's where the problems begin.

Don't turn this into religion please. Israel's government is totally out of control. They are anything but a bastion of freedom spreading light. I'd rather live in some God awful country in the middle of no where like Turkmenistan.

[Hippostania]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

Tell that to the Palestinians trying to get work in Israel.

An independent Palestinian state would worsen the working conditions of Palestinians even further. Watch this video, it explains why dividing Jerusalem would be bad for Palestinians, and the same concept would apply to dividing Israel. Dividing Israel would only make it more difficult for Palestinians to work in Israel.

[Yewhohohopia]

No. Any other opinion is Bad And Wrong.