Should America continue support of Israel?

[Conserative Morality]

You forgot the slaughters.

North Africa used to be made up of... you know... Africans.

Right.

Except for the Phoenician colonists.

And Egyptians.

And the Berbers.

And the fact that Ancient Libyans were described as paler than Egyptians.

But demonizing Arabs is much more fun, isn't it?

[Jewcrew]

But demonizing Arabs is much more fun, isn't it?

Darn tootin'! Hyuk hyuk!

[EnragedMaldivians]

What CM said. And I don't recall asking or condoning for white people to be expelled from anywhere.

So what should happen to the Israelis, who make up a majority in the territory they control?

I said nothing about expelling Israelis. Though I dare say dismantling illegal settlements isn't exactly equivalent to reversing demographic changes that were concomitant with invasions that happened over a 1000 years ago.

[Conserative Morality]

Darn tootin'! Hyuk hyuk!

Not going to respond to my assertion that the Arabs didn't expel great numbers of the native North Africans?

[Jewcrew]

So what should happen to the Israelis, who make up a majority in the territory they control?

I said nothing about expelling Israelis. Though I dare say dismantling illegal settlements isn't exactly equivalent to reversing demographic changes that were concomitant with invasions that happened over a 1000 years ago.

The legality of the settlements is disputed by several legal authorities, and the official position of the American government is that they are not illegal. The vast majority of 'settlers' are in fact in areas of Judea and Samaria that according to the Oslo Accords will go to Israel in a final agreement. Most of the settlements outside these boundaries have been dismantled, and there has been no construction in areas outside of the Oslo boundaries for nearly two decades now.

[Jewcrew]

Darn tootin'! Hyuk hyuk!

Not going to respond to my assertion that the Arabs didn't expel great numbers of the native North Africans?

No, because honestly, I only have some basic information on the area and was merely using it as an example. I don't know enough to have an extended debate.

[Conserative Morality]

No, because honestly, I only have some basic information on the area and was merely using it as an example. I don't know enough to have an extended debate.

Examples only work when the situation you're discussing supports your point, rather than detracting from it.

[Nidaria]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

You make the right-wing look bad.

That said, I am against Israel. It is not a legitimate state and seems intent on attacking every other Middle-Eastern country. Of course, the bankers (who support Israel) practically control the government (through bribes and political donations).

[New Nassrau]

This question should be, "Should America continue its costly, constant support of nations who never seem to return the favor?"

They do return the favor, Israel is a technologically advanced state who gives us many things, but more importantly, they stand by us on everything, like in the U.N. They boycotted the 1980 olympics with us, they are true friends that we should keep close to.

[Jewcrew]

Absolutely. Israel is one of the most important allies of the US, if not the most important. They're the Western foothold in a region controlled by radical islamofascist dictatorships, a bastion of freedom that shines across the entire Middle East. All Western countries should have unwavering support for Israel, despite opposition from left-wing radicals who want to let Jordanians infiltrate Israel and kill millions of people simply because they are Jewish.

You make the right-wing look bad.

That said, I am against Israel. It is not a legitimate state and seems intent on attacking every other Middle-Eastern country. Of course, the bankers (who support Israel) practically control the government (through bribes and political donations).

And what makes a state legitimate? Is it just because they're Jews?

Because based on your Antisemitic statement that they control the banks and government, that's about all I have to go on.

[Esperantistan]

I think Israel should be helped by the US should Iran choose to invade, however the only reason Ahmedenejad wants to attack Israel in the first place is because of the occupation of Palestine. If Israel were to simply let West Bank and Gaza go, they wouldn't have to worry about Iran, or Syria, or Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians need help too, Israel is building illegal settlements in WB, and bombing the homes of Palestinian civilians. Yasser Arafat said that the only was peace could be achieved, and the Arab-Israeli conflict to end would be for the end of the occupation. There's no reason any country can't recognize both states, Egypt and Joradan have accepted Israel's existence, while still supporting Palestine's statehood. There's nothing Anti-Semitic about a Palestinian nation. The only way to end the conflict is to allow both Israel and Palestine to co-exist in peace.

[Phocidaea]

It shouldn't continue its unwavering support of Israel, lest it start WWIII.

The US should, however, act as an arbitrator between countries in the Middle East. I don't want to see Iran and Israel getting full-out nuke happy with each other, and they honestly need as many foreign mediators as they can get.

[Norsklow]

Darn tootin'! Hyuk hyuk!

Not going to respond to my assertion that the Arabs didn't expel great numbers of the native North Africans?

As opposed to exterminate them?
And even if they didn't,why tolerate the Arab invasion at all?

[Nidaria]

You make the right-wing look bad.

That said, I am against Israel. It is not a legitimate state and seems intent on attacking every other Middle-Eastern country. Of course, the bankers (who support Israel) practically control the government (through bribes and political donations).

And what makes a state legitimate? Is it just because they're Jews?

Because based on your Antisemitic statement that they control the banks and government, that's about all I have to go on.

No, the land used to belong to the Palestinians (a similar situation is that the United States stole land from the Indian Reservations). If they wanted a uniquely Jewish nation so bad, they could have negotiated with the Palestinians. No, I am not anti-semitic. Prominent government officials receive millions of dollars from bankers and other CEO's, usually with a tacit promise that they will support their donors. Many of these businessmen are, for one reason or another, in support of Israel.

[New Nassrau]

It shouldn't continue its unwavering support of Israel, lest it start WWIII.

The US should, however, act as an arbitrator between countries in the Middle East. I don't want to see Iran and Israel getting full-out nuke happy with each other, and they honestly need as many foreign mediators as they can get.

Mediators? Well, every single nation in the world is either for Israel or for Iran... so... no...

[The Zeonic States]

No, No not just no, Hell no. It's time to see how well those supposedly "God favored" People do with out foreign aid, My prediction? It will be destoryed in a Hellfire (Heh religious pun) Of it's own making within a year. Probably by Iran and good for them, It's about time they did a invasion anyway what Isreal deciding to launch unprovoked military assaults within their country that you know, Kill civilians and all.

Heck if American soil had been assaulted by a foreign military they would not even have needed more then one excuse , But They are supposed to play bodyguard to Isreal when they go out of their way to pick fights? Yeah i don't view that as a positive thing to be honest, Nor a very smart thing.

[Sidhae]

Who do you think dragged America in Iraq War, and is now trying to drag it into conflict with Iran?

The Zionists of Israel and America are using US armed forces to fight wars for them. Obviously, the support should be cut here and now. But it's not like any of us here will ever have a say over that.

[New Nassrau]

Everyone here is biased... our arguing won't get anywhere...

[Transinatria]

Who do you think dragged America in Iraq War, and is now trying to drag it into conflict with Iran?

The Zionists of Israel and America are using US armed forces to fight wars for them. Obviously, the support should be cut here and now. But it's not like any of us here will ever have a say over that.

Over where? Iran?

[Jewcrew]

I think Israel should be helped by the US should Iran choose to invade, however the only reason Ahmedenejad wants to attack Israel in the first place is because of the occupation of Palestine. If Israel were to simply let West Bank and Gaza go, they wouldn't have to worry about Iran, or Syria, or Saudi Arabia. The Palestinians need help too, Israel is building illegal settlements in WB, and bombing the homes of Palestinian civilians. Yasser Arafat said that the only was peace could be achieved, and the Arab-Israeli conflict to end would be for the end of the occupation. There's no reason any country can't recognize both states, Egypt and Joradan have accepted Israel's existence, while still supporting Palestine's statehood. There's nothing Anti-Semitic about a Palestinian nation. The only way to end the conflict is to allow both Israel and Palestine to co-exist in peace.

This is one SNAFU of myths.

The myth that the issues surrounding Judea and Samaria are the reason for lack of peace in the Middle East:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ace.html#2
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ace.html#3

The myth of illegal settlements: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... nts.html#1

The myth that a future "Palestinian" state wouldn't post a danger to Israel: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ace.html#4

[Husqvarnia]

No, simply because it's not worth it. The Moss ad has already spied on the US as has the CIA on Israel. The way the Israelis treat the Palestinians is awful. The US only condemns the acts of the Palestinians against the Israelis, but never so when t Israel bombs the Gaza strip or imprisons children. The US support of Israel has also caused a great deal of hate from the Middle East against America for decades. We shouldn't have given Israel to the Jews in the first place. They took over and are now in control of the people who were already living there. I strongly believe that a truce will not be met anywhere in the near future. If the US assists in helping the Palestinians, stronger relations can be made with the Middle East and trade can grow, which will help the poorer regions in the long run. Israel is not planning an attack on Iran, it's made up, but Iran is on high alert. Both have nukes. End to support of Israel, why are we still in support anyway?

[Elwher]

Yes, we should, from a purely realpolitk reason.

As long as Israel continues to exist, the radical Islamic groups will continue to devote much, if not most, of their efforts against it. This diverts forces and energies which might be used against us instead. Therefore, to my way of thinking, the continued existance of an anti-Islamic Israel is benificial to the United States and should be supported.

CYNIC, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision. Ambrose Bierce

[Jewcrew]

And what makes a state legitimate? Is it just because they're Jews?

Because based on your Antisemitic statement that they control the banks and government, that's about all I have to go on.

No, the land used to belong to the Palestinians (a similar situation is that the United States stole land from the Indian Reservations). If they wanted a uniquely Jewish nation so bad, they could have negotiated with the Palestinians. No, I am not anti-semitic. Prominent government officials receive millions of dollars from bankers and other CEO's, usually with a tacit promise that they will support their donors. Many of these businessmen are, for one reason or another, in support of Israel.

The land was a part of a stateless region know as "Palestine" which included Syria. The area in question today was part of the British Mandate for Palestine. There were, in fact, attempts at negotiations, which the Palestinian Arabs rejected outright. Please read this as a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat ... _Palestine

[Conserative Morality]

As opposed to exterminate them?
And even if they didn't,why tolerate the Arab invasion at all?

Because, as alien as it might seem, some people don't think that where a few families lived centuries ago should determine who gets the land now.

[Myrensis]

Yes, we should, from a purely realpolitk reason.
As long as Israel continues to exist, the radical Islamic groups will continue to devote much, if not most, of their efforts against it. This diverts forces and energies which might be used against us instead. Therefore, to my way of thinking, the continued existance of an anti-Islamic Israel is benificial to the United States and should be supported.

So your contention is that if not for Israel, Hamas would start firing Intercontinental Ballistic Katyusha's at the United States? Israel fuel's anti-American sentiment, it doesn't distract from it.