Second American Civil War

[Jewcrew]

I haven't read the statistics in a while. You have a source giving any?

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/archives/metropolitan_planning/cps2k.cfm

http://www.census.gov/geo/www/ua/2010urbanruralclass.html

http://www.dailyyonder.com/largest-share-army-recruits-come-ruralexurban-america/2009/03/02/1962

Hey, the Urban VS. Rural theory doesn't even stack up! Only 20% of the population in rural areas? Are ruralites THAT much more likely to vote? I somehow doubt it!

[Conserative Morality]

Hey, the Urban VS. Rural theory doesn't even stack up! Only 20% of the population in rural areas? Are ruralites THAT much more likely to vote? I somehow doubt it!

What are you talking about?

[Jewcrew]

Hey, the Urban VS. Rural theory doesn't even stack up! Only 20% of the population in rural areas? Are ruralites THAT much more likely to vote? I somehow doubt it!

What are you talking about?

In most popular media about the 'cultural divide' (that I've read, anyway), it consistently talks about the Urban VS. Rural divide, such as seen in elections. And yet, with only 20% of the country in rural areas, CLEARLY there has to be a significant portion of the conservative electorate inside major urban areas.

America seems far more mixed that popular media suggests.

[Conserative Morality]

In most popular media about the 'cultural divide' (that I've read, anyway), it consistently talks about the Urban VS. Rural divide, such as seen in elections. And yet, with only 20% of the country in rural areas, CLEARLY there has to be a significant portion of the conservative electorate inside major urban areas.

America seems far more mixed that popular media suggests.

Check the county map here.

Compare.

In urban counties, Democrat candidates lead by around 15-20% pretty consistently. In rural counties, Republican candidates lead by 30-40% pretty consistently.

[Jewcrew]

In most popular media about the 'cultural divide' (that I've read, anyway), it consistently talks about the Urban VS. Rural divide, such as seen in elections. And yet, with only 20% of the country in rural areas, CLEARLY there has to be a significant portion of the conservative electorate inside major urban areas.

America seems far more mixed that popular media suggests.

Check the county map here.

Compare.

In urban counties, Democrat candidates lead by around 15-20% pretty consistently. In rural counties, Republican candidates lead by 30-40% pretty consistently.

That's not enough of a divide to create serious tension, not considering how much the sides have in common compared to the American Civil War.

[Conserative Morality]

That's not enough of a divide to create serious tension, not considering how much the sides have in common compared to the American Civil War.

2/3 to 1/3 isn't enough to create serious tension?

In the south before the Civil War, there was a lot of tension between the Slave-owning caste and the poor whites (Not counting slaves), and that ratio was about the same. Likewise, about 1/3 of the south's population at that time were slaves, and there was a hell of a lot of tension there.

I don't disagree that another civil war is unlikely, but the numbers aren't the problem.

[Jewcrew]

That's not enough of a divide to create serious tension, not considering how much the sides have in common compared to the American Civil War.

2/3 to 1/3 isn't enough to create serious tension?

In the south before the Civil War, there was a lot of tension between the Slave-owning caste and the poor whites (Not counting slaves), and that ratio was about the same. Likewise, about 1/3 of the south's population at that time were slaves, and there was a hell of a lot of tension there.

I don't disagree that another civil war is unlikely, but the numbers aren't the problem.

You missed the 'not considering how much the sides have in common compared to the American Civil War.'

The divide is much smaller today than it was during the Civil War.

As I said, contrary to the popular opinion of some, the cultural divide today is over some pretty minor things, for the most part. Heck, even the abortion issue could be solved relatively easily if the two sides would agree to a middle ground, which is what most Americans agree with (I forget the exact info from the poll, but I THINK it was limiting abortions to the first trimester has a majority support, with no other conditions)

[LuAimee]

The American Civil War was a significant chapter in US history, however, its outcomes helped develop the country that exists today .


Civil War Gun

[The State of Maine (Ancient)]

It is ridiculously unlikely. More likely one of the pacific territories declares independance and we give it to them without firing a shot.

[Scooby Doo and Friends]

People are too fat and lazy to bother. They're armchair revolutionaries who quote radicals they have never heard of and wouldn't do a thing if they were faced with separating themselves from their Facebook accounts and their cell phones.

I am one of these people. And frankly, I'm quite embarrassed with myself.

[Jinos]

Why the South? What the hell? Don't we already have a 50 page long thread on the South revolting?

Don't you know? NSG never gets tired of debating about civil wars. Especially American ones.

[Norsklow]

It's all tosh.
There is way too many people with pigmented skins in the old Confederacy for rising again to work.
Although it would be fun to watch the nutters loose.

[Rebelillon]

Were a good 20booker or 30 years from this Happening but when it does the outcome will be Very Diffrent the US is dependant on the Southern States for most everything including atms Manufactureing

And Since most Yankees are all for abolishing the Second amendment theyd br Screwed

[Greater New York]

Were a good 20booker or 30 years from this Happening but when it does the outcome will be Very Diffrent the US is dependant on the Southern States for most everything including atms Manufactureing

And Since most Yankees are all for abolishing the Second amendment theyd br Screwed

Yeah, except the military would probably crush the south in a heartbeat. The idea of being loyal to a state or region is long dead in the US, and the military would in all likelihood stand by the Federal government.

[Norsklow]

And Since most Yankees are all for abolishing the Second amendment theyd br Screwed

Listening in on the Reb Comms.

Bluejay6, this is Papa6.
5 by 5, Papa. What's on your mind, pardner?
Bluejay, you copied that order from Bubba6?
Papa, none of us could read a durned thing of what that durned Texian wrote. So we're pretending here he kept his pesky trap shut. As he shoulda...

[Rebelillon]

Were a good 20booker or 30 years from this Happening but when it does the outcome will be Very Diffrent the US is dependant on the Southern States for most everything including atms Manufactureing

And Since most Yankees are all for abolishing the Second amendment theyd br Screwed

Yeah, except the military would probably crush the south in a heartbeat. The idea of being loyal to a state or region is long dead in the US, and the military would in all likelihood stand by the Federal government.

The Biggest military Bases Are in Texas the Yanks wouldnt Be A Threat the South would just not supply the North with weapons end of story

[Cill Airne]

Any second civil war would not be a replay of the first.

This, if there were to be a second American Civil War, I highly doubt a CSA would form, nor would it be about the same things the first American Civil War was about. It would be entirely different.

[Farnhamia]

Yeah, except the military would probably crush the south in a heartbeat. The idea of being loyal to a state or region is long dead in the US, and the military would in all likelihood stand by the Federal government.

The Biggest military Bases Are in Texas the Yanks wouldnt Be A Threat the South would just not supply the North with weapons end of story

Not be a threat? That's exactly the attitude that got hundreds of thousands of southerners killed 150 years ago.

[Rebelillon]

And Since most Yankees are all for abolishing the Second amendment theyd br Screwed

Listening in on the Reb Comms.

Bluejay6, this is Papa6.
5 by 5, Papa. What's on your mind, pardner?
Bluejay, you copied that order from Bubba6?
Papa, none of us could read a durned thing of what that durned Texian wrote. So we're pretending here he kept his pesky trap shut. As he shoulda...

If your going to mock some one for not understanding whst they put on here make some since your Self

[Rebelillon]

The Biggest military Bases Are in Texas the Yanks wouldnt Be A Threat the South would just not supply the North with weapons end of story

Not be a threat? That's exactly the attitude that got hundreds of thousands of southerners killed 150 years ago.

Hundreds of thousands of Yanks died to you know that right

You act like the yanks dominated the yanks were dominated by the south for the fitst 3 years pock up a history book

[Norsklow]

Listening in on the Reb Comms.

Bluejay6, this is Papa6.
5 by 5, Papa. What's on your mind, pardner?
Bluejay, you copied that order from Bubba6?
Papa, none of us could read a durned thing of what that durned Texian wrote. So we're pretending here he kept his pesky trap shut. As he shoulda...

If your going to mock some one for not understanding whst they put on here make some since your Self

Se habla ingles?

[Ifreann]

Not be a threat? That's exactly the attitude that got hundreds of thousands of southerners killed 150 years ago.

Hundreds of thousands of Yanks died to you know that right

You act like the yanks dominated the yanks were dominated by the south for the fitst 3 years pock up a history book

And despite killing all those Union troops, the Confederates still lost.

[Farnhamia]

Not be a threat? That's exactly the attitude that got hundreds of thousands of southerners killed 150 years ago.

Hundreds of thousands of Yanks died to you know that right

You act like the yanks dominated the yanks were dominated by the south for the fitst 3 years pock up a history book

Three years? No. The South lost Island No. 10 in April of 1862, less than a year after hostilities started, New Orleans in May of 1862, tightening Union control of the Mississippi. The Union naval blockade was never seriously challenged. Certainly the South won some notable victories on the battlefield, but always on the defensive. Every attempt to invade the North was stopped, at Antietam, at Gettysburg, at Nashville (Early's move against Washington in 1864 was never anything more than a raid). The outcome was never really in doubt once Grant began moving in the West and Meade assumed command of the Army of the Potomac. The South couldn't replace casualties the way the North could and worse, they couldn't replace losses in their officer corps. I recommend Douglas Southall Freeman's Lee's Lieutenants for details on the latter, and either Bruce Catton's or Allan Nevin's works on the war in general.

[Dracone]

the south would kick the norths ass this time. At this point, there is a much, much higher ratio of soldiers in the US military who come from the south then the north, and what with texas having that oil city of theirs.... and how much more industrialzation in the south (since in reality thats why they lost last time, they couldnt replace the bullets they spent slaughtering northeners and eventually got slaughtered themselves instead)
lets just say if theres a war, im moving south. especially since I agree with them more politically then with the north...

[Farnhamia]

the south would kick the norths ass this time. At this point, there is a much, much higher ratio of soldiers in the US military who come from the south then the north, and what with texas having that oil city of theirs.... and how much more industrialzation in the south (since in reality thats why they lost last time, they couldnt replace the bullets they spent slaughtering northeners and eventually got slaughtered themselves instead)
lets just say if theres a war, im moving south. especially since I agree with them more politically then with the north...

I doubt it. I doubt that the Armed Forces would break up the same way they did in 1860. Even so, that Texas oil city would probably be first on the list of places to be visited by cruise missiles.

Anyway, if there is another civil war it won't be on regional lines.