Republican Newsletter Calls For "Armed Revolution"

[Jewcrew]

And for the record...

Believing marriage is between a man and a woman does not make you an extremist. Believing that homosexuals should be killed, does.

There's still no reason to hold this belief that births inequality.

Believing in capitalism does not make you an extremist. Believing that humans should be able to own other humans, does.

Not arguing with that. Most economic systems have their pros and cons.

Believing in greater controls on the banking system does not make you an extremists. Believing in socialism, does.

Depends on the type of socialism. Calling for a change of economic system isn't extremism. A call for violent revolution is.

That's the inherent problem I seem to run into when I try to discuss things with the left wing. They have no understanding of what an extremist actually is. I find the same thing on the right from time to time, but no where near as often as I find it on the left. It's a big problem in Canada, with the left wing often calling our current Prime Minister an extremist when the most extreme thing he's managed to do so far is increase minimum sentencing for criminals by a few years. Average prison time is still far shorter in Canada than in the USA!

In the U.S, there's much more of that on the right, considering how many conservatives consider the centrist that occupies the oval office to be a radical stalinist. Not to mention there's not much in the way of an American "left"...

Alright, so the American right and the American left are just as crazy.

I'm glad I live in Canada.

Except for the gun control thing.

[Seperates]

Believing marriage is between a man and a woman does not make you an extremist.
Believing in capitalism does not make you an extremist. Believing in socialism, does.

The underlined does make you wrong though.
The legal act of Marriage is defined as whatever the government defines it as, and there is absoluty no reason to treat homosexual citizens as second-class in this regard. The religious sacrement of matrimony, however, is defined as whatever the church defines it as, and has no legally binding power.

And isn't that which is in the red a contradiction?

[Saluterre]

There's still no reason to hold this belief that births inequality.


Not arguing with that. Most economic systems have their pros and cons.


Depends on the type of socialism. Calling for a change of economic system isn't extremism. A call for violent revolution is.


In the U.S, there's much more of that on the right, considering how many conservatives consider the centrist that occupies the oval office to be a radical stalinist. Not to mention there's not much in the way of an American "left"...

Alright, so the American right and the American left are just as crazy.

I'm glad I live in Canada.

Except for the gun control thing.

There is no American left. There is the American right, and the American center. The closest thing we have to a large scale left party is the center-left Green Party.

[Moving Forward Inc]

So what, if bigots take over America by force and do unconstitutional things you'll do nothing?
You sir, lack bravery.

Bigots are a lot like pufferfish - their movements are a lot more bluster than actual size (1 million moms doesn't have 1 million moms, WBC is a hand full of rabble rowsers, a lot of the patriotic militias are fat, middle aged guys with more guns then brains etc).

It's important to oppose them democratically at every opportunity, but they really aren't going to be taking over the US and wrecking the constitution. If they managed that it would be quite surprising.

Why the fuck would I vote for Santorum or Romney at election time? Trust me, I'll be sticking with Anti-bigot Gary Johnson thank you very much.
Anyway, for the rest of the post, you make a good point. The fact is that those "Middle-class patriotic christian families" that republicans claim the vote of belongs to them, a lot of are voting for Obama, because the fact is if Obama was in another country (UK, Norway, Australia, Canada, NZ) he would actually be considered quite conservative.
Republican's such as Santorum and Romney just have their right-wing views exaggerated to the point of Bigotry and hatred.
The problem is that even if only 1% of the country joined in on this, people will die, and we have to be willing to kill these God-fearing just men to protect people from loss of life. And I would estimate 25% of Americans are bigots, it takes only 4 in 100 to start up a group of Knights willing to fight in the just cause of god resisting bigots. And if they do grab their guns, I swear I will too. Because there is nothing better than defending Satanic people who are no different to teh evil gays innocent people by killing Knights of Justice bigots.

[Jewcrew]

Believing marriage is between a man and a woman does not make you an extremist.
Believing in capitalism does not make you an extremist. Believing in socialism, does.

The underlined does make you wrong though.
The legal act of Marriage is defined as whatever the government defines it as, and there is absoluty no reason to treat homosexual citizens as second-class in this regard. The religious sacrement of matrimony, however, is defined as whatever the church defines it as, and has no legally binding power.

And isn't that which is in the red a contradiction?

I could move to Israel right now with nothing but the shirt on my back, get citizenship and wouldn't be able to get married because marriage in Israel is controlled by religious authorities rather than the government. They don't have civil unions. A quick trip to Cyprus alleviates the problem.

Capitalism has been the general state of affairs for Westerners for centuries. Government control over the market has only popped up in several extreme cases. Mixed markets with a general leaning towards capitalism have become the norm today, but socialism is still not and hopefully never will be the norm for Westerners. Technically speaking, the only Western systems to ever have socialism were the fascist systems of Germany and Italy. Hitler's policies, contrary to popular belief, were Keynesian in nature and a form of socialism, if a different form of socialism than most socialists would wish to see.

I'm happy with Canada's economic system, though I think it could due with a few more steps towards capitalism.

[Jewcrew]

Alright, so the American right and the American left are just as crazy.

I'm glad I live in Canada.

Except for the gun control thing.

There is no American left. There is the American right, and the American center. The closest thing we have to a large scale left party is the center-left Green Party.

If there's little left of the centre, then the centre is technically the left. If you fall farther left of that, then you fall into the extreme. Democrats are left wing Americans, Republican are right wing Americans. Left wing and right wing mean completely different things in different countries.

[Wikkiwallana]

And for the record...

Believing marriage is between a man and a woman does not make you an extremist. Believing that homosexuals should be killed, does.

Believing in capitalism does not make you an extremist. Believing that humans should be able to own other humans, does.

Believing in free speech does not make you an extremist. Believing that white people are somehow superior, does.

Nobody said any of those things makes someone an extremist, where are you going with…

Believing in greater controls on the banking system does not make you an extremist. Believing in socialism, does.

Oh. You just wanted a soapbox to proclaim from. How silly of me.

That's the inherent problem I seem to run into when I try to discuss things with the left wing. They have no understanding of what an extremist actually is.

Says the guy who just called socialists extremists.

I find the same thing on the right from time to time, but no where near as often as I find it on the left. It's a big problem in Canada, with the left wing often calling our current Prime Minister an extremist when the most extreme thing he's managed to do so far is increase minimum sentencing for criminals by a few years. Average prison time is still far shorter in Canada than in the USA!

There's been a bit more than that.

Things that both sides need to remember:
Civil rights and human rights are two different things.

Why?

Canada isn't socialist, it's a mixed but market driven economy that currently rates higher than America on the economic freedom index.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Backyard pools kill more people annually than guns.

I repeat the question.

The first amendment prevents gay people from forcing churches to marry them should gay marriage become legal. In Canada, individual places of worship have final say on who they marry, even on the gay issue.

That's nice, and completely irrelevant.

Edit:

While we're on it, people need to understand there is a difference between socialism and mixed economy.

Socialism means that the economy is primarily controlled or directed by the government, with communism being the extreme case.

Wrong.

Mixed economy means that the economy has a mix of government and private controls.

Well, yeah…

Capitalism means that the economy is primarily controlled by the free market, with anarcho-capitalism being the extreme case.

Wrong again.

Canada has a mixed but market-driven economy. It means that were are a mixed economy, but very close to capitalism.

America used to have a capitalist economy, but has less economic freedom than Canada thanks to the amazingly huge bureaucracy. It is technically a mixed economy, still leaning towards capitalism.

Seriously, why the hell did you even bring this up?

[Seperates]

The underlined does make you wrong though.
The legal act of Marriage is defined as whatever the government defines it as, and there is absoluty no reason to treat homosexual citizens as second-class in this regard. The religious sacrement of matrimony, however, is defined as whatever the church defines it as, and has no legally binding power.

And isn't that which is in the red a contradiction?

I could move to Israel right now with nothing but the shirt on my back, get citizenship and wouldn't be able to get married because marriage in Israel is controlled by religious authorities rather than the government. They don't have civil unions. A quick trip to Cyprus alleviates the problem.

Capitalism has been the general state of affairs for Westerners for centuries. Government control over the market has only popped up in several extreme cases. Mixed markets with a general leaning towards capitalism have become the norm today, but socialism is still not and hopefully never will be the norm for Westerners. Technically speaking, the only Western systems to ever have socialism were the fascist systems of Germany and Italy. Hitler's policies, contrary to popular belief, were Keynesian in nature and a form of socialism, if a different form of socialism than most socialists would wish to see.

I'm happy with Canada's economic system, though I think it could due with a few more steps towards capitalism.

Indeed, and that's what happens when you let your religion get in control of your government. Doesn't matter. My point still stands.

My point is socialism and capitalism are both extremes of mixed market, with communism being a completely different branch-off all together because it works on a different market-value system than either socialism or capitalism, and really a technical impossiblity due to the cultural complexity and compilicy that would be required for such a state to last for more than a couple generations.

So your original point that "believing in capitalism isn't extreme, but socialism is" is wrong. Both capitalism and socialism are extremes.

[Saluterre]

Capitalism has been the general state of affairs for Westerners for centuries. Government control over the market has only popped up in several extreme cases.

Government control is irrelevant to socialism. Read up on market socialism, libertarian socialism, and worker cooperatives.

Mixed markets with a general leaning towards capitalism have become the norm today, but socialism is still not and hopefully never will be the norm for Westerners.
Technically speaking, the only Western systems to ever have socialism were the fascist systems of Germany and Italy.

Hell, no. Italian fascist economic policy is based on economic corporatism. Mussolini was fiercely anti-union as well. Germany's economy was state controlled and privately owned, and relied on competition.

Hitler's policies, contrary to popular belief, were Keynesian in nature

Broadly speaking, this is true. They were proto-Keynesian.

and a form of socialism, if a different form of socialism than most socialists would wish to see.

No... Keynesianism is completely unrelated to socialism. It is a school of capitalism that focuses on government intervention and stimulus spending in times of economic trouble, and is unrelated to worker's control of the means of production.

Important distinctions:
Government intervention =/= Government control
Government control =/= Workers' control
Government control =/= Socialism

[Saluterre]

There is no American left. There is the American right, and the American center. The closest thing we have to a large scale left party is the center-left Green Party.

If there's little left of the centre, then the centre is technically the left. If you fall farther left of that, then you fall into the extreme. Democrats are left wing Americans, Republican are right wing Americans. Left wing and right wing mean completely different things in different countries.

The definition of extremism doesn't change with mainstream political changes. If I was suggesting we hang all the bankers and the capitalists, and run the Potomac red with blood, I'd be an extremist. Suggesting that we bring democracy into the economy and accept some new ideas is hardly such. To change my core values simply to conform would be unprincipled and morally repugnant.

[Ethel mermania]

deep in his heart much like jimmy carter lusted after other women, i think obama is a socialist. He clearly does not rule like one.

that said, i would like to see a direct report of the newsletter, i hope it is false,

if i were a republican party leader i would not say anything about it till forced too, i wouldn't want to draw attention to it. Streisand effect.

I linked to a HuffPo article which presented the entire newsletter in PDF format. I'll do so again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 ... 01510.html

Page 7, article title is "Whitehouse Watchdog". Calls for armed revolution may be found in the last column of the article, toward the end.

Thank you for the link, the only thing I can say is "ugh, some of my fellow republicans are idiots".

[Des-Bal]

If Obama again

No more Guns

No more 2nd amendment

Taxes raised more

77.8 millions out of work

A liberal/socialist kingdom

FIGHT FOR LIBERTY NOT LIBERALISM FORWARD

Vote Romney/Ryan 2012

Obama didn't take your guns, he doesn't want your guns.
The president can't repeal an ammendment.

Taxes are lower than they've ever been.

You don't understand what any of those words mean.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If Obama again

No more Guns

No more 2nd amendment

Taxes raised more

77.8 millions out of work

A liberal/socialist kingdom

FIGHT FOR LIBERTY NOT LIBERALISM FORWARD

Vote Romney/Ryan 2012

Obama didn't take your guns, he doesn't want your guns.
The president can't repeal an ammendment.

Taxes are lower than they've ever been.

You don't understand what any of those words mean.

We're convinced he's a chat bot. As Trotskylvania said, he's too much of a caricature to be a real person.

[Free South Califas]

"Not for nothing do the masters have weapons", says the Bible, the oldest tool of authority and monopolization-of-violence currently recognized. The passage quoted by Prussia-Whateverstan should sicken anyone who lives in a civilized society. The concept that a good Christian always obeys his government is simply smashed to bits by a moment's rational thought. Who, after all, were the good Christians in Nazi Germany? In the age of American slavery? Of course, the Bible tells slaves to obey their master as if God, too. Isn't that a convenient little frame to set up for your masses?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

"Not for nothing do the masters have weapons", says the Bible, the oldest tool of authority and monopolization-of-violence currently recognized. The passage quoted by Prussia-Whateverstan should sicken anyone who lives in a civilized society. The concept that a good Christian always obeys his government is simply smashed to bits by a moment's rational thought. Who, after all, were the good Christians in Nazi Germany? In the age of American slavery? Of course, the Bible tells slaves to obey their master as if God, too. Isn't that a convenient little frame to set up for your masses?

Actually, I don't have any "stan" in my name. You may simply call me Prussia, or PS, as most do.

Why should obeying the government sicken a civilised person? I take it exactly the opposite way - any person that purposefully and wilfully disobeys his government is completely uncivilised.

I'm not even go to address the second half of your post, as it makes almost no sense whatsoever.

[Wamitoria]

"Not for nothing do the masters have weapons", says the Bible, the oldest tool of authority and monopolization-of-violence currently recognized. The passage quoted by Prussia-Whateverstan should sicken anyone who lives in a civilized society. The concept that a good Christian always obeys his government is simply smashed to bits by a moment's rational thought. Who, after all, were the good Christians in Nazi Germany? In the age of American slavery? Of course, the Bible tells slaves to obey their master as if God, too. Isn't that a convenient little frame to set up for your masses?

Actually, I don't have any "stan" in my name. You may simply call me Prussia, or PS, as most do.

Why should obeying the government sicken a civilised person? I take it exactly the opposite way - any person that purposefully and wilfully disobeys his government is completely uncivilised.

Are the people who disobeyed the government's order to turn over escaped slaves during the 1850s uncivilized? /devilsadvocate

[Revolutopia]

I'm not even go to address the second half of your post, as it makes almost no sense whatsoever.

He is attacking the idea that Christians should always obey their government by mentioning how morality should dictate that they should engage in Civil Disobedience instead of comply with immoral activities of certain governments. Aka the example of Christian Abolitionists disobeying the Fugitive Slave Act and instead helping runaway slaves escape into Canada or Christians in Nazi Germany working to hide Jews from the government.

[Nimines]

BarackMan: Revenge of The Republicans in theaters soon!

[Kazarogkai]

Personally I am Pretty firmly Right-wing and well libertarian but I have no personal problem with Obama, instead I just hate the government in general i think both the republicans and democrats are crooked bastards who i would be more than happy to put them up to a wall and shoot. The united states hasn't had a revolution for too long i think it is time for one but not against really Obama personally but against the government as a whole. The political Apathy that has bought itself upon this nation is sickening, one should never just think they can ignore a problem forever eventually it will grown and eventually you will have to deal with it, it is better to deal with it now when it is relatively small than have to deal with it later when it is uncontrollable. one must fight their problems head on not ignore them.

PROUD INDEPENDENT

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are the people who disobeyed the government's order to turn over escaped slaves during the 1850s uncivilized? /devilsadvocate

It depends on whether you believe the Bible allows for slavery or not. If it does, then yes, I would say they were uncivilised and un-Christian. However, if it says that slavery is wrong, then it would fall under Acts 5:29 - "We ought to obey God rather then men."

This will take some explaining. What this verse from Acts is saying, is not that you should only obey God's laws, and none of man's, but that if they contradict - for instance (this is purely hypothetical), if the government told you to murder someone. Or told you that you must renounce your faith in him - you should not do it. However, you should be prepared to suffer the conquences. The Bible is clear that it never condones revolution, ever.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I'm not even go to address the second half of your post, as it makes almost no sense whatsoever.

He is attacking the idea that Christians should always obey their government by mentioning how morality should dictate that they should engage in Civil Disobedience instead of comply with immoral activities of certain governments. Aka the example of Christian Abolitionists disobeying the Fugitive Slave Act and instead helping runaway slaves escape into Canada or Christians in Nazi Germany working to hide Jews from the government.

Ah. Observe my last post.

[Wikkiwallana]

Obama didn't take your guns, he doesn't want your guns.
The president can't repeal an ammendment.

Taxes are lower than they've ever been.

You don't understand what any of those words mean.

We're convinced he's a chat bot. As Trotskylvania said, he's too much of a caricature to be a real person.

I'm convinced he's just very young, and has more passion than knowledge.

[Nova Nacio]

Just send them some shoes and moonshine and they will be ok.

This. Anyone on the right who tries to ignore this gift, otherwise - let's kill their asses (man\, woman, child, or otherwise) and embrace their genocide for the sake of a brighter tomorrow, IMHO...

[Prussia-Steinbach]

We're convinced he's a chat bot. As Trotskylvania said, he's too much of a caricature to be a real person.

I'm convinced he's just very young, and has more passion than knowledge.

A very young bot?

Yeah, I've notified the mods that he is probably underage...

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Treason gentlemen! Bare-faced treason!

Of course, once again, the stupidity of mankind rears it's ugly head for all to see....