Real Rape Victims Don't Get Pregnant

[Silent Majority]

The Republican party seems to be very good at shooting it's self in the foot.

[Ashmoria]

Really? Huckabee said "we need more legitimate rape?"

Care to source that? It wasn't in your quote.

Jeez, lots of things to criticize Huckabee over without making shit up that ain't there.

He didn't say that.

What he did say was that sometimes some good can come from rape, mainly the children born from it who can grow up to be extraordinary people.
Which is true, but that doesn't mean the government can feel free to control my vagina, especially after I was raped.

if a woman wants to have the baby, if she wants to keep the baby and raise it to be the good person that its father wasnt, thats her choice eh?

but forcing a woman to have a baby conceived from rape is to ignore her pain, her free choice, her self. its so seldom that these pro-lifers even refer to the woman involved when discussing not having a rape exception that it makes me wonder if they know there is a living human being associated with that uterus.

[Poorisolation]

Romney repudiated him, ( I'm on my phone otherwise I would post a link). in a senate election in jersey, after the primary when it became clear the incumbant torricelli was going to tried, he bowed out and was replaced on the ballot by lautenberg. I wonder if the republicans can do the same

yes mitt has made yet another flipflop.

he said today that he supports the exceptions of incest, rape and the life of the mother. in the primary debates he said he would sign a bill that would outlaw all abortions. he said to mike huckabee that he loves the idea of a personhood ammendment.

what a surprise, eh?

Well of course, I thought his usual tactic of having a record of him handing over "active responsibility" the day before making any controversial decisions would work as well for this new job he is applying for as it did for Bain and the Winter Olympics. Why bother flip flopping when everyone knows you are Macavity?

[Mail Jeevas]

if a woman wants to have the baby, if she wants to keep the baby and raise it to be the good person that its father wasnt, thats her choice eh?

but forcing a woman to have a baby conceived from rape is to ignore her pain, her free choice, her self. its so seldom that these pro-lifers even refer to the woman involved when discussing not having a rape exception that it makes me wonder if they know there is a living human being associated with that uterus.

Oooh, but remember according to the GOP, corporations can have rights, fetuses can have rights, but women can not (but her uterus can house something with rights!).

I don't remember which comedian said this, but it was really apt and that is how I feel the GOP feels about females.

[Farnhamia]

if a woman wants to have the baby, if she wants to keep the baby and raise it to be the good person that its father wasnt, thats her choice eh?

but forcing a woman to have a baby conceived from rape is to ignore her pain, her free choice, her self. its so seldom that these pro-lifers even refer to the woman involved when discussing not having a rape exception that it makes me wonder if they know there is a living human being associated with that uterus.

Oooh, but remember according to the GOP, corporations can have rights, fetuses can have rights, but women can not (but her uterus can house something with rights!).

I don't remember which comedian said this, but it was really apt and that is how I feel the GOP feels about females.

Oh, we gets rights, it's just that we have to give them up if we get pregnant. It's the motherly thing to do.

[Nulono]

St. Louis, Mo.–McCaskill for Missouri 2012 released the following statement from Sen. Claire McCaskill after Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.”

Seriously? What an idiot.

I don't think he misunderstands the emotional trauma rape victims go through. It seems pretty clear what he doesn't understand is basic biology.

[Ashmoria]

if a woman wants to have the baby, if she wants to keep the baby and raise it to be the good person that its father wasnt, thats her choice eh?

but forcing a woman to have a baby conceived from rape is to ignore her pain, her free choice, her self. its so seldom that these pro-lifers even refer to the woman involved when discussing not having a rape exception that it makes me wonder if they know there is a living human being associated with that uterus.

Oooh, but remember according to the GOP, corporations can have rights, fetuses can have rights, but women can not (but her uterus can house something with rights!).

I don't remember which comedian said this, but it was really apt and that is how I feel the GOP feels about females.

thats why they want small government--small enough to climb up into your vagina and take a picture.

[Khadgar]

You know, I thought the War on Women was pathetic hyperbole and I was somewhat embarrassed by it. Now I think they didn't phrase it strongly enough.

[Mail Jeevas]

Oh, we gets rights, it's just that we have to give them up if we get pregnant. It's the motherly thing to do.

Nope -- remember, some of 'em want to take away our right to vote too! (And somehow female Republicans are okay with this and support this idea?)

thats why they want small government--small enough to climb up into your vagina and take a picture.

That... sounds about right *snorts*

[Northern Dominus]

You know, I thought the War on Women was pathetic hyperbole and I was somewhat embarrassed by it. Now I think they didn't phrase it strongly enough.

You know you're onto something.

"Mass Molestation" perhaps?

[Telesha]

You know, I thought the War on Women was pathetic hyperbole and I was somewhat embarrassed by it. Now I think they didn't phrase it strongly enough.

You know you're onto something.

"Mass Molestation" perhaps?

Too Legit to Quit?

[Poorisolation]

Oooh, but remember according to the GOP, corporations can have rights, fetuses can have rights, but women can not (but her uterus can house something with rights!).

I don't remember which comedian said this, but it was really apt and that is how I feel the GOP feels about females.

Oh, we gets rights, it's just that we have to give them up if we get pregnant. It's the motherly thing to do.

I do believe that some in the party plan on working on removing those too. It would be like they had read John Knox and took his work for a scientific treatise...well except for the fact that many of them object to science.

For their sight in ciuile regiment, is but blindnes: their strength, weaknes: their counsel, foolishenes: and judgement, phrenesie, if it be rightlie considered.

[Nulono]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

[Farnhamia]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

They don't want to end our suffering, either.

[Mail Jeevas]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

"Mainstream" is being overtaken and outspoken by the crazy nutjobs. If they want us to remember they're there, the "Mainstreamers" need to be hella more vocal and push back the nutjobs.

[Poorisolation]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

The problem is not whether they represent the exact views of the entire party membership but that they have come to dominate the electoral and policy forming machinery of the Republican Party.

[Farnhamia]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

"Mainstream" is being overtaken and outspoken by the crazy nutjobs. If they want us to remember they're there, the "Mainstreamers" need to be hella more vocal and push back the nutjobs.

They seem to be incapable of that. As the NY Times said today in an editorial on Congressman Akin ...

As several recent Republican primaries demonstrated, the party continues to nominate Tea Party candidates who create increasingly ludicrous definitions of “far right.” Ted Cruz, who won the Senate primary in Texas and is all but certain to be elected, favors the closure of the Departments of Energy, Commerce and Education, along with the Transportation Security Administration and, naturally, the I.R.S. He says he is very worried that the United Nations is trying to ban golf courses and paved roads.

Ted Yoho, who won a Congressional primary in northern Florida, wants to abolish the income tax and replace it with a sales tax, believes life begins at conception and considers gun ownership a “birthright.”

[Khadgar]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

I don't think anyone seriously suggesting the Republican party (GOP being either a sarcastic appellation or misnomer) is planning to remove women's right to vote. Yet. Still the party is supporting what can only be called religious extremism made law.

[Mail Jeevas]

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

I don't think anyone seriously suggesting the Republican party (GOP being either a sarcastic appellation or misnomer) is planning to remove women's right to vote. Yet. Still the party is supporting what can only be called religious extremism made law.

And that makes the Republicans exactly the same as Iran and the Taliban "/

Lemme not threadjack and get back to Akin's idiocy.
You'd think they'd make a knowing something about Science and Technology a requirement to get into the committee he was in while a Rep. ...I am proven wrong.

[Poorisolation]

I don't think anyone seriously suggesting the Republican party (GOP being either a sarcastic appellation or misnomer) is planning to remove women's right to vote. Yet. Still the party is supporting what can only be called religious extremism made law.

And that makes the Republicans exactly the same as Iran and the Taliban "/

Lemme not threadjack and get back to Akin's idiocy.
You'd think they'd make a knowing something about Science and Technology a requirement to get into the committee he was in while a Rep. ...I am proven wrong.

As far as I understand the system all appointments to House Committees are made on tenure not qualifications.

Still I really think he needs to name his doctors so people know not to go to them of obstetric advice.

[Inky Noodles]

yes mitt has made yet another flipflop.

he said today that he supports the exceptions of incest, rape and the life of the mother. in the primary debates he said he would sign a bill that would outlaw all abortions. he said to mike huckabee that he loves the idea of a personhood ammendment.

what a surprise, eh?

Yeah, huh?

G.O.P. Approves Strict Anti-Abortion Language in Party Platform
By MICHAEL COOPER
Even as the Republican establishment continued to call for Representative Todd Akin of Missouri to drop out of his Senate race because of his comments on rape and abortion, Republicans approved platform language on Tuesday calling for a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion with no explicit exceptions for cases of rape or incest.

The anti-abortion plank, approved by the Republican platform committee Tuesday morning in Tampa, Fla., was similar to the planks Republicans have included in their recent party platforms, which also called for a constitutional ban on abortions. The full convention is set to vote on the party’s platform on Monday.

While Republican officials stressed that the plank did not go into granular details, saying that they were better left to the states, the language of the plank seems to leave little room for exceptions to the abortion ban. It states that “the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.”

“Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed,” said the draft platform language approved Tuesday, which was first reported by CNN. “We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

The timing of the approval of the Republican anti-abortion plank was awkward for Mitt Romney, who has denounced Mr. Akin’s comments about rape and abortion and who has said that he supports exceptions to allow abortions in cases of rape. And it comes as his selection of his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, was already drawing scrutiny for his support for a more absolute ban on abortions, even in cases of rape or incest.

But Mr. Romney would hardly be the first Republican nominee at odds with his party’s more absolute opposition to abortion. Just four years ago, the Republican Party adopted a platform with a similar plank seeking an unconditional ban on abortion, even though its nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, had urged the party in the past to allow certain exceptions. George W. Bush also supported outlawing abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the pregnant woman was in danger.

After this year’s abortion plank language was approved with little debate, the chairman of the platform committee, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, praised the committee for “affirming our respect for human life” and for doing so expeditiously.

That's the same Governor of Virginia who was embarrassed earlier this year by the vaginal sonogram requirement his legislature passed.

A lot of the state supported it, as a Virginian, I supported it.

[Mail Jeevas]

As far as I understand the system all appointments to House Committees are made on tenure not qualifications.

Still I really think he needs to name his doctors so people know not to go to them of obstetric advice.

They are made by tenure (I am a PoliSci student, surprisingly enough) but there's no reason why someone who has tenure can't also know what the heck they're supposed to be reviewing policy about (or even basic HS biology). Or have someone on staff who can inform them before they make unintentional intentional gaffes like this. I'm just... really irked by how the country is run sometimes.

His doctor was obviously only knowledgeable about the biology of ducks. (not the best article but it proves the point)

[Farnhamia]

Yeah, huh?


That's the same Governor of Virginia who was embarrassed earlier this year by the vaginal sonogram requirement his legislature passed.

A lot of the state supported it, as a Virginian, I supported it.

No doubt it will never, ever be an issue for you, so why not. Damned whiny women, always complaining about something.

[Northern Dominus]

You know you're onto something.

"Mass Molestation" perhaps?

Too Legit to Quit?

Um....no.

I think it's important to remember not to take state nutjobs and claim they represent the whole party. Mainstream GOP members don't want to end women's suffrage.

Uh, are you sure about that?

In 2011 the House passed a bill that redefined rape.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... e-abortion

They also proposed to cut $78 Million from WIC a program designed to assist low-income breastfeeding mothers.
http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=12856

Then there was Roy Blunt, another neo-conservative politician from Missouri, who proposed an amendment to the Patient Protection and Affordable Heathcare act to prioritize religion over women's heath and access to birth control.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... l-mandate/

And most recently, Republicans came out in force against the Violence against Women Act.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/us/po ... wanted=all

Then there's been the assaults at the state level.
Multiple states have attempted or have already passed mandates forcing women to have transvaginal ultrasounds, listen to fetal heartbeats, or to be forced to read junk science linking abortions to cervical cancer in addition to placing strict restrictions on abortions that, if not in violation of roe v wade are dangerously close.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opini ... .html?_r=1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/0 ... 58185.html

Then of course there's the flat-out abuse and slut shaming.

For example Arizona made it ok for employers to pry into the personal lives of employees when they use company healthcare policies to obtain birth control
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/us/ar ... erage.html

Then of course there's every-bodies favorite Union-Busting uterus-violating governor, Scott Walker, who repealed legislation that allowed victims of workplace discrimination, such as women not being paid at the same rates for the same duties, to address the grievances in court.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... women.html

And of course who could forget the standout story this year, the Big Pink Monster cutting off donations to Planned Parenthood because their director at the time was a confirmed neo-conservative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... in/252405/
http://www.wwl.com/pages/12872531.php?c ... d=10426456

So no, the Republicans haven't come right out of the gate and said they want to take away the right to vote away from women.

They've merely indicated that they don't want them to have access to have birth control, don't want them to be seen as equals to men in the workplace, don't think that women should receive any aid for being victimized by violent crime, and that they don't know what to do with their own reproductive systems and need help there too.

So yes, Aken was one voice, but he's hardly an outlier in the GOP's assault on women.

[The Oan Isles]

During the act of sexual intercourse - whether compliant or otherwise - bodily fluids such as semen which contain sperm and which are transfered to the ova will subsequently create a baby. So there's no such thing as "Real Rape Victims Don't Get Pregnant"! BTW: it's not a machenism political entities should use!