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Postby Freelanderness » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
I don't know about that, when a democrat does something stupid their knee jerk response is to throw the guy under the bus and distance themselves from the whole thing.

Hey, look!

G.O.P. Trying to Oust Akin From Race for Rape Remarks
<snippy articley article>

The rest is here.

Aww how cute. They're trying to pretend that they don't support similar opinions, even though Paul Ryan coauthored a bill that used the term "forcible rape".


Avenio wrote:You know, this whole issue highlights a rather interesting facet of American politics; the GOP, as a central apparatus for the party, seems to have very little control over what candidates say and do.

Up here in Canada, the political parties tightly control what their MPs and candidates say or do - particularly during elections, but also during the non-election years - for fear that it would generate a gaffe or derail the 'narrative' it puts out about itself. Though all the parties do this, the Tories are particularly infamous for their dictatorial party control, largely because they have the most to lose if someone opens their mouth and says the wrong thing; the Tory majority entirely depends on being able to convince the public that they're not the foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives they once were, and are responsible, centrist stewards of government. The actual foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives within the party are given a very tight leash, and those who do say things they're not supposed to face the wrath of Harper.

The GOP, by contrast, seems to be beset with internal squabbles, and seems incapable of first formulating a 'narrative' and then sticking to it; it seems every week or so a new Republican says something controversial and the spotlight veers off of Romney and his platform. More dangerously, the party politburo seems incapable of silencing those distractions effectively, and, indeed, as people have pointed out in the thread, can't even keep internal quarrels about such things within closed doors. One would think that a similar policy as Harper's towards towing the party line would be in order for the GOP, lest they spend the next couple of months constantly putting out brushfire controversies, but they seem either unwilling or unable to do so.

I'm not sure if this is a pure political difference between Canada and the US with regards to party politics or something more systemic and worrying with regards to the GOP's stability, but it should be worrying to the GOP in either case, as history shows from any number of different circumstances that a party and/or campaign that can't keep on message has a bleak future ahead of them when election day come around.

Do you remember Vic Toew's "child pornography" comment about internet control? That's probably one of the biggest gaffes we've had in a few years.
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It was more in disbelief that these are the men running my country.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:08 pm

Telesha wrote:I think it has more to do with the present GOP than anything else. They've always been the party that moved in lock-step, or at least could when the Democrats couldn't. It was a major source of their power in government. In recent years, though, with the rise of the Tea Party they have more and more people like Akin going off, doing their own thing, and...well...putting their foot in it.


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Postby AETEN II » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:10 pm

Avenio wrote:You know, this whole issue highlights a rather interesting facet of American politics; the GOP, as a central apparatus for the party, seems to have very little control over what candidates say and do.

Up here in Canada, the political parties tightly control what their MPs and candidates say or do - particularly during elections, but also during the non-election years - for fear that it would generate a gaffe or derail the 'narrative' it puts out about itself. Though all the parties do this, the Tories are particularly infamous for their dictatorial party control, largely because they have the most to lose if someone opens their mouth and says the wrong thing; the Tory majority entirely depends on being able to convince the public that they're not the foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives they once were, and are responsible, centrist stewards of government. The actual foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives within the party are given a very tight leash, and those who do say things they're not supposed to face the wrath of Harper.

The GOP, by contrast, seems to be beset with internal squabbles, and seems incapable of first formulating a 'narrative' and then sticking to it; it seems every week or so a new Republican says something controversial and the spotlight veers off of Romney and his platform. More dangerously, the party politburo seems incapable of silencing those distractions effectively, and, indeed, as people have pointed out in the thread, can't even keep internal quarrels about such things within closed doors. One would think that a similar policy as Harper's towards towing the party line would be in order for the GOP, lest they spend the next couple of months constantly putting out brushfire controversies, but they seem either unwilling or unable to do so.

I'm not sure if this is a pure political difference between Canada and the US with regards to party politics or something more systemic and worrying with regards to the GOP's stability, but it should be worrying to the GOP in either case, as history shows from any number of different circumstances that a party and/or campaign that can't keep on message has a bleak future ahead of them when election day come around.

We have a lot of infighting. One of the historical American things to do to pass time is either bitch about something or make a gaffe.
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Postby Avenio » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:10 pm

Freelanderness wrote:Do you remember Vic Toew's "child pornography" comment about internet control? That's probably one of the biggest gaffes we've had in a few years.


Oh yes, and the more recent example of some backbencher Tory from Ontario making comments to the press about wanting to leave the UN and stop providing international aid, but in both cases the Tory apparatchiks were immediately in the fray minimizing the comments and the controversy as much as possible - nobody else in the party stepped up to agree with him, and he was forced to retract what he said at lightning speed. If it were to happen amongst the GOP, I can imagine he'd have a number of defenders within the party vocalize support, and any attempts at diffusing the situation would be grossly hampered.

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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:28 am

The Calldari State wrote:
Todd Akin said women who are victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant because their bodies have a way to “shut that whole thing down.”


So getting raped gives you superhuman control of your body?

Please tell me he was making some sort of joke that went over everybody's head, I refuse to believe that people this stupid actually exist.


They're the GOP mainstream. People who advocate Todd Akin's views are appointed by Republicans to judgeships, used by Republican candidates for fundraisers, nominated to Republican candidacies for the US Senate, picked by Republican Presidential candidates as their running mates and - this is the kicker - picked to write the national Republican Party's platform.

So, not only do people that stupid - on this issue, at least - exist, they are the Republican Party of today.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:50 am

Khadgar wrote:Oh, he's in a close race too. Well it was a close race.


He's still in the lead, as of the most poll taken after his remarks were aired. I knew you were becoming more Republican, Missouri, but.....Todd Akin? Really?

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Weird thing is, Akin was in the lead (still is, at least for now: see above). Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) isn't exactly popular, and virtually every poll showed her struggling for election to a second term (McCaskill won her first term in the 2006 Democratic wave). Akin didn't need to shake up the race - he only needed to shut up, and coast to victory on the unpopularity of the incumbent, but couldn't pass up the chance to preach his views.

Alien Space Bats wrote:This is, of course, just another example of how Republican thinking is no longer grounded in reality, but rather in ideological necessity.

If you start from the premise that abortion is bad, you have to consider the possibility of a rape victim wanting to get an abortion. Since extremism is now the rule withing the GOP rather than the exception, the only ideologically proper response to this situation is to come up with some justification for why a rape victim should have to bear the rapist's baby.

Ultimately, this ideological necessity forces people into various highly uncomfortable positions: There is no such thing as rape (what people call rape is merely Surprise Sex With Strangers™ (in which consent is conferred through situational factors, such as provocative dress or poor life-style decisions involving one's choice in parking spaces); rape exists, but Real Rape™ does not produce babies; or Real Rape™ does produce babies, but these blessed children are a beautiful life-changing gift from God, presented in a sort of "broken" way that only a lifetime of pious reflection can help us truly understand.

If it were just abortion and rape, it would be bad enough. But it's everything: Oil pipelines are good for caribou; global climate change can't be man-made, because only God can change the world; only tax cuts for the rich improve the economy; stimulus spending is only good when a Republican President is in the White House; if your income falls and your expenses don't, then you're spending more money; real world data has no relevance when it comes to discussing economics; and it's not racism to believe that African-Americans don't know the value or importance of work, but it is racism to call such sentiments examples of racist ideation. I could go on and on and on and on, but what would be the point?

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel, only less satisfying.


^^This.

And yet, the Party which pushes all of these fantasy-world propositions holds a majority of the House of Representatives and a majority of State-level legislatures and continues to be a real chance (for now, anyway) at winning a majority of votes cast this year.

America, you've become a laughingstock.

The De Danann Nation wrote: :palm: Ah no.This man is a disgrace to Republicans everywhere.Why couldn't he be a Democrat,it would suit him better.


Because there are pro-life Democrats, and there are pro-choice Democrats, but - outside a few Dixiecrat holdouts - there aren't any Democrats who are this fucking stupid.

Also, H.R.3, the third bill taken up by the Republican House of Representatives in 2011, attempted to redefine rape as requiring the use of force (as opposed to just the threat of it, or other forms of coercion such as supervisors threatening to fire subordinates unless they put out). It passed 251-175.

So no, Todd Akin fits in quite well with the Republican Party of 2012. Deal with it.

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Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:What is even more scary is that this asshole is a member of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. Wow. I mean really...some one needs to trout slap the wanker.


The Republicans have almost weaponized the Peter Principle. For example, Michele Bwcawkmann is a member of the Intelligence Committee.


You'd think that a position on the Intelligence Committee would require...well, intelligence. And Michele Bachmann is proof against the "intelligent design" theory all on her own...for no intelligent Creator would risk the creation of such as her.

Oh, wait - this is politics. Nevermind.

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And yet, if you were in Missouri, you'd still probably vote for him on the "lesser of two evils" principle.

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Ashmoria wrote:its early days. i expect ms mccaskill to hammer him on this from now to election day but its quite possible for the people of MS to decide that it isnt as important as replacing the democrat.


"the people of MO" surely. MS is Mississippi.


Heh. Even the people of MS rejected Akin's lines of reasoning when called upon to amend their Constitution in 2010.

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So Akin's a nutjob and a liar too. He'll fit right in with the Congressional Republican Party.

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Norstal wrote:Man, to think the Democrats recalled Wiener for showing his erection on the internet. The GOP better recall this guy for doing something far worse.

Weiner resigned, he wasn't recalled.


The Democratic Party abandoned Weiner, and pushed him to resign. There. Satisfied?

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The Reasonable wrote:What's worse is that the majority of Republicans, who do NOT think like this, don't stand up to their own party getting hijacked by far-right demagogues.

That little incident with Tosh pales in comparison to the amount of sheer malice and stupidity shown here. And, Shellby, laughing's good for you- especially when you're going through a difficult and traumatic time as you have in the past few months.

I would love to see sane Republicans take back their Party, but I'm not going to hold my breath.


Partly because a whole lot of moderate-to-liberal Republicans (such as yourself) have bailed, I suspect. The teahadists are now a majority of the GOP, which is Nightmare Fuel enough for a lifetime.
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:20 am

Didn't we all know already that Republicans hated women and don't know anything about biology?
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:55 am

Ethel mermania wrote:What is legitimate rape? Which leads to the question what is illegitimate rape? Is the pre rape paperwork not correctly filled out? Did the rape authorization board not sanction the event? Is there a special fine we impose on the rapist for not being "legitimate' in his raping ?

I dont know about stepping down, but he really should not run for re-election.

he is running for the senate for the first time. he just got the nomination...last week?

why should he stop running? his legislative position was endorsed by EVERY REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE including paul ryan who co-sponsored/co-wrote the bill that came from his ignorant view of women--a legislative position that neither man has repudiated since the error of mr akins thinking was revealed to him.
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Postby Rhodesiah » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:03 am

Not sure if it was linked before, but here's a rather chilling message to Mr. Todd Akin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/todd-akin-rape_b_1812930.html
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Postby The divided » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:07 am

not sure if this has been posted


"Pregnant Woman Relieved To Learn Her Rape Was Illegitimate"

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregna ... lle,29258/

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:09 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:What is legitimate rape? Which leads to the question what is illegitimate rape? Is the pre rape paperwork not correctly filled out? Did the rape authorization board not sanction the event? Is there a special fine we impose on the rapist for not being "legitimate' in his raping ?

I dont know about stepping down, but he really should not run for re-election.

he is running for the senate for the first time. he just got the nomination...last week?

why should he stop running? his legislative position was endorsed by EVERY REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE including paul ryan who co-sponsored/co-wrote the bill that came from his ignorant view of women--a legislative position that neither man has repudiated since the error of mr akins thinking was revealed to him.

The GOP is just worried because Akin slipped up and let people know just how little they think of women and how they are trying to use rape to cut social programs. Here's an editorial from today's New York Times:

New Frontiers of Extremism

Republicans are frantically trying to get Representative Todd Akin to drop out of the United States Senate race in Missouri after his remark about abortion and rape, but not because it was offensive and ignorant. They’re afraid he might lose and cost them a chance at a Senate majority next year. He would surely be replaced by a Republican who sounds more reasonable but holds similarly extreme views on abortion, immigration, gay rights and the role of government because those are the kinds of candidates the party nominates these days in state after state.

Like many Republicans, including the vice presidential candidate, Paul Ryan, Mr. Akin opposes abortion even when a woman has been raped. But, in an interview that was aired on Sunday, Mr. Akin went further and decided to explain his position by saying that pregnancy rarely results from rape because “if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

His comments betray more than a remarkable unfamiliarity with the human reproductive system. They expose a widely held belief among many fierce abortion opponents that a rape exception will be abused by women whose rapes were not “legitimate.” This came up last year, for example, when the Indiana House was debating a stringent abortion restriction and Republicans objected to a rape exception. State Representative Eric Turner said the exception was a “giant loophole” that could be abused by a woman who falsely claimed she had been raped.

The principal difference between Mr. Akin and most other Republican candidates is that they would be more decorous in inventing reasons to strip women of their abortion rights. One of the two candidates Mr. Akin defeated in the Republican primary last week supported the overturn of Roe v. Wade; the other supported a constitutional amendment saying life begins at conception.

All three positions are outside the mainstream of American opinion, but they are pretty much in the dead center of Republican thinking. Mr. Ryan has said he doesn’t believe in a rape exception when outlawing abortion, and he worked with Mr. Akin in the House in trying to narrow the definition of rape so Medicaid would pay for fewer abortions of poor women. Mitt Romney says he supports a rape exception, but many of the politicians he has invited to speak at next week’s Republican convention disagree with him.

As several recent Republican primaries demonstrated, the party continues to nominate Tea Party candidates who create increasingly ludicrous definitions of “far right.” Ted Cruz, who won the Senate primary in Texas and is all but certain to be elected, favors the closure of the Departments of Energy, Commerce and Education, along with the Transportation Security Administration and, naturally, the I.R.S. He says he is very worried that the United Nations is trying to ban golf courses and paved roads.

Ted Yoho, who won a Congressional primary in northern Florida, wants to abolish the income tax and replace it with a sales tax, believes life begins at conception and considers gun ownership a “birthright.”

The Republicans pressuring Mr. Akin to leave the race didn’t seem to care when he said he doubted that Medicare was constitutional or warned that same-sex marriage would destroy civilization. If the party wanted to end these kinds of embarrassing moments, it could return to the days when it nominated mainstream candidates.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:17 am

Rhodesiah wrote:Not sure if it was linked before, but here's a rather chilling message to Mr. Todd Akin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/todd-akin-rape_b_1812930.html
Pretty much this when anybody tries to defend Akin and when somebody demands to know why Akin, ethically, should step down.

Again he won't because, well look at the past two years and the neo-conservative war on women's rights and heath in various states and at the federal level, never-mind the media blitzkrieg courtesy of the usual propaganda suspects.

Romney and Ryan want a campaign about issues? Here's a big one then; their party is in favor of rape, a brutal heinous sadistic act that is unconsionable in any form to most of society. If we are to hold our elected officials to that standard then it's their burden to explain why they aren't in favor of rape by endorsing legislation after legislation that damages women's rights and not coming out and DEMANDING that Akien step down on moral and ethical grounds, not sit by because "we might lose the seat".
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:21 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:he is running for the senate for the first time. he just got the nomination...last week?

why should he stop running? his legislative position was endorsed by EVERY REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE including paul ryan who co-sponsored/co-wrote the bill that came from his ignorant view of women--a legislative position that neither man has repudiated since the error of mr akins thinking was revealed to him.

The GOP is just worried because Akin slipped up and let people know just how little they think of women and how they are trying to use rape to cut social programs. Here's an editorial from today's New York Times:

New Frontiers of Extremism

Republicans are frantically trying to get Representative Todd Akin to drop out of the United States Senate race in Missouri after his remark about abortion and rape, but not because it was offensive and ignorant. They’re afraid he might lose and cost them a chance at a Senate majority next year. He would surely be replaced by a Republican who sounds more reasonable but holds similarly extreme views on abortion, immigration, gay rights and the role of government because those are the kinds of candidates the party nominates these days in state after state.

Like many Republicans, including the vice presidential candidate, Paul Ryan, Mr. Akin opposes abortion even when a woman has been raped. But, in an interview that was aired on Sunday, Mr. Akin went further and decided to explain his position by saying that pregnancy rarely results from rape because “if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

His comments betray more than a remarkable unfamiliarity with the human reproductive system. They expose a widely held belief among many fierce abortion opponents that a rape exception will be abused by women whose rapes were not “legitimate.” This came up last year, for example, when the Indiana House was debating a stringent abortion restriction and Republicans objected to a rape exception. State Representative Eric Turner said the exception was a “giant loophole” that could be abused by a woman who falsely claimed she had been raped.

The principal difference between Mr. Akin and most other Republican candidates is that they would be more decorous in inventing reasons to strip women of their abortion rights. One of the two candidates Mr. Akin defeated in the Republican primary last week supported the overturn of Roe v. Wade; the other supported a constitutional amendment saying life begins at conception.

All three positions are outside the mainstream of American opinion, but they are pretty much in the dead center of Republican thinking. Mr. Ryan has said he doesn’t believe in a rape exception when outlawing abortion, and he worked with Mr. Akin in the House in trying to narrow the definition of rape so Medicaid would pay for fewer abortions of poor women. Mitt Romney says he supports a rape exception, but many of the politicians he has invited to speak at next week’s Republican convention disagree with him.

As several recent Republican primaries demonstrated, the party continues to nominate Tea Party candidates who create increasingly ludicrous definitions of “far right.” Ted Cruz, who won the Senate primary in Texas and is all but certain to be elected, favors the closure of the Departments of Energy, Commerce and Education, along with the Transportation Security Administration and, naturally, the I.R.S. He says he is very worried that the United Nations is trying to ban golf courses and paved roads.

Ted Yoho, who won a Congressional primary in northern Florida, wants to abolish the income tax and replace it with a sales tax, believes life begins at conception and considers gun ownership a “birthright.”

The Republicans pressuring Mr. Akin to leave the race didn’t seem to care when he said he doubted that Medicare was constitutional or warned that same-sex marriage would destroy civilization. If the party wanted to end these kinds of embarrassing moments, it could return to the days when it nominated mainstream candidates.


the other thing that people dont keep in mind is that even if "their" republican candidate repudiates the idea of forcing a rape victim to produce the child of her rapist, even if she repudiates the ryan medicare plan--like heather wilson R-NM does--THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR THEIR HORRIFYING BILLS that include all the policy items that they dont agree with. they wont make move 1 to get them taken out of the bills first.

only then there will be total republican control of congress and the white house so these bills will become law.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:43 am

oh look rep steve king from iowa does todd akins one better...

Rep. Steve King, one of the most staunchly conservative members of the House, was one of the few Republicans who did not strongly condemn Rep. Todd Akin Monday for his remarks regarding pregnancy and rape. King also signaled why — he might agree with parts of Akin’s assertion.

King told an Iowa reporter he’s never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... y-rape.php
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Postby Sane Outcasts » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:44 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The GOP is just worried because Akin slipped up and let people know just how little they think of women and how they are trying to use rape to cut social programs. Here's an editorial from today's New York Times:



the other thing that people dont keep in mind is that even if "their" republican candidate repudiates the idea of forcing a rape victim to produce the child of her rapist, even if she repudiates the ryan medicare plan--like heather wilson R-NM does--THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR THEIR HORRIFYING BILLS that include all the policy items that they dont agree with. they wont make move 1 to get them taken out of the bills first.

only then there will be total republican control of congress and the white house so these bills will become law.

It's been a consistent plank in the Republican platform that there should be a Constitutional ban on abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. This election is no different, with the stance approved in committee today.

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Republicans drafting their party's official policy platform on Tuesday ratified a call for a Constitutional ban on abortion that makes no exceptions for rape or incest.

The vote to endorse the party's long-standing opposition to abortion and support for a "human life amendment" took place at a meeting of the GOP's official platform committee in Tampa, the site of next week's Republican National Convention.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:47 am

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Ashmoria wrote:
the other thing that people dont keep in mind is that even if "their" republican candidate repudiates the idea of forcing a rape victim to produce the child of her rapist, even if she repudiates the ryan medicare plan--like heather wilson R-NM does--THEY WILL STILL VOTE FOR THEIR HORRIFYING BILLS that include all the policy items that they dont agree with. they wont make move 1 to get them taken out of the bills first.

only then there will be total republican control of congress and the white house so these bills will become law.

It's been a consistent plank in the Republican platform that there should be a Constitutional ban on abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. This election is no different, with the stance approved in committee today.

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Republicans drafting their party's official policy platform on Tuesday ratified a call for a Constitutional ban on abortion that makes no exceptions for rape or incest.

The vote to endorse the party's long-standing opposition to abortion and support for a "human life amendment" took place at a meeting of the GOP's official platform committee in Tampa, the site of next week's Republican National Convention.

exactly.

no matter how reasonable "your" republican seems he will vote for these bills to become law.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:38 am

Well, it looks like we still get to kick Todd Akin around ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/po ... ad.html?hp

Akin Ad Signals Intent to Stay in Senate Race, Defying G.O.P.

WASHINGTON – Representative Todd Akin, the Missouri Republican fighting to save his Senate candidacy from an onslaught from his own party, released an advertisement Tuesday asking voters to forgive him for saying that “legitimate rape” does not lead to pregnancy.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:40 am

Farnhamia wrote:Well, it looks like we still get to kick Todd Akin around ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/po ... ad.html?hp

Akin Ad Signals Intent to Stay in Senate Race, Defying G.O.P.

WASHINGTON – Representative Todd Akin, the Missouri Republican fighting to save his Senate candidacy from an onslaught from his own party, released an advertisement Tuesday asking voters to forgive him for saying that “legitimate rape” does not lead to pregnancy.


How bad does it have to be for your own party telling you "you dun goof'd"?

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Postby Telesha » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:44 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, it looks like we still get to kick Todd Akin around ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/po ... ad.html?hp



How bad does it have to be for your own party telling you "you dun goof'd"?


If it weren't for the fact that the Akin/McCaskil race is vital to the GOP efforts to get a Senate majority we wouldn't be hearing nearly as much about this from them.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:48 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:What is legitimate rape? Which leads to the question what is illegitimate rape? Is the pre rape paperwork not correctly filled out? Did the rape authorization board not sanction the event? Is there a special fine we impose on the rapist for not being "legitimate' in his raping ?

I dont know about stepping down, but he really should not run for re-election.

he is running for the senate for the first time. he just got the nomination...last week?

why should he stop running? his legislative position was endorsed by EVERY REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE including paul ryan who co-sponsored/co-wrote the bill that came from his ignorant view of women--a legislative position that neither man has repudiated since the error of mr akins thinking was revealed to him.

Romney repudiated him, ( I'm on my phone otherwise I would post a link). in a senate election in jersey, after the primary when it became clear the incumbant torricelli was going to tried, he bowed out and was replaced on the ballot by lautenberg. I wonder if the republicans can do the same
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:51 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:he is running for the senate for the first time. he just got the nomination...last week?

why should he stop running? his legislative position was endorsed by EVERY REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE including paul ryan who co-sponsored/co-wrote the bill that came from his ignorant view of women--a legislative position that neither man has repudiated since the error of mr akins thinking was revealed to him.

Romney repudiated him, ( I'm on my phone otherwise I would post a link). in a senate election in jersey, after the primary when it became clear the incumbant torricelli was going to tried, he bowed out and was replaced on the ballot by lautenberg. I wonder if the republicans can do the same

Akin has to withdraw by 5:00 PM Central Time today. After that it becomes increasingly difficult for them to replace him.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:52 am

Someone should propose that we look back in the court records, and release any individuals jailed for rape if their victims got pregnant.
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Postby Homosexy » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:52 am

The divided wrote:not sure if this has been posted


"Pregnant Woman Relieved To Learn Her Rape Was Illegitimate"

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregna ... lle,29258/

Gah. Definitely made me cry.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:57 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Romney repudiated him, ( I'm on my phone otherwise I would post a link). in a senate election in jersey, after the primary when it became clear the incumbant torricelli was going to tried, he bowed out and was replaced on the ballot by lautenberg. I wonder if the republicans can do the same

Akin has to withdraw by 5:00 PM Central Time today. After that it becomes increasingly difficult for them to replace him.


I suspect they won't. They will say "Hey, don't blame us. We said he was a poopoo head and should quit but he wouldn't do it."

The Republicans want that seat and even though the guy is a pig; he seems to have a chance to put of a fight.

Kind of shows you the attitudes of the Riverbillies.

“Rape is an evil act,” the congressman says in the ad, speaking directly to the camera. “I used the wrong words in the wrong way, and for that I apologize.”


Seriously? It's bad and I apologize lacks sincerity. He would have had more credibility if he simply said "What I said was down right stupid and I am sorry."

I hope he stays in the race. This will be a measure of the people of that state.
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