Real Rape Victims Don't Get Pregnant

[Desperate Measures]

Things would be easier if all republicans were this stupid.

True but at least it would make a clearer line in the sand for me personally.

[Saiwania]

Growing government does grow jobs you idiot senator.

That does create jobs, but at the expense of taxpayers and private businesses, which are the backbone of capitalist economies. There is only so much wealth that can be redistributed or transferred towards the government, before there is no more left to take.

[Person012345]

The Republicans will simply pass a law classifying rape-induced pregnancies as "Immaculate Conceptions" which will of course be against the law to abort.

Well, I don't recall god asking for Mary's permission...

[Poorisolation]

And yet it's not going to matter.
He represents rural (see "river-billy") Missouri in his district. As long as he keeps harping boilerplate issues and playing to their latent racism in that neck of the woods doubtless he'll get reelected.

hes not up for re-election. he is running against claire mccaskill for the senate.

I think the point being made is even assuming* that he will likely be kept out of the Senate give him two years and he will pop back up in the House of Representatives.


*Please for the Love of God or Reason or Marshmallows someone tell me he is trailing so badly in the polls he is out of sight.

[The House of Petain]

hes not up for re-election. he is running against claire mccaskill for the senate.

I think the point being made is even assuming* that he will likely be kept out of the Senate give him two years and he will pop back up in the House of Representatives.


*Please for the Love of God or Reason or Marshmallows someone tell me he is trailing so badly in the polls he is out of sight.

In one poll he was up 11 points. However, I think it has gotten closer.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Being a politician, it is part of his job not to make those kinds of mistakes...

He is also human. Which should come with it's own 'Shit Happens' Sticker.

This isn't just a slip of the tongue like saying the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor or something. Anybody can make a slip of the tongue, but this is different. How often do people say a whole sentence by mistake? He said exactly what he intended to say at the time, and it's only after the fact that he realized it wasn't a good idea. The fact that he EVER wanted to say that in public is inexcusable. It's not something that would ever come out of any reasonable person's mouth.

[Ashmoria]

I think the point being made is even assuming* that he will likely be kept out of the Senate give him two years and he will pop back up in the House of Representatives.


*Please for the Love of God or Reason or Marshmallows someone tell me he is trailing so badly in the polls he is out of sight.

In one poll he was up 11 points. However, I think it has gotten closer.

its early days. i expect ms mccaskill to hammer him on this from now to election day but its quite possible for the people of MS to decide that it isnt as important as replacing the democrat.

[Yes Im Biop]

He is also human. Which should come with it's own 'Shit Happens' Sticker.

This isn't just a slip of the tongue like saying the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor or something. Anybody can make a slip of the tongue, but this is different. How often do people say a whole sentence by mistake? He said exactly what he intended to say at the time, and it's only after the fact that he realized it wasn't a good idea. The fact that he EVER wanted to say that in public is inexcusable. It's not something that would ever come out of any reasonable person's mouth.

Wait...Someone actually said that?

If you me? A Lot...

This is the current idiot right? Not the guy that argued about Satatory Rape? Sorry Was reading about 12 posts so i may be a bit confused. (Though now i want a Shit Happens sticker)

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Only rich people create jobs...

I don't know about that, but I do know that businesses that grow jobs are certainly preferable to government jobs. Competition is a great thing, and when you have a federal "business" that has nothing to compete against...they get lazy, inefficient, and stupid.

The basic idea is that in fact it is customers who create jobs. This is not a chicken and egg thing either. But the refrain we hear is that the rich create jobs which is false. Government also creates jobs but often those jobs are performing roles that have no intrinsic revenue generating capability in terms of making profits. Of course one can shoe horn some roles into that such as law enforcement and the usual result is either budget control by cost savings or applying laws to generate revenue, the later mostly demonstrated by speed cameras or sequestration of criminal proceedings.

[4years]

This is, of course, just another example of how Republican thinking is no longer grounded in reality, but rather in ideological necessity.

If you start from the premise that abortion is bad, you have to consider the possibility of a rape victim wanting to get an abortion. Since extremism is now the rule withing the GOP rather than the exception, the only ideologically proper response to this situation is to come up with some justification for why a rape victim should have to bear the rapist's baby.

Ultimately, this ideological necessity forces people into various highly uncomfortable positions: There is no such thing as rape (what people call rape is merely Surprise Sex With Strangers™ (in which consent is conferred through situational factors, such as provocative dress or poor life-style decisions involving one's choice in parking spaces); rape exists, but Real Rape™ does not produce babies; or Real Rape™ does produce babies, but these blessed children are a beautiful life-changing gift from God, presented in a sort of "broken" way that only a lifetime of pious reflection can help us truly understand.

If it were just abortion and rape, it would be bad enough. But it's everything: Oil pipelines are good for caribou; global climate change can't be man-made, because only God can change the world; only tax cuts for the rich improve the economy; stimulus spending is only good when a Republican President is in the White House; if your income falls and your expenses don't, then you're spending more money; real world data has no relevance when it comes to discussing economics; and it's not racism to believe that African-Americans don't know the value or importance of work, but it is racism to call such sentiments examples of racist ideation. I could go on and on and on and on, but what would be the point?

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel, only less satisfying.

I have given up trying to reason with anyone on the right. Now I just mock them.

[Alien Space Bats]

And then there are attitudes like this, which are increasingly becoming the norm in the GOP - a Party increasingly disconnected from reality:

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare... If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

- Rep. Todd Akin, Republican Candidate for the U.S. Senate (MO)

This is Akin trying to explain why there ought to be no rape exception when in comes to abortion: Because innocent girls never get pregnant from rape when it's Real Rape™ (as opposed to Surprise Sex With Strangers™, apparently), there doesn't need to be a rape exception, see?

I wonder in that means there ought to be a new rule: If the girl gets pregnant, the perp gets off - after all, if must not have been Real Rape™, because if it were, she'd have never been able to conceive, right?

The Republican Party has now officially degenerated from a legitimate political movement into a genuine societal affliction.

EDIT: To discuss Akin's comments further, go to the NSG thread on the subject.

You have to admit it's a rather interesting approach to "the bitch was asking for it" argument.

What is scary is there is enough people who subscribe to it. Well I should say they are ok with it if he gets elected.

<quoted from the NSG Presidential debate thread>

"Bitch was asking for it," indeed...

[Gauthier]

You have to admit it's a rather interesting approach to "the bitch was asking for it" argument.

What is scary is there is enough people who subscribe to it. Well I should say they are ok with it if he gets elected.

<quoted from the NSG Presidential debate thread>

"Bitch was asking for it," indeed...

It's like the Republican adapted the Witch Dunking Test to pregnancy.

"If she was really raped, she won't get pregnant because her body will shut it down. If she claimed to get pregnant from a rape, then it's proof that bitch was asking for it."

[Turan Federasyonu]

Is this congressman a Shariatist?

[Northern Dominus]

Is this congressman a Shariatist?

Shariaist, no.

Asshole masquerading as a human being? Definitely.

[Anzilluania]

Is this guy related to George Bush? I see a intelectual simularity.

[Gauthier]

Is this congressman a Shariatist?

No, but it does illustrate an innate hypocrisy. If you proposed a lot of what religious social conservatives believe in as an Islamic principle, those same people would suddenly howl in outrage and denounce the inhuman beliefs.

[Nazi Flower Power]

This isn't just a slip of the tongue like saying the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor or something. Anybody can make a slip of the tongue, but this is different. How often do people say a whole sentence by mistake? He said exactly what he intended to say at the time, and it's only after the fact that he realized it wasn't a good idea. The fact that he EVER wanted to say that in public is inexcusable. It's not something that would ever come out of any reasonable person's mouth.

Wait...Someone actually said that?

If you me? A Lot...

This is the current idiot right? Not the guy that argued about Satatory Rape? Sorry Was reading about 12 posts so i may be a bit confused. (Though now i want a Shit Happens sticker)

You sound pretty confused. This thread is about the guy who said rape victims don't get pregnant because their bodies shut that all down.

The Germans bombing Pearl Harbor was something that another politician actually said a while back, but presumably she meant the Japanese and her mouth just got a little ahead of her brain. Pearl Harbor wasn't the central subject of the speech, just a passing reference that came out wrong. I don't recall Germany getting particularly upset about it.

This rape thing is different, though, because it was central to the point he was making.

[Kingdom of the Polar Bear]

Typical Conservatives,

Trying to create a excuse to express there Pro-Life views. Rape is horrific and dehumanizing, If a woman is raped and she has kids, all she has to do is just look at those kids, and get reminded of the day she was violated. Rape victims are like Prisoners Of War, bolth experienced horrific and dehumanizing events and are forever scared by them.

I think that Todd Akin needs to get his facts straight.

[Saiwania]

It is rather cruel and insensitive for him to say that, but I want to point out that this isn't the first time a similar incident has occured.

In the 1990 Texas gubernatorial race, Clayton Williams (R) lost against Ann Richards for comparing rape to bad weather, saying "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it." He was initially ahead by 20 points but that pretty much derailed his campaign. I hope Todd Akin loses by a landslide, I can't condone what he said.

[Xeng He]

Unfortunately...

Yet he will still get votes from Republicans. Because it doesn't matter how thoroughly disgusting and terrible someone is; if they have an R next to their name, they get votes.

This is true.

[Zambeze]

Everyone should probably just start moving out of the US now. I mean, it was a nice little experiment and all, worked for a hundred years or so but it's probably time to call it quits. I hear Canada has lots of space.

Experiment? Despite the few crazies, I still prefer my little town in Texas over Canada. bleh

[Northern Dominus]

It is rather cruel and insensitive for him to say that, but I want to point out that this isn't the first time.

In the 1990 Texas gubernatorial race, Clayton Williams (R) lost against Ann Richards for comparing rape to bad weather, saying "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it." He was initially ahead by 20 points but that pretty much derailed his campaign. I hope Todd Akin loses by a landslide, I can't condone what he said.

Under normal circumstances this would have been the death-knell for Akins.

However in a world where the Republican's War on Women still has traction, where Santorum was a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination, this probably will be little more than a speedbump, especially since he has the backing of the biggest neo-con propaganda machine ever created.

[Kazinstan]

Your really trusting FOX news for something that could be used as some anti-abortion crap... infact your really trusting FOX news for well... ANYTHING?!

[Alien Space Bats]

Is this guy related to George Bush? I see a intelectual simularity.

No. George W. Bush was a freaking Marxist compared to this lot.

[Gauthier]

It is rather cruel and insensitive for him to say that, but I want to point out that this isn't the first time.

In the 1990 Texas gubernatorial race, Clayton Williams (R) lost against Ann Richards for comparing rape to bad weather, saying "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it." He was initially ahead by 20 points but that pretty much derailed his campaign. I hope Todd Akin loses by a landslide, I can't condone what he said.

Under normal circumstances this would have been the death-knell for Akins.

However in a world where the Republican's War on Women still has traction, where Santorum was a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination, this probably will be little more than a speedbump, especially since he has the backing of the biggest neo-con propaganda machine ever created.

Under normal circumstances, Akins wouldn't have even had to backtrack until the propaganda machine distracted the public with something shiny. But this is the tsunami of political disaster starting to rise in regards to women's health. First there was the Republican Jobs, Jobs Jobs, Jobortion drive. Then Darrell "Grand Theft Auto" Issa's All-Male Women's Health hearing. Then Rush Limblob calling Sandra Fluke a slut because she testified about a friend losing an ovary to refusal of contraceptive coverage and demanding a porn video from her. Then Foster Friess saying women could just hold an aspirin between their knees if they wanted contraception. At this point I would not be much surprised if a prominent Republican outright said that rape victims were sluts that were begging for it in the first place.

Other Republicans demanding Akin pull out like Scott Brown shows they know this too.